Revealing Eliza Dushku Dollhouse Interview

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This one's been around for about a week, and I think it's been mentioned here already, but there's such great insight into stuff I see people curious about, I thought I'd post the more relevant part of it to reference with ease.

by Scott Tobias February 27, 2009

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AVC: So was the concept his or yours? Where did the idea for Dollhouse come from?

ED: Ours? I'm not a creator, so I can't take that kind of extreme credit. But the show is sort of, Joss has said, biographical in the sense that it has so many parallels and identifications with my own life. And as we sat there talking about my career, my life as an actress, life in this business, life in this society today, and people having the Internet, and having so much control and wants and needs and sexuality and desires, the show sort of came up from him looking at my life and going, "You know, you really do wear so many different masks on a day-to-day basis." And that's fascinating to me, as a woman and as an actress, that we could put together a concept to showcase all of that. There's a lot going on!

AVC: The show has gone through its share of delays and retooling. What was going on with it before, and what was done to work it out?

ED: We shot the first pilot, Joss did, in sort of a noir style, and I think first and foremost,Fox didn't like that feel. So there were a few things they wanted different, and they wanted the story to unfold in different ways. It was a big deal for Fox, and they have a lot invested in the show, so absolutely their opinion matters. So we retooled it, and instead of doing a cut-and-paste job with the pilot and doing reshoots, Joss just sort of went, "I have an idea that I think that you're looking for, so let me just reshoot a new pilot."

AVC: It isn't like Joss is some new kid on the block, though. He has a lot of shows under his belt, and he's got this large cult following. Is it frustrating when you get that kind of feedback?

ED: Honestly, yes. I understand it from a business perspective, and from Fox's view, but at the same time, we've now done 13 episodes, and people have said that the show took off once they finally realized that Joss is best off left alone to do his thing. That happens around episode six"”six through 13 are just extraordinary. I love one, two, three, four, and five, but Joss' first script that he did after the pilot is number six, which is called "Man On The Street," and it is just unbelievable. From that point on, the world unfolds in Joss' way, with Joss' speed, and it's really remarkable.

AVC: Are you biting your nails in the interim? There are still a few more weeks before that episode airs.

ED: I think it's going to be important for Fox and for us to really push that message. Every show needs time to grow, and it's really difficult to set up a show, especially one with such a complicated, complex premise, that's so multi-dimensional. We wanted"”and Fox also wanted"”the first six episodes to be episodes people could pick up and understand what was going on even if they were late getting to the party, which I agree with. So the first six episodes are more self-contained. But once we sort of hit that place where the show takes off, I think it's going to be important to send some screener copies back out there to some of the reviewers that maybe didn't jump on board the first time around, or some of the diehard Joss fans that felt they were missing his voice in some of the first shows. Because his voice is back, and it's loud, and it's as exciting as ever once we get rolling.

AVC: How are you feeling about the network? Have you been given any assurances from them about allowing the show time to develop and cultivate its audience?

ED: I have a great relationship with the network. They've been straightforward and honest and communicative through this whole process. Every time something has happened with the show that was surprising or confusing, I've gotten phone calls where I heard it straight from them, and they gave me a why and a reason. And from everything they've told me, they believe in the show, they want the show to grow, they believe the show is a crossover that will grow past Joss's firm fan base. But it's a tricky time right now. It's a tricky time in all the entertainment business, and they absolutely just keep reiterating their investment and their confidence in Joss and myself and the show as a whole.

AVC: What do you take away from the first week's performance, and being on Friday nights in general?

ED: I think that people have to get used to Friday-night television, because it hasn't been around for some time. Which I find sort of strange myself. I truly am not just saying this because my show's on Friday nights, but I can just remember being in on Friday nights, because let's be honest, you can't go out and rage necessarily both nights every weekend. [Laughs.] I like to have one night on the weekend where I can just cuddle up at my house. But I think it's going to be interesting to see how that happens. And with our economy right now, and where we are in our country, and with Obama saying we need to scale back and cut down with this inordinate amount of consuming we do, we need to take responsibility, and I think this is a nice reason to give people to stay home on Friday nights. [Laughs.]

