School Violence

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The things thats kids at high schools do is really ridiculous. This article is one I was told about by a member here, because one of his friends was one of the girls who was attacked. I won't say who but I just wanted to know what others think about this issue. At this school, 15 girls and 2 guys proceeded to beat the shit out of only 2 girls because they didn't like them. The vice principle also got seriously injured. One of the girls was ok, but the other wasn't so lucky and suffered serious injuries.

Taken from the head article on the FRONT PAGE of the Courier News on Wednesday, April 26, 2006.

Arrests, injures follow South Plainfield school brawl
Four charged, assistant principal hurt in melee involving young women
South Plainfield- Police began patrolling more heavily outside the borough high school Tuesday after a large fight that led to at least four arrests and put an assistant principal in the hospital.

The altercation occurred about 2:15 p.m. Monday at the school, police said, when a dispute between two female students escalated into a large melee involving more than a dozen young women.

Police Capt. Paul Brembt said several women were arrested Monday, including two from other communities. They were identified as Shaquita Renee Cooper, 22; and Llewelyn Johnson, 23; and Allante Talbert, 18; and a 17-year-old juvenile.

Johnson and Talbert were charged with aggravated assault, police said, and Cooper and the juvenile have been charged with obstruction.

When he attempted to intervene to stop the fight, Assistant Principal Ralph Errico was struck in the back of the head, possibly with an object, police said. He remained hospitalized Tuesday, Brembt said.

"We anticipate further arrests, and we have video of part of the altercation we are using, trying to identify the individuals involved," Brembt added Tuesday.

Superintendent Robert Rosado did not return a call for comment.

A South Plainfield resident, Annette Walker, said her granddaughter, 18-year-old Jazmone Lennon, was one of the targets of Monday's assault.

A teenager who graduated from high school last year recruited friends and relatives to gather and settle a score with another girl, then chose Lennon as a secondary target, she said.

"They randomly came into the school. They came up there to start something else," Walker said.

When Lennon walked out of the high school Monday, she was pounced on by the other girls and ended up at the bottom of a pile, where she was beaten and kicked, her grandmother said.

Lennon escaped serious injury, though.

Until tensions cool off, police in South Plainfield are sending about a half dozen officers to the high school each day when classes end, Brembt said.

"The school, along with the police, are monitoring the parking lots. We are discouraging anyone from coming in at dismissal time," he said.

This story was covered by the Channel 12 News on Tuesday, with interviews from students of the high school.
 
Plus, what's with all the girl fighting these days? Where's that coming from?
 
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Edmund Blackadder
What an unbelievably stupid thing to say, fighting between girls is not a new phenomenon, jeez
I dont know but apparently its the new craze or something....cause its happening everywhere and over the stupidest things. This one went wayyy over the line though i think.
 
It's the impression I'm getting. Yesterday on the news where I am there was a case of 2 girls getting charged for uttering threats on the internet. Apparently they were devising a plan to kill another girl. There was a case in my area where these girls ganged up on this girl and killed her under a bridge. I saw a thing on a local news program about the upsurge of girl violence against each other. They were mentioning statistics showing the skyrocketing upsurge of girls in prison for violent crimes.

Even the local feminists admit it. Here's one talking about the story where the girl got murdered under the bridge. In her theory she blames it on our violent society in general, but she does say.

Statistics confirming the rising incidence of girl violence were repeatedly stressed

http://www.harbour.sfu.ca/freda/articles/virk.htm

A general rise in violence may not be enough to explain the phenomenon of rising girl violence statistics though. Here's something else.

Nationwide, the rate of arrests of girls for violent crimes more than doubled between 1987 and 1994. The rate for boys rose during that time as well, but not as substantially.

http://www2.jsonline.com/news/state/aug04/254029.asp

This guy mentions another theory though which says the statistics lie. He says it isn't so much a case of more girl violence as it is police are more likely to charge them now.

All I know is, I'm hearing more girl violence stories than I used to, and some of them are gruesome in a way I never used to hear about.

Here's another one. What's with all the 3 or 4 or 5 on 1 ganging up on people we hear about lately. Stuff like swarming. You never used to hear about that. It just wouldn't be cool.
 
It's hard to know how much the media distorts the reality of certain trends. And maybe trends vary, town to town, country to country. I dunno.

A 2004 report by the National Resource Center on Domestic Violence found evidence that the increase in arrests of girls for violent behavior is not simply due to girls going bad.

That report was led by Meda Chesney-Lind of University of Hawaii at Manoa.  It cites among others a study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which found that while 34.4 percent of girls surveyed in 1991 said they had been in a physical fight in the last year, by 2001 that figure had dropped to 23.9 percent.

