School Shooting in Connecticut

I think this whole situation is terribly heartbreaking; my thoughts and prayers go out to all involved and/or near the tragedy.


As far as what measures should be taken to prevent things like this from happening again....lots. I think gun control is only one aspect that needs to be closely looked at; we also need to have serious discussions about our care for the mentally ill, domestic violence, school security protocol and the way the media reports these events.
 
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I think this whole situation is terribly heartbreaking; my thoughts and prayers go out to all involved and/or near the tragedy.


As far as what measures should be taken to prevent things like this from happening again....lots. I think gun control is only one aspect that needs to be closely looked at; we also need to have serious discussions about our care for the mentally ill, domestic violence, school security protocol and the way the media reports these events.
That's so true, I can't believe the media was interviewing 10 year old kids! That's beyond crazy.

The story's about how things went down today are completely different to the the story yesterday!
 
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I admit, I could have phrased myself better trying to get my point across. So to those getting offended by my lack of ability to word myself in a good manner in this instance I apologize.

What you might take as critism is more likely to be peoples way of trying to make sure things like this don't happen again. Yes, I known it's been said earlier in the thread but seems it can be said again. Or at least make the risk of it happening smaller. A tragedy affects us all in different ways but usually we all get more sensitive and get have a tendency to overreact or/and be protective. Not one person, or the ones on one "side", all of us.
 
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Moving away from gun control (which I honestly believe is as necessary as oxegen) I wanted to post something written on mental health issues in the States. This is by my friend Kita, who works in heath care and is pretty much an all-round spectacular human being. At the end of her post she asks people to lobby for better mental health care, I can't do that for her, but I'm hoping those of you here who can will read this and maybe pick up the phone.

On Mental Health Care.

A lot of people are talking about gun control today. And they should be. The problem is, without changing the basic infrastructure of our society's mental health care system, even the most stringent gun laws will not be able to stop this kind of violence.

I want to talk about that.

My husband and I both have Master's degrees in mental health. I work as a Speech Therapist. Before Maze became disabled, he worked in sales. Let me tell you why. After spending three years and over twenty thousand dollars on our advanced degrees, we were offered jobs in the field that paid an average of 18,500$ a year, with minimal or no benefits.

I took one of those jobs, because when I graduated we were newly married and didn't have a child yet. I worked 10 hours a day, and was physically attacked twice, once resulting in a broken foot. We were chronically understaffed, and turn over was rampant. This was a for profit agency. I left the field, went back to graduate school for Speech Therapy, and never looked back.

When Maze graduated, we knew he could not work for so little money. Despite glowing recommendations from all his supervisors and professors, he never took a job in the field he loved.

During his internship however, he worked for a year in emergency mental health care. This is the kind of place where the homeless guy you see mumbling to himself and peeing in garbage cans is sent. While Maze interned there, he worked with dozens of people who had zero access to any kind of health care, let alone mental health. They were given medications to stabilize all kinds of diagnoses, from major depression (he worked with multiple suicide attempt patients, all of whom had made seriously deadly attempts multiple times) to psychosis (one of his patients had plans and means to kill the President; the Secret Service actually brought this guy in, and told the head of Maze's department to 'lose him in the system' for a while). None of them had the ability or means to continue their meds once they were discharged. Emergency Mental Health is meant to be a bridge, but for most of these people, it went nowhere. Maze can recount at least four stories that ended in the patient's eventual death. One ended with a patient killing his family in another state.

But even if someone *has* the means, it doesn't guarantee access. Good mental health care can be difficult or impossible to find even in the best of circumstances. Years ago, my sister and her now ex-husband adopted a child from Poland. Their daughter had a traumatic past that makes me sick just to think about. They knew from the outset she would need a lot of help, and they had plenty of money to provide it. What they couldn't find were skilled practitioners. Most medical insurance doesn't cover intensive counseling, or inpatient care that is not for addiction. Relying on private pay clients is iffy, so many therapists opt to treat only "the worried well"- you and me, having a bad day. If they were to take on truly troubled families, the odds of getting paid are much lower. Inpatient facilities, which require a large, highly trained staff and a huge amount of malpractice insurance are few and far between. Their daughter went to at least 10 different therapists, and 5 different therapeutic schools during the five years she lived with them. All the schools closed. All of the therapists either stopped receiving needed additional funding from the state and so stopped practicing, or stopped being able to afford to practice for other reasons. Along the way, their daughter pushed my father down a flight of stairs, set fire to my sister's house, tried to kill my sister with a knife, and attempted suicide multiple times. She is currently in jail, for prostitution and drug dealing.

