Redefinition...And 3 Heroes Shall Rise

[Sunnydale Siren]

For me, this episode wasn't about Angel slippin into the dark abyss.

It's M0RE about those mortals he left behind, steppin up to continue the fight against evil.

Wesley, Cordy and Gunn.

despite not having his superior abilities and strength.

 

[BillyidolwannaB]

Amazing episode. It has one of my favorite all time Angel scenes in it, the infamous locking the lawyers in the cellar scene 🙂

 

[The_Final_Cylon]

"And yet, somehow, I just can't seem to care"

Most awesome scene ever. I loved how they portrayed Lilah in this particular scene in the wine cellar. Seemed very real and human. Whereas you can just see that Lindsey has completely given up on his humanity as this point.

 

[Sunnydale Siren]

"And yet, somehow, I just can't seem to care"

Most awesome scene ever. I loved how they portrayed Lilah in this particular scene in the wine cellar. Seemed very real and human. Whereas you can just see that Lindsey has completely given up on his humanity as this point.

Lindsey basically was prepared to die, he showed no fear.

 

[LaneMeyer]

Not sure if it was this episode or the next (I think it might be the next), but there's a scene with Lindsey and Lilah walking through the halls of W&H and they're paranoid about how guilty they look that they lived while everyone else died. As Lindsey's walking, he's constantly giving other people in the office the 'dirty' eye and looks to be ready to take a swing at everyone. It's hilarious and was the start of me really liking his character.

 

[Tueuse de Vampires]

It's M0RE about those mortals he left behind, steppin up to continue the fight against evil.

Wesley, Cordy and Gunn.

despite not having his superior abilities and strength.

I sort of disagree. Non of them might have vampire strength (or slayer strength for that matter), but even when Angel is around they are the heart of the operation.
Who actually knows who to help? Cordelia, without her Angel could just go patrolling every night, and in a big city like LA that would be a bit of a lost cause.
Who figures out what they're dealing with? Wesley. He is very valuable as research guy, he is the one who actually knows the weaknesses of all the demons and can therefore help simplify the fighting.
Angel is the muscle of the operation, but ever since Gunn entered the scene, he is dispensable. Gunn is only human, but he can kick ass surprisingly well for that?
So who really needs Angel? His employers are the ones who hold the real power!

 

[saturn5]

REDEFINITION

The Good;
Angel goes Punisher, as extra-crispy Darla says "Who the hell was THAT?". Plus "We are the champions..."

The Bad;
Darla and Dru seem to spend an awful lot of time on fire, other vamps vaporise much quicker.

Best line:
Dru "Galloping, galloping still he'll come!"

Jeez, how did they get away with that?
The ears gag, funny but hooooo....!

Apocalypses: 4

Angel Cliches

Damsel in distress; 17

Inverting the Hollywood cliche;

In disguise; 7
DB get's his shirt off; not topless but some vest action
11

Cordy's tattoo;3

Cheap Angel;
5

Fang Gang in bondage:
Cordy: 5
Angel: 8
Wes: 3

Fang gang knocked out:
Cordy: 10
Angel: 12
Wes: 5
Doyle; 1
Gunn; 1

Kills: 4 vamps and 12 demons for Angel really racking them up. I demon for Gunn
Cordy: 5 vamps, 1½ demons
Angel; 22 vamps, 31 and 1/2 demons, 3 humans,
Doyle; 1 vamp
Wes; 1/2 a demon
Kate; 3 vamps
Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
Gunn; 5 vamps+ 2 demons.

Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 2
Angel: 2

Alternate Fang Gang:
Cordy: 2
Angel: 6

Characters killed:
30

Recurring characters killed;
4;

Total number of Angel Investigations: 1 or 3 depending on which way you look at it?
4, Angel, Cordy, Wes and Gunn

Angel Investigations shot:
Angel: 10

Packing heat;
Wes; 2
Doyle; 1
Angel; 1

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
Angel: 1;Buffy
Wes; 2; Virginia and the bleached blonde

Kinky dinky:
Gunn says Angel is 'going Commando', does he mean the action film or without underwear? Dru and Darla are looking for 'muscular slaves'. I know a few people who'd gladly volunteer. Once again Dru wants Angel to punish them for being naughty, she likes the idea of flogging but not of churches.

Captain Subtext;
Is the attraction between Lindsey and Darla real? Dru seems to like Lilah. Wes denies that his arse is 'pansy'.

Know the face, different character; 2

Parking garages;
5,

Guantanamo Bay;
Poor old Merl get waterboarded

Buffy characters on Angel; 13
Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, Master

Questions and observations;
Virginia's back, hooray! Wes intends to sing Cat Stevens, I'm guessing 'Morning has Broken' rather than 'Father and Son' or 'The First Cut is the Deepest'. In the end they pick Queen, good choice. Darla wonders why people always assume a man has to be involved in a woman's business? Angel smokes again.

Marks out of 10; 8/10