Rewind Moments: A Hole in the World

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I thought I'd do this one more time for fun.

Rewind Moments are the bits you miss the first time you see the episode, but catch when you watch it again.

So here's mine:

1. I'm going to hope I'm spelling this correctly, but Fred's stuffed rabbit seems to be named Feigenbaum. I believe there's something in mathematics called Feigenbaum's constant that trys to make some kind of mathematical sense out of chaos.

Fred asks for that rabbit once when she is first going to LA, and once just before she dies. Both times she is slipping into chaos. Is this connected to the caveman vs astronauts thing (the primal and chaotic vs. the technological and ordered)? Is there a technological solution to Fred's dillema?

2. Wyrd Demon Hunter told me on the episode thread, Angel states clearly it was Lindsey that sent the amulet and the box to W&H.

There may be something in a spoiler for a future episode that says that, but it's not in A Hole in the world.

The closest thing to it is when Angel is talking to Spike and he says,


The way I figure it is Lindsey brought you back to this place so you'd become invested in it. He only made you corporeal again once you'd gotten used to it, attached to it.

At this point though, it's only a theory for Angel. That is why the statement begins "The way I figure it". Angel's theory may prove to be correct. I don't know. It will probably turn out to be one of those loose ends they never satisfactorily tie up.

3. In a similar vein, Jacklyn told me on another thread that a Hole in the World tells us Knox sent the sarcophagous.

This not entirely correct. Gunn says to Knox, "You did this. You did all this." Knox replies, "Technically that's not the case. I just played my part."

4. When Lorne descends down the stairwell singing "You are my sunshine", Fred joins in. Lorne reads her. Instantly Fred reacts. Was the infection triggered by Lorne's mystical connection to Fred when he read her?

5. Just a general observation. A Hole in the World is one of those special episodes that's better the second time you see it. Especially the final scene. Fred's death scene didn't really affect me the first time I saw it. The second time though, I saw and heard all the subtle stuff I missed the first time; the way Fred's head seems to fall of it's own volition onto Wesley's arm, the involuntary convulsions, and that final line...why didn't I hear it the first time?

Wesley, can't I stay?

What can I say? It choked me up.
 
I agree on the whole second time is better, it really sinks in...you see her death...differently. I think I cried more the second time I watched it...

And you pick up on little lines that seemed unimportant, but when you know what will happen, it's so much more meaningful and sad....
 
The second time is definitely better, but I don't have a VCR so I'll have to listen to your insights.
I have a question about the jet. Was it a Gulfsteam? I'm suprised that W&H don't have acess to anything supersonic. How long would the trip from L.A. to England (I forget the exact location) take by Concord? What about in a jet fighter? I know this isn't exactly a rewind moment, but I was hoping some tech savy people might help me . 🙂 If it trip was short enough there might have been a chance to get Fred to the Well and save her.
 
Hitome said:
I have a question about the jet. Was it a Gulfsteam? I'm suprised that W&H don't have access to anything supersonic. How long would the trip from L.A. to England (I forget the exact location) take by Concord? If the trip was short enough, there might have been a chance to get Fred to the Well and save her.

Apparently the trip to the Codswell, Cotswall, Cotwall, something like that (wherever that is) was ordinarily about 10 hours by jet, but Knox told them they could get there in 4, because Wolfram & Hart had really good jets.
 
I agree that Fred's death gets better and better after seeing it another time..Nicely done nerd4hire..
 
I just remembered something else about Feigenbaum the rabbit. Fred refers to him as "the master of chaos". I think it probably is a reference to the mathematician Feigenbaum who I assume is responsible for Feigenbaum's constant. There's that whole, making mathematical sense of chaos thing.
 
Subject: Feigenbaum's constant
Q10: What is Feigenbaum's constant?

A10: In a period doubling cascade, such as the logistic equation, consider the parameter values where period-doubling events occur (e.g. r[1]=3, r[2]=3.45, r[3]=3.54, r[4]=3.564...). Look at the ratio of distances between consecutive doubling parameter values; let delta[n] = (r[n+1]-r[n])/(r[n+2]-r[n+1]). Then the limit as n goes to infinity is Feigenbaum's (delta) constant.

Based on computations by F. Christiansen, P. Cvitanovic and H.H. Rugh, it has the value 4.6692016091029906718532038... Note: several books have published incorrect values starting 4.66920166...; the last repeated 6 is a typographical error.

The interpretation of the delta constant is as you approach chaos, each periodic region is smaller than the previous by a factor approaching 4.669...

Feigenbaum's constant is important because it is the same for any function or system that follows the period-doubling route to chaos and has a one-hump quadratic maximum. For cubic, quartic, etc. there are different Feigenbaum constants.

Feigenbaum's alpha constant is not as well known; it has the value 2.50290787509589282228390287272909. This constant is the scaling factor between x values at bifurcations. Feigenbaum says, "Asymptotically, the separation of adjacent elements of period-doubled attractors is reduced by a constant value [alpha] from one doubling to the next". If d[a] is the algebraic distance between nearest elements of the attractor cycle of period 2^a, then d[a]/d[a+1] converges to -alpha.

References:

K. Briggs, How to calculate the Feigenbaum constants on your PC, Aust. Math. Soc. Gazette 16 (1989), p. 89.
K. Briggs, A precise calculation of the Feigenbaum constants, Mathematics of Computation 57 (1991), pp. 435-439.
K. Briggs, G. R. W. Quispel and C. Thompson, Feigenvalues for Mandelsets, J. Phys. A 24 (1991), pp. 3363-3368.
F. Christiansen, P. Cvitanovic and H.H. Rugh, "The spectrum of the period-doubling operator in terms of cycles", J. Phys A 23, L713 (1990).
M. Feigenbaum, The Universal Metric Properties of Nonlinear Transformations, J. Stat. Phys 21 (1979), p. 69.
M. Feigenbaum, Universal Behaviour in Nonlinear Systems, Los Alamos Sci 1 (1980), pp. 1-4. Reprinted in Universality in Chaos, compiled by P. Cvitanovic.

source: some nerdy math site
 
So we do all this research on Feigenbaum, then the transcripts come out, and it turns out the rabbits name is Faganbom, or Fegenbauer, or some such other spelling. Won't that be a hoot.
 
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