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liked this episode, despite the final scene.: erm :

Those scenes with Lilah's ghost and Wesley were quite sad and bittersweet. It wasn't love, but he did care about her on some level.

well played by both actors, especially Stephanie Romanov.


Having Faith join Team Angel for this mission...:cheering:

Chick took a pretty bad beating from Ol Stonehenge, looking forward to Faith vs. Angelus!



is it just me, or did The Beast look like a MASSIVE doggie turd, after Angelus destroyed him?
 
I generally adored the episodes in season 4 with Angelus and Faith's struggle to redeem him like Angel did with her in season 1...i can watch Salvage just to see Faith fighting!!!Go Faith!!!

But i still wonder...what would have happened if Buffy came to L.A?what if BUffy faced Angelus again???that would be interesting but i have read that SMG was not available at the time!but Still Faith rocks!!!amazing performance by Eliza Dushku!
 
I generally adored the episodes in season 4 with Angelus and Faith's struggle to redeem him like Angel did with her in season 1...i can watch Salvage just to see Faith fighting!!!Go Faith!!!

But i still wonder...what would have happened if Buffy came to L.A?what if BUffy faced Angelus again???that would be interesting but i have read that SMG was not available at the time!but Still Faith rocks!!!amazing performance by Eliza Dushku!



In the end, Faith was the better choice storywise.

It gave her the chance to repay Angel for helping her the 1st season. Plus freed her up to join Buffy and the others for the final battle in Sunnydale.
 
I loved Lilah! I'm so sad that she died. This was a good episode, and I think it's terrible that Wesley thought there was a chance she could rise as a vampire, but I think it's better for him to kill her while she's really dead than as a vampire, because it would act like her. Wesley doesn't need that. I think that Faith was better suited to handle Angelus than Buffy, because she seemed to be more ready for stuff he said, and Buffy would have let it get to her.
 
Buffy has proved ready willing and able to kill Angelus. That was not what Wesley was interested in as he discussed with Faith in the car on the ride back. He wanted Angelus taken in, alive, and so did Faith. Wes knew that, that's why he called 'the other one.'
 
Buffy has proved ready willing and able to kill Angelus. That was not what Wesley was interested in as he discussed with Faith in the car on the ride back. He wanted Angelus taken in, alive, and so did Faith. Wes knew that, that's why he called 'the other one.'





you're right.


For this particular mission, Faith was better suited.


Seeing Angelus again would've bought back painful memories for Buffy. How her broke her heart, during season two of BVTS.

JM0
 
I liked the return of Faith. My favorite part though was when Angelus killed The Beast and his reaction.
 
SALVAGE

The Good;
Chant it with me boys and girls, FAITH-FAITH-FAITH-FAITH! My favourite episode of Angel is Orpheus, my favourite moment is at the end of 5X5 where Wes drops the knife in the alley but my favourite scene is where Wes has his conversation with the imaginary Lilah here, it's just stunning.

The Bad;
If you think there's anything wrong in this episode then I suggest you go to the doctor for some anti-crazy pills! Ok so the demon who wants Angelus to sign something for his spawn is woefully badly done.

Best line:
Faith; "Just like riding a biker" (oh she is SUCH a naughty girl!)

Jeez, how did they get away with that?
Connor; "I don't give a flying schluck!" (I had to rewind this to check this line). Awful watching Faith getting a terrible kicking from the Beast. But your heart just bleeds for Wesley having to decapitate Lilah's corpse, couldn't he have let Connor or Gunn do it?

Apocalypses: 5

Angel Cliches

Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
In disguise; 8

DB get's his shirt off; 12

Cheap Angel; 6

Fang Gang in bondage:
Cordy: 5
Angel: 13
Wes: 6
Gunn; 4
Lorne; 4
Fred; 2

Fang gang knocked out: CC passes out in the lobby
Cordy: 15
Angel: 16
Wes: 5
Doyle; 1
Gunn; 1
Lorne; 4
Groo; 1

Kills: 2 vamps for Faith, 1 for Connor
Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
Doyle; 1 vamp
Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
Kate; 3 vamps
Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
Groo; 1 demon
Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon, 5 zombies
Connor; 13 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 3
Angel: 3
Gunn; 1
Wes; 1

Alternate Fang Gang:
Cordy: 4
Angel: 10
Fred; 2
Wes; 1
Gunn; 1

Characters killed:
255

Recurring characters killed;
9;

Total number of Angel Investigations: Faith joins AI for a three episode arc, making this the biggest line-up ever (although of course CC is actually evil as indeed is Angel)
Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes, CC, Connor, Faith