Chesney-Lind concluded there are three things contributing to the rise in arrests for girls for violent crimes:

* Relabeling of behavior as criminal, which sometimes means girls involved in scuffles with family members are arrested for assault.
* Rediscovery of girls' violence by media and policy makers.  
* Zero tolerance policies that have the effect of increasing the severity of criminal penalties associated with particular offenses.

http://www.livescience.com/othernews/060410_girls_violence.html

This is an odd one:

Finger Length Predicts Aggression in Men
http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/050203_finger_length.html
 
There are many explanations, but one thing is an unmistakeable fact. There is information both statistical and anecdotal suggesting a rise in girl violence.
 
It's because of Buffy!! Look what it's created!


This is my simple explanation...for all things.

3 people in a room. 1 is a nut. They have two opportunitys to start shit.
6 people in a room. 2 are nuts. They each have 5 opportunitys to start shit.

Statistics always lie, because they very rarely take into account very simple things.
 
nerd4hire
nerd4hire
Yes, statistics lie, but they need to be considered to come to an informed decision on where the lie lies.
A blog dedicated to bullying. Whadya know.

New Item on Cyberbullying
Explosives, firearms and knives aren't the only weapons young people around the world are taking to school each day. Cellular phones and their increasing role in cyber-bullying are of real concern when the 21st century bully is not only techno-savvy, but uses modern communication technology as a vehicle for aggression and harassment. "˜Cyber-bullying' is committed through electronic means when peers use the Internet and cell phones to taunt, insult, threaten, harass and intimidate a peer. The cyber-bully uses text messages, pictures and web pages to circulate rumours, secrets, insults, and even death threats to harm their victims. Thus a profound change in the nature of bullying and youth violence is a subject in drastic need of more research, according to Dr Juliana Raskauskas in the College of Education.


Schools of alienation
Needless to say, nothing shifts the final responsibility for violence away from its perpetrators. But such unexpected fellow-feeling should give us great pause, even as it also helps to explain the recurring motif of school-related alienation and discomfort in popular works as varied in age, tone, setting, and genre as The Catcher in the Rye, Rebel Without a Cause, Blackboard Jungle, The Outsiders, The Basketball Diaries, Carrie, Pink Floyd's The Wall, Heathers, MTV's Daria, Bully the Vampire Slayer, and She's All That. These and similar works are not all violent, but all in some way address the stultifying effects of a school culture that is widely acknowledged as nasty and brutish, conformist and repressive - and, all too often, brazenly anti-intellectual.


UK Swarming
Source: Daily Mirror, 26/11/2004 Forty girl bullies tormented a petrified 15-year-old like a "swarm of bees", a shocked school head said yesterday. The TV pictures show the ugly mob slowly forming a circle round the helpless victim at school gates after a row with a girl of 14 got out of hand. Yelling "Slag!" and "Bitch!" the bullies then pushed and shoved the youngster - and even threatened to kill her if she returned to class next day. Head teacher Pam Orchard, who has suspended all 40 bullies until Monday, said: "When I went out there to break it up I couldn't believe what I saw. They were swarming about the girl like bees round a honey pot, punching and kicking out. "The girl was absolutely terrified. This was so disgraceful I had no option but to suspend for a fixed term the girls who participated in it. I won't tolerate bullying of any kind in my school." Last night, Mrs Orchard sent all pupils home with a letter for parents explaining her reasons for the mass suspensions. She wrote: "You may have heard it was necessary to exclude a relatively large number of senior students for the rest of the week. "They were involved in an unpleasant incident of mass intimidation of one pupil. I hope you will all agree such behaviour is totally unacceptable. "Please discuss with your daughter why it is wrong for large numbers of girls to become involved in a dispute between two girls. "We shall continue to address these issues in school. But without the support of parents we are unable to make a real difference to students' behaviour." One in three secondary school pupils experience bullying and one in four primary pupils are victims of playground abuse, Government figures show. More than half of all children believe bullying is a "big problem" or "quite a big problem". Almost 80 per cent of incidents happen at break and lunch time.

http://www.bullyingawarenessnetwork.ca/site.php?page=news
 
Its crazy with all the school violence and everything now n days but also the kids are getting like alot ruder too.. I mean the popular kids are always messing with the less popular if you dress a certin way, if you are overweight, or even if you have alittle something different wrong with you then most at your school you are normally screwed around with... and eventually the ones who are being screwed with just snap and cant take it anymroe so violence is created... Its stupid but it happens alot... I'm just amazed it hasn't soaked into Kid's brains that making fun of people who aren't exactly like them is stupid and its just gonna more n likely end in trouble for them.
 