America is very fond of putting our mentally ill in jails. Jails are cheaper and easier to build than mental health care systems, and our culture loves to think we are tough on crime. And maybe we are, and maybe that's good. But the number of mentally ill inmates in our prison system has *quadrupled* in the last decade, and the criminal justice system is in no way adequately prepared to treat these people. About 20% of offenders are classified as mentally ill. It's easy to argue that anyone who commits a certain type of crime is 'crazy' - nobody shoots up a roomful of Kindergardeners if they're in their right mind. But what if we got to these people *before* they started shooting? What if this guy's mother had options *other* than arming herself with a handgun that would ultimately be used against her? What if some of the men and women currently imprisoned in America could have been productive members of society if they were provided the right kind of medication management, counseling, life strategies and skills? What if we have failed millions of people, simply because they have a kind of illness we are too proud, or too ashamed, to even talk about?

Without my anti-depressants, I would be dead. I am not ashamed to say that, any more than Maze would be ashamed to say that without his insulin, he would have been dead. But there is still a stigma attached to mental and emotional disabilities, still a sense of weakness or not trying hard enough. And there should not be. If someone is truly depressed, or has compulsive thoughts, or delusions, or paranoid fantasies, the only thing that will work for them is the highly skilled care of a medical practitioner. Full stop, the end. And if we do *not* provide access to this kind of care, the same way we do for other kinds of diseases, then we will continue to see a rise in both suicide and violence against others.

I say this as someone who has needed, and benefited from, quality mental health services and as someone who works in the field of health care. I say this as someone who works for the number one rated non-profit health care agency in the country- and whose top rated benefits currently include a mental health care option so ****ing LOUSY that I pay privately and out of pocket for every service we have ever required other than medication. That's right, I work for an agency that provides health insurance AND care, and even I can't get access to decent, timely, mental health services.

Our system is obviously and heinously broken. Now is not only the time to have this discussion. Now is the time to fix it: Contact your employer or insurance agency, tell them you want good mental health services as an option. Contact the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, ask them how you can help spread awareness or donate time or money. Contact Mental Health America and ask for the contact number of your local affiliate. Call your legislator, and tell them not to sacrifice Medicare/Medicaid, and the already limited mental health services they provide to the fiscal cliff. Donate to the Veterans Administration, so they can provide mental health care to our veterans, many of whom are still returning home with PTSD, head injuries, and addictions. Donate time, money, or blankets to your local mission, regardless of your (or their) religious affiliation- oftentimes, they are the only thing standing between a homeless, mentally ill individual and the streets. Talk about mental illness. Talk about treatment options for mental illness. Don't stop. Thank you.
 
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Just wanted to say again, I don't think everyone is attacking America over the issue, if this were any other country no one would use that argument.

One thing that really confuses me is people still saying that making them illegal will just mean people buy them illegally. Most of the illegal guns sold now, were bought legally and went into the illegal market after being stolen or sold on. So by having guns illegal you directly effect the amount of guns available in the illegal market.

I saw it mentioned on twitter that Australia banned guns in 1996, they'd had 18 mass shootings before that and after that none. I really think people saying it won't make a difference are ignoring facts just to rationalise keeping guns legal.

It does seem there's allot more call for a look at gun control after this shooting, then there was with the previous ones, probably cuz the children involved were younger, which makes the situation appear worse.

I also don't think it's disrespectful to discuss gun laws after what happened, I think it's anything but, nothing is more respectful then trying to understand a way to make sure it can't happen again.
 
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lol come on, this entire thread has been Bash America Day
Does it seem to anyone else that this thread, which was, I believe, started to express sorrow and shock over the loss of so many innocent young lives and the grief that their families must feel has degenerated into a political discussion?