Angel Investigations shot:
Angel: 12
Wes; 1
Wes; 7
Doyle; 1
Angel; 3
Gunn; 2

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: CC and The Beast get all kissy? I don't know if they Com-shuked though, I'm not even sure if The Beast has the equipment to so I'll put him down as a possible
Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor, 1 possible; The Beast
Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible Justine
Gunn; 1 Fred
Fred; 1 Gunn
Groo; 1Cordy

Kinky dinky:
Faith actually tells Wes he looks good. Gunn and Connor also like Faith, she comments it's a shame when Gunn says 'I hold my own'. Faith tells Angelus to 'Give us a kiss' just as she did to Buffy in Graduation Day Pt1. Faith is also described as 'smokin hot'. Angelus says that he knew Faith would enjoy a threesome and suggests he, she and the Beast 'get it on'. Interestingly she says 'Sure!'. Connor has a weakness for Slayers just like his old man. Angelus seems disappointed that he's facing Faith and not Buffy.

Captain Subtext;
Personally I think Faith-in-prison would be a good series in itself.

Know the face, different character; 4

Parking garages;
6,

Guantanamo Bay;

Buffy characters on Angel; 16
Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony

What the fanficcers thought;
Faith being released from prison to help out either the Sunnydale scoobies or Angel Investigations is such a popular theme in fanfic it borders on the cliche.

Questions and observations;
Everyone else notice that the knife the assasin tries to use to kill Faith is the same as those used by The Bringers in Buffy? Can anyone else explain to me what Jasmine's plan is and how Angelus and The Beast fit into it? Can't Angelus read CC's scent at the warehouse or has she disguised it? Lilah talks of redemption, even after death is it too late for her? Of course Faith never met the real Angelus and Wes only met him for a little while under the effects of the drug in 'Eternity'. The term 'The Skinny' is used about Fred, I wonder if it was deliberate? Angelus calls Dawn, to judge from their conversation she and Angel get on well. Faith says that girls are always the Slayer because they're 'better'. We have the 'what do you do?' speech from Speed which was HUGE at the time. Faith's ingenuity of breaking the window with the chains to let in the sunlight is awesome. But you just know she'd have figured out some way to defeat Angelus, she's our girl.

Marks out of 10; 10/10 and the good just keeps coming!
 
Oh yeah, Faithy is back! 😀 FAITH-FAITH-FAITH-FAITH! Plus, Eliza looks way hotter than in S3 and S4.

It's so cool how she breaks out of jail. It's so easy and that shows how much she's a good girl now. The fight scene is awesome. I'm a big fan of slow-mo. And slow-mo Faith is even more awesome. I felt bad that she got beaten up, but as always, she knew how to survive.

The Evil Cordy and The Beast kissing was EWW. And it's good to see Faith leading the team and also kicking Connor's ass. My fav is in Orpheus, though.

And ummm, Weslah <3 🙂

10/10 no doubt.
 
I loved the Faith/Angelus arc in season 4. Her breakout of jail was so cool, and great that it was Wes who thought to get her. 😀
 
Wes and Faith as Watcher/Slayer finally is honestly one of my favorite events in the entire series.


They were like a dark badass version of Giles/Buffy.
 
like you said: "FAITH-FAITH-FAITH-FAITH". When she broke the safety glass to break out of the prison, I couldn't believe the epic moment I was living. Faith decides to break out of prison ONLY for Angel!It's touching!

All the Angelus-Faith episodes of season 4 awesome and they make season 4 worth it!
 
Faith and her interactions with Wesley were the best thing about season 4 in my opinion. Her confrontations with Angelus were also pretty good, but honestly I'm not a huge fan of AtS 4 Angelus - I think he comes across as too much of a wisecracking goof (an evil one, but still); he was more poetic and menacing on Buffy.
 
Faith and her interactions with Wesley were the best thing about season 4 in my opinion. Her confrontations with Angelus were also pretty good, but honestly I'm not a huge fan of AtS 4 Angelus - I think he comes across as too much of a wisecracking goof (an evil one, but still); he was more poetic and menacing on Buffy.

Angelus always became whatever he needed to be in order to inflict the most damage on his prey.

He played the Priest to drive Drusilla insane.

He played the Upperclassman to torment the housekeeper.

He played the abusive boyfriend to torment Buffy.

He played the illusive vampire to torture Baudelaire.

He played the demon to ruin Holtz.

He played the fool to kill the Beast.

This is Angelus. Doing whatever it takes to destroy a person is art to him.
 
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