Its crazy with all the school violence and everything now n days but also the kids are getting like alot ruder too.. I mean the popular kids are always messing with the less popular if you dress a certin way, if you are overweight, or even if you have alittle something different wrong with you then most at your school you are normally screwed around with... and eventually the ones who are being screwed with just snap and cant take it anymroe so violence is created... Its stupid but it happens alot... I'm just amazed it hasn't soaked into Kid's brains that making fun of people who aren't exactly like them is stupid and its just gonna more n likely end in trouble for them.


Kids aren't getting "ruder". They're getting bolder, totally different thing. Bullying has nothing to do with people being a little different. Unless you're suggesting all popular kids(or bullys) dress, act, and look the exact same. I was not discriminate in high school, I picked on everyone. Popular or not. Generally the teachers got it the worst.

Some people make themselves easy targets..
 
Kids aren't getting "ruder". They're getting bolder, totally different thing. Bullying has nothing to do with people being a little different. Unless you're suggesting all popular kids(or bullys) dress, act, and look the exact same. I was not discriminate in high school, I picked on everyone. Popular or not. Generally the teachers got it the worst.

Some people make themselves easy targets..
But what's the point in doing this? Why? What do you get from it?
 
I don't know what constitues being an "easy target" exactly. Not wearing the right shoes?

People are what they are. I mean, I guess most people want to just "get along" in school. Just get by unharassed, mostly. What is the point of picking on someone? Entertainment? Some kind of head rush maybe. Feeling someone out, picking their brain? Challenging hypocrisy? Some kind of disguised flirtation maybe. Or just establishing alpha male status or whatever...the pecking order. I dunno.

The pressure to be a hyperconformist, cliquish drone and also an individualistic, unique "me""”those pressures are both there in school, and they're both exaggerated to sick extremes at times. Seems like most people chill out, relax by college, if not sooner. Or they're dead or in jail I guess...

The particular bullies I knew from grade school: a pack of 5 or 6 guys. They literally called themselves "The Pack". (I know, really lame). They were very smart, popular, funny. A and B students, team captains. And complete a-holes. Picking fights with kids during recess, ganging up on "nerds", mocking them mercilessly. I think the school of thought from awhile back"”that typical bullies suffer from low self-esteem"”is crap. Or, the meaning of "bully" needs to be more clearly defined.

My only physical fight: I can remember getting shoved off the giant snow mounds at school by a few of these guys, for like the second or third time. I was so pissed, I just tackled one, started pounding on him. He bashed me in the face. Teacher broke it up. I just remember being so pissed, I was literally shaking during class (at least it felt like it).

What pissed me off was that these guys seemed like complete hypocrites. There was one complete jerk who I'd never want anything to do with. But the other guys, you'd get them one-on-one and they were nice, smart, logical people. Then they'd get around eachother and become total conformist pr**ks. Conforming to this gang mentality. Made me sick.

High school was actually fine. The clique factor was still there, but people mostly just left eachother alone.
 
even if you have alittle something different wrong with you then most at your school you are normally screwed around with...

I thought it was interesting that you said A LITTLE SOMETHING DIFFERENT WRONG WITH YOU....because i think alot of teenagers get the message that being different is a bad thing...because other people give them the message that it is...

If that were the case...well...then I would be horrible, cause I don't like being the same...I make it a point to be different...

I think everyone picks on someone at some point in their lives...that doesnt make it ok...but I seriously doubt anyone can say they have never picked on someone, talked about someone behind their back, ect...but hey if you never have good for you...but sometimes it goes wayyyy to far...
 
But what's the point in doing this? Why? What do you get from it?

A cheap laugh.

I don't know what constitues being an "easy target" exactly. Not wearing the right shoes?

When people take themselves too seriously. I laugh at myself all the time. If a person can't laugh at themselves, then I will do it for them, usually extra cruelly.

Also uncleanliness. Nothing irritates me more than dirty finger nails.
People are what they are. I mean, I guess most people want to just "get along" in school. Just get by unharassed, mostly. What is the point of picking on someone? Entertainment? Some kind of head rush maybe. Feeling someone out, picking their brain? Challenging hypocrisy? Some kind of disguised flirtation maybe. Or just establishing alpha male status or whatever...the pecking order. I dunno.

The pressure to be a hyperconformist, cliquish drone and also an individualistic, unique "me""”those pressures are both there in school, and they're both exaggerated to sick extremes at times. Seems like most people chill out, relax by college, if not sooner. Or they're dead or in jail I guess...

The particular bullies I knew from grade school: a pack of 5 or 6 guys. They literally called themselves "The Pack". (I know, really lame). They were very smart, popular, funny. A and B students, team captains. And complete a-holes. Picking fights with kids during recess, ganging up on "nerds", mocking them mercilessly. I think the school of thought from awhile back"”that typical bullies suffer from low self-esteem"”is crap. Or, the meaning of "bully" needs to be more clearly defined.