AVC: In a promotional interview you did for the show, you talked about how it would show a side of you that Joss has seen, but that maybe other people haven't. What did you mean by that?

ED: Well, when I moved to L.A. at 17, I had just come out of high school. I grew up and went to public school in Boston. I was a tomboy and had three big brothers. I had created an entire survival mechanism, just "Kill or be killed." Basically, protect yourself at all costs. I was definitely that tough tomboy. And as I got to know Joss, and every year that I sort of recovered from middle school, I have developed a lot of other colors. I have a lot of vulnerability, I think I have a pretty fair sense of humor at all times"”which you can see a little bit in Bring It On, a little bit in Jay And Silent Bob"”but really, I think Joss just wanted to give me an opportunity to showcase some of the other parts of my personality. There's a softie, there's a love in me. [Laughs.]

AVC: Echo seems like the opposite of Faith, at least when she's in the Dollhouse. She does have a certain curiosity, but she's also blank and subservient, for the time being, anyway. Was that a conscious decision for you and Joss? To have her so far removed from the character that you had established so strongly in the previous series?

ED: It's important for the formula of the show. It's important that in order to be imprinted to be anyone, she has to start as no one. She has to start as a blank slate.

AVC: Is it a challenge to convey that?

ED: It is, but it's also strangely peaceful, in a way, because you're just completely void of fear or inhibition or self-consciousness, and that's actually, especially in this day and age, kind of liberating, and a lovely place to escape to.

AVC: It's very childlike.

ED: I always channel the 6-year-old me when I'm doing my Echo. Well, at least for the first part of the season.

AVC: As Echo becomes more self-aware and perhaps less childlike, the dynamics of the show stand to change pretty dramatically. How do you pull that off without losing a grip on the basic idea of the show?

ED: I think that's what makes the show fascinating. I think the main question has been "How are people going to come back every week with a heroine that they don't recognize?" And I think that the point is that as Echo becomes self-aware and starts to evolve past this giant system that's objectified her, people will be rooting for her strength and her evolution as a woman and human being.

The rest is here (contains a spoiler)
 
Eliza said:
Especially for some of our diehard fans, take it through episodes six through 13, because that’s where I feel Joss got to take the reins back a little bit. And the show really gets pretty remarkable at that point. The first six episodes are sort of tailored and monitored for the network

Have i mentioned how much i hate networks?
 
Thanks n4h! Great link🙂

I can't but wonder how different the whole Jossverse would be if his shows had been on cable networks instead. The big networks just don't seem to work so well with him.

Can't wait for episode 6 though🙂
 
ED: I always channel the 6-year-old me when I'm doing my Echo. Well, at least for the first part of the season.

That happens around episode six"”six through 13 are just extraordinary. I love one, two, three, four, and five, but Joss' first script that he did after the pilot is number six, which is called "Man On The Street," and it is just unbelievable. From that point on, the world unfolds in Joss' way, with Joss' speed, and it's really remarkable.

Some interesting stuff there, thanks. 😀
 
In Joss's TV Guide interview last week, they asked him why he went back to Fox instead of going someplace like Sci-Fi channel or HBO, which interferes a lot less with its creators, and where Dollhouse would be a top-rated show. He said it was Eliza who had already made a deal with Fox to do a show, and then she came to him and asked him to develop it.

So that's why he's back at Fox... because it was already a done deal before he came on board. He wants to focus on movies and Internet-based stuff now.
 
In Joss's TV Guide interview last week, they asked him why he went back to Fox instead of going someplace like Sci-Fi channel or HBO, which interferes a lot less with its creators, and where Dollhouse would be a top-rated show. He said it was Eliza who had already made a deal with Fox to do a show, and then she came to him and asked him to develop it.

So that's why he's back at Fox... because it was already a done deal before he came on board. He wants to focus on movies and Internet-based stuff now.

Yeah, I read that too. He came up with the show by accident. I still can't help but wonder what would have happened, say if Angel or Firefly had been on Sci-fi or HBO?

Guess we'll never know.

I like that they are coming out and telling us though that Fox is why Joss's voice has been so muted thus far. It's reassuring.
 