Neither I nor anyone else who has not personally experienced something like this can have any true concept of what the families of those children must be feeling or the trauma that will affect the lives of all of the other students, the staff, and all of their families for literally decades to come. The bst that we can do is remember them in our prayers and thank our Maker, as selfish as it might seem, that it wasn't our own children. Believe what we might about guns, laws, murder, and the sick individuals who perpetrate these atrocities, that's our right. But let's remember, first and foremost, that lives were lost unnecessarily, at the hand of a demented man, and we may never know the true reason for his actions. Whatever action comes as a result of his actions, let's not lose track of the fact that here are thirty Christmas trees with gifts under them that will never be opened, because there are thirty children who SHOULD NOT be dead today.

Let's keep that in mind for now, stop trying to analyze events to which we don't have all the facts, and leave the gun control issues for another time.
 
Does it seem to anyone else that this thread, which was, I believe, started to express sorrow and shock over the loss of so many innocent young lives and the grief that their families must feel has degenerated into a political discussion?

Neither I nor anyone else who has not personally experienced something like this can have any true concept of what the families of those children must be feeling or the trauma that will affect the lives of all of the other students, the staff, and all of their families for literally decades to come. The bst that we can do is remember them in our prayers and thank our Maker, as selfish as it might seem, that it wasn't our own children. Believe what we might about guns, laws, murder, and the sick individuals who perpetrate these atrocities, that's our right. But let's remember, first and foremost, that lives were lost unnecessarily, at the hand of a demented man, and we may never know the true reason for his actions. Whatever action comes as a result of his actions, let's not lose track of the fact that here are thirty Christmas trees with gifts under them that will never be opened, because there are thirty children who SHOULD NOT be dead today.

Let's keep that in mind for now, stop trying to analyze events to which we don't have all the facts, and leave the gun control issues for another time.

I strongly disagree with that, the easy access the killer had to guns allowed this event to occur, you can say its all the killers fault, but the gun law has a part to play also. That's always the politicians line after the previous shooting, nows a time for grief not discussion of law. The time for the discussion was last week, or anytime before his mom legally bought the guns he used in the murders. While their legal the discussion should never stop!
 
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There was a thing on the news about security at the school. About a person having to ring a bell to be let in. But the 19 or 20 year old had a gun and shot his way in.
I didn't see the media interviews with 10 year old kids, what questions were asked?
The results were shown of the number of homicides in each country of the world, America had the most. That to me is woeful, it would be much better if America had the least homicides.
About the gun laws in America,
How many guns can a person legally have?
What is the most powerful gun a person is legally allowed to have (what distance can a kill shot be obtained?)
Of the repeating rifles,
What is the most number of shots per minute a gun can make?
 
There was a thing on the news about security at the school. About a person having to ring a bell to be let in. But the 19 or 20 year old had a gun and shot his way in.
I didn't see the media interviews with 10 year old kids, what questions were asked?
The results were shown of the number of homicides in each country of the world, America had the most. That to me is woeful, it would be much better if America had the least homicides.
About the gun laws in America,
How many guns can a person legally have?
What is the most powerful gun a person is legally allowed to have (what distance can a kill shot be obtained?)
Of the repeating rifles,
What is the most number of shots per minute a gun can make?

Yeah the original story was he was buzzed in by the school who recognised him, but it's now that he forced his way in.

They've also said they have evidence to explain a motive, but aren't releasing that yet.

They also confirmed the names if the children and school staff killed, confirming that all the children killed were either 6 or 7.

Other news stories (outside of the official police statement) said on of the teachers the youngest one, physically put herself between the gunman and her class before she was killed, and that the principal and guidance councillor confronted the shooter in the hall and were killed execution style.

I don't know the answer to any of the gun questions.
 
I just had a look at some of the gun control laws in the US, some of them are absolutely fr..... stupid, and some are farcicle.

A person who lives in said town cannot carry a firearm into a certain type of restricted zone (some schools have restrictions), that zone being 1000 feet. However a person from another state, authorised to carry a gun, can walk into the same school with a gun.
People under 18 years old cannot carry hand guns, but they can buy a gun privately and carry it, if they are clever enough.
The most powerful rifle I found that is available is an AR-15 up to 600 metres (547 yards? In Australia a metre is 3 inches longer than a yard.) And 800 shots per minute.