My only physical fight: I can remember getting shoved off the giant snow mounds at school by a few of these guys, for like the second or third time. I was so pissed, I just tackled one, started pounding on him. He bashed me in the face. Teacher broke it up. I just remember being so pissed, I was literally shaking during class (at least it felt like it).

In high school when I picked on a person physically, 9 times out of ten, they were bigger than me, usually my own friends.
What pissed me off was that these guys seemed like complete hypocrites. There was one complete jerk who I'd never want anything to do with. But the other guys, you'd get them one-on-one and they were nice, smart, logical people. Then they'd get around eachother and become total conformist pr**ks. Conforming to this gang mentality. Made me sick.

High school was actually fine. The clique factor was still there, but people mostly just left eachother alone.

I would imagine that "bullying" could also have positive effects on a person. Especially in todays society when people are such pussys. A little bit of "bullying" could toughen you up.
 
I was told yesterday night that at my old school 3 chicks bashed one chick... all ganged up on her... and last year a year 10 boy came into school and he had been bashed.. he didnt look too good... why the hell would people do that... violence is stupid.. its pointless and it bugs me... grrr
 
a school i attended for a term (ages ago) recently 7 or 8 grade 9's were taken to a local hospital for Over Dosing on Riddelon.... tsk tsk!
 
You see I think there has always been violence in schools. One of my most memorable school memories is of this group of girls having a massive fight. They stamped on each others faces, pulled hair out and really badly injured each other. They were a mess for weeks and it was all due to boys.

I think the thing nowadays is not that the violence is new to schools or to girls it's that it's got more violent. 10 years ago it was just fists, and hair pulling, whearas nowadays knifes and other weapons are brought into the equation. It must be difficult for schools to monitor whether children have weapons with them.
 
I get that. Like maybe what the media has been noticing isn't so much an increase in violence. as a change in the code governing how violence may be performed.

For example you see all these programs on the afternoon talk show prograrms talking about stuff like increased violence among girls, but what they're really talking about is stuff like group bullying, attacks on parents, or girl gangs.

I'll bet kids have been meeting each other at the bike racks after school since the Leave it Beaver days, but they weren't so much bringing weapons, or initiating a drive-bye kind of thing, and even when they did get ultra-violent (thank you Clockwork Orange) there was a different code as to how weapons would be used, or a gang fight performed.

Nowadays you hear stories like kids breaking into old ladies homes, and kicking them to death, then bragging about it afterward. Perhaps there were instances of that kind of violence pre-90s, but the braziness, and acceptance of it amongst peers is something different, I think. Perhaps there's a different code, as to what's acceptable violence.
 
I would imagine that "bullying" could also have positive effects on a person. Especially in todays society when people are such pussys. A little bit of "bullying" could toughen you up.

I can understand picking on people as just interacting with them. Trash talk, mocking your friends. And it can toughen you up. Or make you incredibly bitter and hateful I suppose, lol. Just depends. I think it's actually good when kids can resolve their own problems, stick up for themselves and their ideas. It's when a gang of 5 or 6 guys gang up on some random schmoe...just makes me ill. The other extreme of "everyone's a winner", "you're a superstar" being drilled into people's brains is problematic too, I think.

I know it's possible to find any analysis, any POV you want on the net, but I thought this was interesting:

Level and quality of self-esteem, though correlated, are not synonymous. Self-esteem can be high but fragile (e.g., narcissism) and low but secure (e.g., humility).

From the late 1960s to the early 1990s it was assumed as a matter of course that a student's self-esteem was a critical factor in the grades that they earn in school, in their relationships with their peers, and in their later success in life...

Bullying, violence and murder
Some of the most interesting results of recent studies center on the relationships among bullying, violence and self-esteem. It used to be assumed that bullies acted violently towards others because they suffered from low self-esteem (although no controlled studies were offered to back up this position).

In contrast to old beliefs, recent research indicates that bullies act the way that they do because they suffer from unearned high self-esteem.

Violent criminals often describe themselves as superior to others - as special, elite persons who deserve preferential treatment. Many murders and assaults are committed in response to blows to self-esteem such as insults and humiliation. (To be sure, some perpetrators live in settings where insults threaten more than their opinions of themselves. Esteem and respect are linked to status in the social hierarchy, and to put someone down can have tangible and even life-threatening consequences.)

The same conclusion has emerged from studies of other categories of violent people. Street-gang members have been reported to hold favourable opinions of themselves and to turn violent when these estimations are shaken. Playground bullies regard themselves as superior to other children; low self-esteem is found among the victims of bullies, but not among bullies themselves. Violent groups generally have overt belief systems that emphasise their superiority over others. (Baumeister, 2001)

http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/wiki/Self_esteem
 
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