So that's why he's back at Fox... because it was already a done deal before he came on board. He wants to focus on movies and Internet-based stuff now.

I refuse to believe that Joss would be done with series. Hasn't he always said that serials are the best way to tell a story? I'd agree 100%. Most people seem to value movies more but I don't think they can even be compared to series. Movies are short little blurbs that are done in a few hours!

So yeah, I'm not big into movies. 😉
 
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I would love to see the neo-noir version of the first episode.

There's a link at the IMDb forums that I don't feel like looking for, but it's supposed to be included as an extra on the season one DVD release.

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Have i mentioned how much i hate networks?

I still am immensely confused over all of this effing network bashing. Other than expressing concerns over the original pilot which was not was they were expecting, they've shown a huge amount of support. And they didn't even ASK Joss to scrap the pilot, he freakin' volunteered!
 
I still am immensely confused over all of this effing network bashing. Other than expressing concerns over the original pilot which was not was they were expecting, they've shown a huge amount of support. And they didn't even ASK Joss to scrap the pilot, he freakin' volunteered!

Its hardly "effing network bashing" lol. My point was in reference to many other posts indicating premium networks offering much more freedom to the writer. Maybe you think thats a bad thing and they need to be controlled, I dont know? But if you read that interview Eliza is clearly stating to stick around for episode 5/6 cause thats where things get good.... this she later tells us is where Joss originally wanted the story to start, not with 5 pilots.

I get that the 5 pilots is to try and develop a fanbase before everything takes a confusing angle, but other shows havn't need this, LOST for example got right in with the mess without introducing us every episode. Also, the fact that Dollhouse is losing viewers every week and not gaining them, indicates that these pilot "easy to get into" episodes are not working.

My point is networks often cloud creative minds and dont allow things to be as good as they could be.
 
Eliza said:
But the show is sort of biographical in the sense that it has so many parallels and identifications with my own life.
How? Does anyone know? I mean other than of course her being an actress and having to try to play different roles et al. How else is it biographical?
 
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Maybe Joss Whedon wiped her mind once and made her be a doll for him, the doll that thinks he is awesome - or maybe she's just blowing smoke like most actors do
Its hardly "effing network bashing" lol. My point was in reference to many other posts indicating premium networks offering much more freedom to the writer. Maybe you think thats a bad thing and they need to be controlled, I dont know? But if you read that interview Eliza is clearly stating to stick around for episode 5/6 cause thats where things get good.... this she later tells us is where Joss originally wanted the story to start, not with 5 pilots.

I get that the 5 pilots is to try and develop a fanbase before everything takes a confusing angle, but other shows havn't need this, LOST for example got right in with the mess without introducing us every episode. Also, the fact that Dollhouse is losing viewers every week and not gaining them, indicates that these pilot "easy to get into" episodes are not working.

My point is networks often cloud creative minds and dont allow things to be as good as they could be.

But the five pilot thing gives five weeks for people to check out the show before things get too confusing. Sure it's not working like they'd hoped but it was a good idea, and most shows generally drop for three or four weeks before they level out.

Personally I don't mind networks, and being on premium cable doesn't always equal quality anyway, lots of shows on HBO and Showtime have the occasional mediocre episode or creative missteps, just because they're allowed more language and sexuality I am not of the opinion that a show on cable is automatically going to be better. Also, if Dollhouse was on cable it would only have around 12/13 episodes per season, whereas if FOX renews it it will have 22. Then you could say less episodes mean the quality could be better...and generally, sure that's true, however Buffy and Angel worked excellently with 22 episode seasons and I thought all were enjoyable, even when they weren't as good as others in the season. (The only episode of Buffy I consider horrible is "Beer Bad" and I love every episode of Angel in seasons 2-5.) Plus with the way Dollhouse is set up I think longer seasons work better anyway.

So basically, I'm fine with network TV, aside from the fact there's a smaller chance your favorite show will be renewed. But Sci Fi, FX, USA, TNT, etc have all made cancellations after a show had one season so that's another reason I don't think good shows should automatically be on cable instead. And since FOX had the deal with Eliza I'm perfectly fine with Dollhouse being on that network.
 
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