Just a thought here, what about the smoking laws? I wonder what sort of outcry there would be if a smoker was to say a cigarette is perfectly safe, should a person smoke it though.
 
It was nice to be at work and have a reprieve from all this. I know I'm gonna go back to watching the news but I'm trying to delay it.

There should never be a reason to build child sized coffins!
 
Honestly, it's sad, of course, but Americans kinda bring these things on themselves. No other developed country has to deal with as many shootings as the States, and yet the majority of people still seems to be against better gun control (as in: ban them mostly, like most other countries do). Just think about news stories like these the next time you insist on your 'right to bear arms'.

The NRA...does not equal America. Also, Canada's gun laws aren't that different from our own, they're probably a bit more strict but that doesn't mean that gun crime is nonexistent...however, they don't have nearly as many shootings there a year. It's the mentality in this country that needs to change. A criminal can still obtain a gun illegally if they want to. I am not pro-guns or anything, I personally have never used one and I don't plan on it, but I don't believe that guns are the only issue. However, there are people who do not believe in any type of gun regulation whatsoever and that is just plain stupid in my opinion. I don't believe that guns should be banned, completely, but why in the hell does someone NEED a semi-automatic weapon? Are they going to shoot an intruder with that, or a deer? I don't think so. I believe that people should be able to own guns, however to my knowledge one does not need to take any kind of psychological test to get a gun, and plus I'm pretty sure that the shooter in this incident stole his mother's guns.

So again I say...it's the mentality that needs to change. People love to hunt in Canada, a lot of people own guns there, so why don't they have as much gun violence as we do here in America? I don't agree with the "zero guns will fix the problem" or the "from my cold dead hands!!" mentality either. It just seems as if no one takes mental illness seriously, at all. I know that as a teacher my mom worked with a few students who seemed a little...off, and when she tried to tell their parents about it they got really offended and refused to listen. And ironically, my mom who complains about how devastating those cases are, did the same thing to me. My 4th grade teacher suggested I see a psychiatrist and my mom ignored her. When I brought up therapy about 4 years ago she was hesitant to take me and she didn't understand why I would need to see one.

Parents really don't want to believe that there is something wrong with their child and society just doesn't seem to take mental illnesses very seriously. But whatever we can all continue to blame the guns and we can go back and forth on the issue, blame violence on t.v./in movies and video games and media coverage and people will continue to maim and kill each other and we'll all continue to wonder what we're doing wrong.

Progress. Screw it.

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Tell me Americans, is your government doing anything to prevent those massacres? Federal or state? It's a pattern that keeps repeating itself, a shooting takes place, everybody is sorry for like two days tops, next month another shooting takes place ( average is 20/year ) and nothing changes.

Your society obviously has a problem with violence, is anything being done to solve that problem?



A friend of mine once said. I want to disagree with him but then I take a look at the raw data and it's like, I don't know anymore. What's the cause of all this violence?

I agree with your friend. I wish that I didn't but...he's right. That's kind of my point, why do people do these things? Sure, guns are easy to get, but what would compel someone to do something like this? People ignore that kid who seems emotionally disturbed and as soon as he does something horrific people are like, "oh yes he seemed troubled...but he was such a nice boy" and people try so hard to dissociate themselves from the "monster" who did this horrible act, and they call them evil and hope that they burn in hell...and then it happens again and again and again and eventually we're all monsters. No one wants to deal with why this happens. We all wait for it to happen, we cry, we curse and we get over it. Then it happens again and we do the same thing until we all become numb and shrug when we hear about another massacre. I don't want to become desensitized to violence, I want people to listen, to question, and to demand answers. Why would someone do this? Because they're evil?

No. That is simplifying something that is so incredibly complex.
 
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I just had a look at some of the gun control laws in the US, some of them are absolutely fr..... stupid, and some are farcicle.

A person who lives in said town cannot carry a firearm into a certain type of restricted zone (some schools have restrictions), that zone being 1000 feet. However a person from another state, authorised to carry a gun, can walk into the same school with a gun.
People under 18 years old cannot carry hand guns, but they can buy a gun privately and carry it, if they are clever enough.
The most powerful rifle I found that is available is an AR-15 up to 600 metres (547 yards? In Australia a metre is 3 inches longer than a yard.) And 800 shots per minute.

