Restless

[Vigeous]

I had just watched the episode Restless a little while ago, and I couldn't help but notice something I had never seen before. It happens twice, but I'm not sure if it was my dvd player messing or something, which I highly doubt it wasn't. When Joyce is talking to Xander and she ends up talking without opening her mouth. I can't remember which line it was exactly, but I saw it happen, I had to rewind it like four times, but it still happened. It also happens with Willow and Tara in the ice cream truck with Xander. I think it happens to Willow, again, I can't remember the line exactly.

Did anybody else notice this?

 

[Blondie Bear]

Yes, there are a couple of times that lines are said without the character's mouths moving. Joss mentions, either in the interview or the commentary on the episode, that he did that to give it a more dreamlike quality.

 

[Bangelxx]

Yes I noticed this. I'm sure they meant to put that in. I mean, it is a dream isn't it?

 

[Joyce Summers]

Apparently it not only gave it that dreamlike quality but the lines we don't actually visually see them say are done that way, because it is something that the characters would never actually say in reality (Maybe Xander just wishes they would, haha). I mean in reality neither Willow, Tara or Joyce would openly (or at all, haha) invite Xander into bed/back of ice cream van for beaucoup de kinky so that's why we don't see them move their mouths to say their words.

 

[UlaGan]

Oh, I came across recently to another conclusion at some random Buffy-related site - that the reason Joyce and Tara talk with their mouth shut - because they're to-be-dead ones - and as it was mentioned - the dead do not need the mouth to speak to the living. They speak to our hearts.
*let me find that site for exact refference*

That's quite a point for me

 

[Joyce Summers]

Oh, I came across recently to another conclusion at some random Buffy-related site - that the reason Joyce and Tara talk with their mouth shut - because they're to-be-dead ones - and as it was mentioned - the dead do not need the mouth to speak to the living. They speak to our hearts.
*let me find that site for exact refference*

That's quite a point for me

Ooh I like that one! Sounds reasonable and make-sensey. Plus- very poetic ::nods with approval::.

 

[Vigeous]

Oh, I came across recently to another conclusion at some random Buffy-related site - that the reason Joyce and Tara talk with their mouth shut - because they're to-be-dead ones - and as it was mentioned - the dead do not need the mouth to speak to the living. They speak to our hearts.
*let me find that site for exact refference*

That's quite a point for me

That does make a lot of sense. So does the other explanation from Joyce Summers

 

[UlaGan]

So this is the site: http://www.soulfulspike.com/spikecentricity/RestlessReview-1.htm

And here's this statement:

I've read (sorry, I have no idea where "“ somewhere, some time ago) the suggestion that since Xander hears both Joyce and Tara speak without moving their mouths, and both Joyce and Tara are slated for death, this is meant to foreshadow their deaths. I can cook up an argument from there, that this is indeed how the dead speak to us "“ without mouths (because they do continue to speak to us, in our heads and hearts).

 

[Blondie Bear]

Wait, I don't remember Tara talking without her mouth moving. Which line was that?

 

[UlaGan]

Wait, I don't remember Tara talking without her mouth moving. Which line was that?

Willow Tara kissing scene with all that "I'm way better than you, brother" attitude.

 

[Blondie Bear]

Oh, I found it. She says "We just think you're really interesting" without moving her lips.

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

Which official person has made the foreshadowing claim?

I know there was a fair bit of foreshadowing in Buffy and Restless was the biggest single episode with it HOWEVER, I get bored with all the speculation from fans that things that happened had other meanings.

Joss REALLY likes to blow his own trumpet, stroke his ego(who doesn't) so if he hasn't said that something is foreshadowing, then it wasn't.

Is there anywhere with a conclusive list of all Joss preplanned foreshadowy stuff?

I mean, heck, I could say that when Buffy smiles in WTTH & The Harvest was foreshadowing of how she smiled at the end of Chosen!!

Ohh and anyone even thinks about saying thats a 'good theory' I will neg rep your next 10 posts!!!

 

[Joyce Summers]

Is there anywhere with a conclusive list of all Joss preplanned foreshadowy stuff?

He said once -whether it was in an interview or the commentary or a mixture of the two- that he had much less intentional foreshadowing than he realized he could have done. And lots of times people say thing about that episode and he's like 'I wish I had done that....damn'. One prominent example I remember him saying was the scene between Buffy and Joyce in Buffy's dream where Joyce is trapped in the wall. It had another meaning behind it but a fan suggested that it looked like Joyce was emtombed in the wall, foreshadowing her death. Joss's reply to that suggestion was essentially a '....::blink blink::...yes! that's exactly what I planned. Exactly. I'm so glad you spotted that.'

But I don't know whether there is a list of things foreshadowed and things....erm, not. But I think part of the fun is the speculation. At least it is for me anyway....haha

 

[Tranquillity]

I always thought it was because Xander, in his dreram was putting words into the other people's mouths - like Joyce and Tara coming on to him when in reality, that would never have happened