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white avenger

white avenger
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We have four super powered champions for justice: two Slayers (Buffy and Faith), and two ensouled vampires (Angel and Spike). Four admittedly awesome fighters. But how do they rank? This is my assessment, argue if you will, but justify your arguments.

1) Buffy- This goes without saying, simply because she is THE Chosen One. She is the standard by which all the others are measured.

2) Spike- (No, not Faith, and I'll explain why in a moment) Spike, aside from having killed two Slayers previously, one when he was little more than a fledgling, has the natural instincts of a warrior. He doesn't run from danger, he seeks it out, and the tougher his opponent, the better he likes it and the more dangerous he becomes. The perfect example of this is the demon he fought in "Get It Done." It was obviously more powerful than he was, but he beat it through sheer bulldog perseverance. One might say that when the gong gets toughest, Spike comes into his element.

3) Angel- I rate Angel as being below Spike and Buffy because both have beaten him at least once in the past. Granted, Angel beat Spike several ti mes before their final slug-it-out fighting over the Cup of Perpetual Torment, but I think that that was the first time Spike really put everything into if, finally overcoming the natural intimidation he'd been feeling from Angel for over a century. The match was close, but by Angel's own admission, when Spike wanted the prize the most, he kicked his grand sire's ass.

4) Faith- And why, you might ask, do I rank the second half of the Chosen Two on the bottom? In a single word, EXPERIENCE. Faith got almost all of her fighting experience during a single season, plus a brief guest shot the next year. Other than that, she was either in a coma or locked away in prison, where, admittedly, the inmates were tough, but nothing to compare with the residents of the hellmouth. Faith is, therefore, the least experienced fighter of the four. Granted, she beat Angel in Season 4 of his series, but she had to resort to trickery, in the form of vampire LSD to accomplish it.

In rating the four fighters above, I must qualify my beliefs by saying that no one beat the competition decisively, in fact I believe any two of the four would be fairly evenly matched. I do, however, stand by my findings and the evidence that supports them. Argue if you will, but please give a better reason for your beliefs thanjust "..everyone knows..."

In rating the fighting ability of the fouf characters
 
Wow, you have put some good arguments there 🙂 Pitty I haven't watched all the series of either Buffy or Angel and I'll probably embarrass myself here!

My ranking would be the same as yours: Buffy, Spike, Angel, Faith.

Buffy - she has proven it dozens of thousands of times. I think I admire her the most in those moments when the Evil guys try to manipulate her and convince her that she is doomed, weaker or that she has no chance of defeating them. It is in those moments she proves her inner strength, warrior instincts and capability to defeat her own fear and weaknesses. ( For exapmle in s5 Checkpoint. If we presume the Evil guys are the Watcher's Counsil. Or in s5 again Glory who too was so sure she'd win or in s7 the First Evil,etc, etc )

Spike - I'll try to be impartial here. It is difficult to choose between Spike and Angel because for seasons the show's trying to imply that Angel is the stronger one. But I think white avenger made a very good point. The greater the danger is, the stronger Spike gets. Something inside him pushes him to constantly challenge himself and put his heart and "soul" into each battle as if its the most important in his life. ( Probably because he's addicted to adrenaline and pain 😀 kidding ) This is what matters in a fight. To be able to devote yourself comepletely, no restraints, no doubts.

Angel might have the necessary strength and resourcefulness and knowledge of good and bad but he's not a player. In a battle one has to devote himself to it. Completely. All or nothing. You have to be a player, to be able to risk and be extremely brutal if needed. Angel isn't. He restrains himself too much.

Faith - well, she has a difficulty in controlling her anger and inner contradictions. Even Bruce Lee has said anger is your greatest weakness. lol or maybe he didn't but Yoda has certainly did! She isn't much of an analyzer like the other three and you have to be, you have to think constantly how to defeat your opponent. Well, yes maybe she just needs more experience.

Okay, now you've noticed I hate giving examples but if you think I'm wrong and really really insist I can give one for each of my reflections. 🙂
 
My ranking

1. Buffy
Angel couldn't beat her (Becoming P 1), Spike couldn't beat her (School Hard), Faith couldn't beat her (Revelations). Buffy can kick anyone's butt!

2. Spike
Killed two slayers, kicked Angel's butt. Bad boys are clearly better fighters.

3. Angel
He's pretty good, just not great.

4. Faith
Solid fighter, but nothing special.
 
1. Buffy (she's stomped on everyone!)

2. Angel (I know, gasp! But, Angel has had plenty of time and experience fighting. Plus, Spike does not fight with his head...Angel is a smarter fighter)

3. Spike (Need I explain)

4. Faith (She's too headstrong. That's just going or should have gotten her killed)
 
Spike Over Angel

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2. Angel (I know, gasp! But, Angel has had plenty of time and experience fighting. Plus, Spike does not fight with his head...Angel is a smarter fighter)


True, Angel has been around a lot longer than Spike, but it was established in "Fool For Love" that Angel prefers to run away from fights (which was why they were hiding in the mine). Angel by his own personal statements on more than a few occasions cared more about the intimidation and torture. Granted, he is the stronger of the two vampires, but strength alone doesn't always win the fight. Ask any 125 pound judo master, and he can not only answer the question, he can prove it to you quite effectively. (I know, I asked once!)

As for Spike "not fighting with his head" you're quite right. Spike fights with his heart, which is why he constantly keeps coming, even against far stronger opponents. We both agree that Buffy is the best fighter in either show, so consider this: When she fought Angelus (at least twice in the series) she beat him. The only reason he wasn't dusted on either occasion was her residual feelings for Angel. On the three times Buffy and Spike really fought, the fights were stopped before any real conclusion was reached, either by Joyce cracking Spike on the head with an axe just as he was about to feed in Buffy: by Buffy snatching the Ring of Amara off of Spike's finger, causing him to have to retreat: or when they "brought the house down" (the classic win/win situation).

Granted, Angel beat Spike on the several occasions that they fought, but if you study the scenes carefully, you will notice that each time they fought, the fight lasted longer. The last time they fought was over the Cup of Eternal Torment or whatever, and by Angel's own admission, Spike kicked his ass, because he wanted it more.

When Spike fought Illyria, she beat, not only him, but Angel as well. Later (and, granted, Illyria's powers were somewhat reduced by that time, but she was still a formidable fighter), Spike was able to learn her style and hold his own against her. In time, I believe he would have beaten her.

Spike is the kind of fighter who may be defeated in the beginning, but learns from his defeat, then applies what he has learned to the next encounter. Spike fights with his head, his heart, his soul, his entire being. That's why I rank him above Angel.
 
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