Just a thought here, what about the smoking laws? I wonder what sort of outcry there would be if a smoker was to say a cigarette is perfectly safe, should a person smoke it though.

Just to clear up some misconceptions:

1)A person who lives in said town cannot carry a firearm into a certain type of restricted zone (some schools have restrictions), that zone being 1000 feet. However a person from another state, authorized to carry a gun, can walk into the same school with a gun.

In point of fact, with the exception of law enforcement personnel, NO ONE can legally carry a firearm onto a public school campus, the same as any public building, such as courthouses, post offices and the like. Private schools have their own individual policies, but they, too, almost exclusively ban firearms.


2)People under 18 years old cannot carry hand guns, but they can buy a gun privately and carry it, if they are clever enough.

No one under the age of 18 may legally buy a handgun or obtain a permit to carry one. Obviously, anyone with enough money can get anything that they desire, but they are in violation of state and federal law when they do so and are subject to arrest.


3)The most powerful rifle I found that is available is an AR-15 up to 600 metres (547 yards? In Australia a metre is 3 inches longer than a yard.) And 800 shots per minute.

The AR-15 is by no means the most powerful firearm that a private citizen can own. In fact, there are many rifles more powerful than the .223, ranging all the way up to calibers intended to hunt super heavy big game, such as elephants. Obviously, there atr no wild elephants in the United States, but there are sportsmen here who travel to places like Africa and India on hunting trips. Beyond those few hunters, almost all of the super heavy calibers belong to law enforcement or security agencies, or are in museums

The range stated simply means that a particular round will travel an estimated distance, emphasis on the word "estimated," and usually doubled the actual range for legal reasons. Bu the time that a round has traveled that far, it has lost so much velocity that it won't penetrate a heavy shirt, and there is no degree of accuracy whatsoever,

And as for the outlandish rate of fire, a semiautomatic rifle can in theory be rated at whatever number of rounds per minute you might care to use, but it is, in fact, limited to the number of rounds that its magazine will hold, which is usually a maximum of 30. There are some magazines available capable of holding more than 30 rounds, but they are almost universally so prone to jamming that they are totally useless except in movies.
 
Can I just please says it is NOT easy to go out and get a gun illegally here. Geez, folks. Are illegal guns a problem - yes! But that doesn't mean that our government and law enforcement personnel aren't out there busting their butts every day trying to fix that problem. Or that I can just go down to the corner store and buy an illegal gun. Just because the US is portrayed a certain way by the media does not mean it is an accurate picture. And those who advocate stricter gun control (including me) are not in the minority. This is a heavily debated issue here - not everyone here owns a gun or goes around saying, "I have a right to bear arms!" all day long. Please stop acting like gun control is never debated here, that lawmakers aren't always at any given time trying to get tougher controls passed. That because of this SUDDENLY the US is talking about it. We ARE always talking about it.

PLEASE stop basing your judgements on your preconceived notions that are just downright false.

Thank you Kean for posting that article. I work in a hospital and one of our execs was discussing (after a guy took someone hostage in our city with a hammer) that they feel the problem is our behavioral health system is so overloaded that people are out on the streets who shouldn't be. I know our emergency room gets filled with BH cases because no one else will take them because other facilities are so full. If you want to look for a root to this problem, I think that has more to do with it: people who need help are not getting it.
 
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Thank you Kean for posting that article. I work in a hospital and one of our execs was discussing (after a guy took someone hostage in our city with a hammer) that they feel the problem is our behavioral health system is so overloaded that people are out on the streets who shouldn't be. I know our emergency room gets filled with BH cases because no one else will take them because other facilities are so full. If you want to look for a root to this problem, I think that has more to do with it: people who need help are not getting it.

Here's another article I found today. It shares much of the same points of the one I already posted but I think it does an incredible job of illustrating the reality of the life of a family who care for a mentally ill child. While this applies specifically to situation in the States, I find it particularly relevant to my own country where the government are trying to scale back funding for the care of special needs people.

I am Adam Lanza's Mother.

