Revenge?!

Kana

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I know this has discussed a lot, but how do you feel about scenarios of revenge?

Do you feel any of the characters were justified? Do you empathise with some more than others? How you think it changed the characters and do you think in the end they still felt justisfied in their revenge?

Think about characters like Wood, Willow, Holtz, Xander, Fred, Marcie and indeed any other character in the Verse, for example the Gypsies who cursed Angel.
 
I think Lindsey was entirely justified in taking revenge against Angel in You're Welcome. Entirely. Entirely, shirtlessly justified....
 
Kean
Kean
"Shirtlessly justified..." Pahahaha
Lyri
Lyri
LMFAO! LOVE IT! And, yes, I agree, lol
I think Lindsey was entirely justified in taking revenge against Angel in You're Welcome. Entirely. Entirely, shirtlessly justified....

And why do you think that is? Besides him looking great without shirt which I agree is virtually reason alone.
 
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Lindsey McDonald
I need another reason? :S Let me get back to you on that. :P
No one is justified. Because usually the way they avange themselves is worse than the crime. I'm someone who is against revenge and into foriveness. Buffy is the example of forgiveness and that's one of the many reasons to why I admire her.
 
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No one is justified. Because usually the way they avange themselves is worse than the crime. I'm someone who is against revenge and into foriveness. Buffy is the example of forgiveness and that's one of the many reasons to why I admire her.

I'd be inclined to agree. Do you think anyone had changed as a result of the quest for vegeance and who would you wager still feels justified in the vengeance?
 
Wood, Willow, Holtz, Xander, Fred, Marcie and indeed any other character in the Verse, for example the Gypsies who cursed Angel.
Without vengeance the drama of it would all be a bit boring. Even Sasha was getting pre-emptive revenge on Connor. In art & literature revenge is 100% acceptable.. in life its maybe 50%.
 
No one is justified. Because usually the way they avange themselves is worse than the crime. I'm someone who is against revenge and into foriveness. Buffy is the example of forgiveness and that's one of the many reasons to why I admire her.
Quoted for agreement. 🙂
 
Even though some part of me knows it's wrong (especially if people/characters get hurt), I enjoy revenge scenarios A LOT. If I'm siding with the person exacting revenge, my god is it satisfying to see them succeed. 😀 Diving into a big vat of sweet vengeance. Yum.

But it's still wrong and in most cases very petty. ITA with that. I just like it anyway. 😀
 
ahhhhh thats SOOO good. yep i like trek and kill bill. Revenge is a dish best served without any of the food touching... and also cold.
 
I think there are a lot of characters who wanted revenge and in a way I can see why for some of them even the ones I hate like Holtz well not hate but don't like him very much.

I feel like some characters were justified at times but ones like Marcie nope I don't see her as justified. I think Holtz was a bit justified and if you look at it from the standpoint eye for an eye he was right on track.

Now Principal Wood is another one I can't stand behind really and not because my favorite character is Spike it is because his mother was a slayer and she knew the risks of the life not that she really had a choice. He for some reason acts like if Spike didn't kill her another Vampire wouldn't.

So overall I get why some of the characters take revenge and want it so badly and sometimes it doesn't damage their characters to much.
 
I find it a little weird when people revenge creatures without souls. Like Holtz. Angel(us) was a vampire without a soul, and you can easily expect him to kill, no mercy. Of course he'd want a revenge. But feeling like killing the monster is a little.... obvious.
 
Hmmm.. I know it makes for compelling viewing, in terms of revenge, and there's something very satisfying about seeing characters who are screwing your favourite characters over get screwed over in turn. But in terms of it being morally acceptable, that's a grey area... I mean, Willow killing was seen as unacceptable, mostly because he was a human, personally my issues have less to do with that (but that's another discussion) and more to do with "Chasing him down, premeditating the killing, keeping him alive, torturing him, and ripping his skin off" part.

I don't know, I guess it varies... I can actually understand Wood- as someone said, his mother was a Slayer, as in killer-of-vampires. A vampire murders his mother, I can understand why he'd want to kill that vampire, if he got the chance. He knows what they're capable of, and what killers they are. And, y'know, Spike wasn't exactly all cuddles and blunt edges around Season 7, lest we forget- though I do agree that he had a soul, and so there is a line between Spike the purposeful-killer, and Spike the souled being manipulated by the First. Wood, however, once again, grew up with the "Vampires are evil and Spike killed my mother on purpose"- much like Angelus's actions tainted the Scooby Gang's reaction to ensouled Angel, I guess. It wasn't the finest motive in the world, and it wasn't the best time for it, but I can understand it.

And with the mention of Angelus... one piece of revenge I have no moral qualms about supporting wholeheartedly- Giles beating the crap out of Angelus with the aid of a Molotov cocktail, and a flaming baseball bat after he kills Jenny. Possibly because Passion is a wonderful episode, and breaks my heart, perhaps because he screws up my OTP, possibly because it is a genuinely kick-ass Giles moment (Bear in mind that Angelus is a legendary vampire who survived for centuries, and Giles is a human man in his late 40s, and Giles beats the crap out of him with a flaming baseball bat), possibly because the one thing that annoys me in mid-late Season 2 is that, until Jenny's death, Buffy can't bring herself to kill Angel, and the rest of the Scooby gang aren't trying to finish him off- OK, I can see Willow maybe being against it for Buffy's sake, but are we really supposed to buy that Giles thinks Buffy being sad about Angel dying is more important than the lives that are being lost as a result of leaving him to frolick about??? OK, sorry, rant over...

Anyway, yeah, that scene comes on, I am cheering Giles on, and at the same time, getting irritated that every time I watch it, he insists on pausing him beating to go for a swinging shot and give Angelus time to recover... "Noooo, you fool! 😡" So I suppose in some cases, yeah, I can definitely get behind the revenge. In real life, however, a lot more of a grey area.
 
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