Three days before 20-year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.

“I can wear these pants,” he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.

“They are navy blue,” I told him. “Your school’s dress code says black or khaki pants only.”

“They told me I could wear these,” he insisted. “You’re a stupid bitch. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!”

“You can’t wear whatever pants you want to,” I said, my tone affable, reasonable. “And you definitely cannot call me a stupid bitch. You’re grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school.”

I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.

A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7- and 9-year-old siblings knew the safety plan—they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.

That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn't have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.

We still don’t know what's wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He’s been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.

At the start of seventh grade, Michael was accepted to an accelerated program for highly gifted math and science students. His IQ is off the charts. When he's in a good mood, he will gladly bend your ear on subjects ranging from Greek mythology to the differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics to Doctor Who. He's in a good mood most of the time. But when he's not, watch out. And it’s impossible to predict what will set him off.

Several weeks into his new junior high school, Michael began exhibiting increasingly odd and threatening behaviors at school. We decided to transfer him to the district’s most restrictive behavioral program, a contained school environment where children who can’t function in normal classrooms can access their right to free public babysitting from 7:30 a.m.-1:50 p.m. Monday through Friday until they turn 18.

The morning of the pants incident, Michael continued to argue with me on the drive. He would occasionally apologize and seem remorseful. Right before we turned into his school parking lot, he said, "Look, Mom, I'm really sorry. Can I have video games back today?"

"No way," I told him. "You cannot act the way you acted this morning and think you can get your electronic privileges back that quickly."

His face turned cold, and his eyes were full of calculated rage. "Then I'm going to kill myself," he said. "I'm going to jump out of this car right now and kill myself."

That was it. After the knife incident, I had told him that if he ever said those words again, I would take him straight to the mental hospital, no ifs, ands, or buts. I did not respond, except to pull the car into the opposite lane, turning left instead of right.

"Where are you taking me?" he said, suddenly worried. "Where are we going?"

"You know where we are going," I replied.

"No! You can’t do that to me! You’re sending me to hell! You’re sending me straight to hell!"

I pulled up in front of the hospital, frantically waving for one of the clinicians who happened to be standing outside. "Call the police," I said. "Hurry."

Michael was in a full-blown fit by then, screaming and hitting. I hugged him close so he couldn’t escape from the car. He bit me several times and repeatedly jabbed his elbows into my rib cage. I’m still stronger than he is, but I won’t be for much longer.

The police came quickly and carried my son screaming and kicking into the bowels of the hospital. I started to shake, and tears filled my eyes as I filled out the paperwork—"Were there any difficulties with... at what age did your child... were there any problems with.. has your child ever experienced.. does your child have..."

At least we have health insurance now. I recently accepted a position with a local college, giving up my freelance career because when you have a kid like this, you need benefits. You'll do anything for benefits. No individual insurance plan will cover this kind of thing.

For days, my son insisted that I was lying—that I made the whole thing up so that I could get rid of him. The first day, when I called to check up on him, he said, "I hate you. And I'm going to get my revenge as soon as I get out of here."

By day three, he was my calm, sweet boy again, all apologies and promises to get better. I've heard those promises for years. I don't believe them anymore.

On the intake form, under the question, "What are your expectations for treatment?" I wrote, “I need help.”

And I do. This problem is too big for me to handle on my own. Sometimes there are no good options. So you just pray for grace and trust that in hindsight, it will all make sense.

I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza's mother. I am Dylan Klebold's and Eric Harris's mother. I am Jason Holmes's mother. I am Jared Loughner's mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho's mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

According to Mother Jones, since 1982, 61 mass murders involving firearms have occurred throughout the country. Of these, 43 of the killers were white males, and only one was a woman. Mother Jones focused on whether the killers obtained their guns legally (most did). But this highly visible sign of mental illness should lead us to consider how many people in the U.S. live in fear, like I do.

When I asked my son's social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. “If he’s back in the system, they’ll create a paper trail," he said. "That's the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges."

I don't believe my son belongs in jail. The chaotic environment exacerbates Michael's sensitivity to sensory stimuli and doesn’t deal with the underlying pathology. But it seems like the United States is using prison as the solution of choice for mentally ill people. According to Human Rights Watch, the number of mentally ill inmates in U.S. prisons quadrupled from 2000 to 2006, and it continues to rise—in fact, the rate of inmate mental illness is five times greater (56 percent) than in the non-incarcerated population.

With state-run treatment centers and hospitals shuttered, prison is now the last resort for the mentally ill—Rikers Island, the LA County Jail and Cook County Jail in Illinois housed the nation’s largest treatment centers in 2011.

No one wants to send a 13-year-old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, “Something must be done.”

I agree that something must be done. It's time for a meaningful, nation-wide conversation about mental health. That's the only way our nation can ever truly heal.

God help me. God help Michael. God help us all.
 
Ethan Reigns
Ethan Reigns
There is no medical help available - just look at all the bogus diagnoses he got.
The shooting was a tragedy and my heart goes out to all who lost loved ones as well as all those children taken before their time.

Guns scare the living daylights out of me and I do agree with people who ask how many shootings will it take for the US to change their gun laws.

In Australia we used to have fairly relaxed gun laws. Then in 1996 Martin Bryant killed 35 people and injured a further 21 people in Port Arthur, Tasmania. It was the worst massacre ever committed in Australia (and one of the worst in the world) and almost immediately after it gun laws in Australia underwent a major change. We now have one of the strictest policies on firearms in the world and our gun-related deaths dropped by 47% between 1991 and 2001. It was noted that from 1985 - 2000, 78% of firearm deaths were suicides. In 2010 we had only 30 firearm murders, compared to America's 10,000.

I think it's safe to say that stricter gun control will result in a lower murder rate and help prevent future masscres.
 
Kean
Kean
Agree completely with this... And I'm just seeing you're sulietsexual on Tumblr, I reblog pretty much everything you post :) Welcome to BB :)
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Gum Gnome33
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November
November
It just seems like the pro gun people do not want to see the facts.
Can I just please says it is NOT easy to go out and get a gun illegally here. Geez, folks. Are illegal guns a problem - yes! But that doesn't mean that our government and law enforcement personnel aren't out there busting their butts every day trying to fix that problem. Or that I can just go down to the corner store and buy an illegal gun. Just because the US is portrayed a certain way by the media does not mean it is an accurate picture. And those who advocate stricter gun control (including me) are not in the minority. This is a heavily debated issue here - not everyone here owns a gun or goes around saying, "I have a right to bear arms!" all day long. Please stop acting like gun control is never debated here, that lawmakers aren't always at any given time trying to get tougher controls passed. That because of this SUDDENLY the US is talking about it. We ARE always talking about it.

PLEASE stop basing your judgements on your preconceived notions that are just downright false.

Thank you Kean for posting that article. I work in a hospital and one of our execs was discussing (after a guy took someone hostage in our city with a hammer) that they feel the problem is our behavioral health system is so overloaded that people are out on the streets who shouldn't be. I know our emergency room gets filled with BH cases because no one else will take them because other facilities are so full. If you want to look for a root to this problem, I think that has more to do with it: people who need help are not getting it.

I don't think anyone said it's as easy as picking one up from the local shop, I'm aware there is an application process before you get the licence and the gun - but thats the process Im saying is to easy, not some hypothetical one of buying one from every shop.

Im also not anti-American, or America bashing, discussing an issue relevant to a law America has, and disagreeing with it doesn't automatically make it bashing.

I think the reason it may come across as if everyone seems to think your only talking about it now is because nothing seems to have changed since these school shootings first got media attention, after each one there is allot of talk and then it goes away then the next shooting happens and again it comes back again.
I've no doubt there is discussion going on during the times that the media are highlighting it, but there doesn't seem to have been actually anything done.



That article is scary [MENTION=7585]Kean[/MENTION] , it must be incredibly frighting on a whole different level when she sees something like this on the TV.
 
That article is scary [MENTION=7585]Kean[/MENTION] , it must be incredibly frighting on a whole different level when she sees something like this on the TV.

That's exactly what I thought when I read it too. She can clearly see where her child's life could end up and there is nothing she can do but carry on as best she can and hope it doesn't happen. Not to mention how hard it must be for the other children in the home. It's a cruel situation for all involved.
 
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