Season 7 Revelations

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Season 7 Revelations and Greek Mythology

I've always noticed S7 creates more questions than it offers answers, but it does reveal some stuff concerning general Buffology.

I'm trying to make a list in my head. Wanna help.

1. The Slayer line is corrupted when more than one slayer exists in it at the same time. When this happens the slayer line stops. No new potentials are created.

2. Glory was mortal and therefore not a true God by definition of the word. The First impersonates her.

3. Dawn killed Miss Kitty Fantastico

4. Slayer's can have children.

5. Why the slayer is female: Get it Done shows us the First Slayer was created through a kind of mystic rape of a young girl by a mass of demon energy. This implies the act is heterosexual, and the energy is male.

6. Clem drives a bug.

7. Wolfram and Hart are evil yet they possess demon-fighting weaponry.

8. Angel wears lifts.

9. There are at least 2 different kinds of vampires. The non-human variety is the older of the 2, and possibly the origin of the line.

10. This last one is only implied or possibly implied, but it's rarely mentioned so I thought I'd offer it.

In Chosen Buffy falls. She tells Faith to HOLD THE LINE and passes the scythe to her. Faith later passes the scythe to Rona. Does this symbolicaly imply Rona was the next in line to be slayer?
 
Dawn killed Miss Kitty Fantastico????? I did not know that...I didnt even know it died...awww that cat was lovely....Nice points btw...
 
Those were some great tidbits and revelations. Interesting theory about Rona being next in line, makes a lot of sense to me and your probably right. Not that I don't like the whole "Slayer Spell" thing, hell it caplped off the show's theme very well. But I always wondered who would be the next slayer after Faith. But that also leaves the slayers like Molly, Annabelle and Chleo who died before Chosen. . If all the potentials are still alive, who would have been? Again, like you said N4H, the season left a whole lot more questions then answers. But the most startling revelation ofSeason 7 and your list was Clem owning a bug.
 
In End of Days when Dawn and Xander are looking in the car Dawn says: "Xander, my crossbow is not out here. I don't leave crossbows all willy-nilly. Not since that time with Miss Kitty Fantastico."

Which hints she killed her.
 
Oh My! Dawn you naughty minx, hehe.
That revelation concerning Rona being the next in line, that would of sucked I hated her!
 
2. Glory was mortal and therefore not a true God by definition of the word. The First impersonates her.
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I haven't seen much of S7. When was this revealed?
 
@ Fat Elvis, the first episode of the season, at the end of the ep, with Spike in the basement.

Originally posted by AshSan
In End of Days when Dawn and Xander are looking in the car Dawn says: "Xander, my crossbow is not out here. I don't leave crossbows all willy-nilly. Not since that time with Miss Kitty Fantastico."

Which hints she killed her.
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WHAT!?!?! How could I have missed that... I totally hate that little biatch now, Grrrr!
 
I saw that episode.

From "Lessons":

Warren: Of course she won't understand, Sparky. I'm beyond her understanding. She's a girl! With sugar and spice and everything... useless unless you're baking. I'm more than that. More than flesh"” (He morphs into Glory.)
Glory: More than blood. I'm"” you know, I honestly don't think there's a human word fabulous enough for me. Oh, my name will be on everyone's lips. Assuming their lips haven't been torn off. But not just yet. That's all right, though. (She morphs into Adam.)
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When does she imply that Glory is mortal?
 
I'm glad you used the word "imply" Fat Elvis, because I forgot to do that.

The implication exists because The First impersonates Glory. The First can only impersonate the dead. Giles told us this in, I believe it was, Bring On the Night.

I'll be honest with you though. I doubt Joss included Glory in that "return of the Big Bads" thing with the intention of telling us Glory was mortal. Most likely he just thought it would be cool, and hoped we wouldn't notice, if he even thought about it at all.

I just thought it was interesting, so thought I'd mention it.
 
Okay, I get what your saying....in order to die, you do have to be mortal. I came to the conclusion that Glory was no longer a true god once she was banished from her dimension, de-powered, and imprisoned in the body of Ben. I just wasn't sure where it was ever said that she was mortal. However, I wouldn't consider this a new revelation, since we've known she was dead since "The Gift."
 
Uhh...actually no. I'd have to disagree. We knew Ben died in The Gift. We had no idea what happened to Glory. We just knew she could no longer access this dimension through Ben.

It's kind of screwed up really, and probably not worth debating. Again, I doubt Joss worried about this kind of thing when he wrote Lessons. Most likely, he just wanted to do something cute by bringing all the previous Big Bads together.

To be honest though, I don't care what the writer thinks. In my opinion, once the work exists, it creates it's own rules, and those rules are canon.

One way or another there is a revelation here. Either a) Glory is mortal, and therefore not a true God, or b) a God in the Buffyverse does not have to be immortal. It only has to be powerful enough to proclaim itself a God.
 
OR it was the simple fact that although Glory was mostly a God, there was a small part of her that was mortal (Bene) giving The First a loophole to impersonate her due to her small mortality and that mortals death.. If any of that made since.
 
Why do you all think that gods must be immortal? To me, a god is merely an object of worship that may or may not be supremely powerful. Sorry to quote the dictionary, but here is the Dictionary.com definition:

god (n.) -

1. God
a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
b. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot.

Glory pretty much qualifies (except for number five 😛). However, I really agree with nerd4hire in that it was probably just intended as a nifty recap of the previous seasons. I really don't think that the writers think about these things as much as we do, especially considering the whole "Glory dis surprised that the key is human and yet the ritual requires it to bleed" thing.

Also... I don't mean to be the annoyingly optimistic one here, but why do we jump to the conclusion that Dawn killed Miss Kitty? "That incident" does not necessarily mean that the kitty got skewered. Maybe Dawn left the crossbow sitting around and Miss Kitty caused it to go off and damage something? Eh? Just looking on the bright side. That cat was awesome.
 
Enough of it, it was Joss' mistake, which can be covered up with H17's theory, everyone happy?
 
Actually Ally... Sorry, but again, no. Ben and Glory were separate entities.

I'm not sure a dictionary definition of "God" really applies here, either. A better way to approach the arguement might be to name a God that was mortal. I can't think of one of the top of my head, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was an example.

I have to be honest. Some of the revelations I mentioned are speculative. I'm surprised no-one's mentioned the "Why Slayers are female" one yet.

As far as the Miss Kitty Fantastico one goes. I'm confident the writers meant to say exactly what the scene seems to imply. You have to take into consideration the fact there was a lot of curiosity on the fansites concerning what happened to Miss Kitty. The series was about to end. They threw us fans a bone (so to speak).

Hey, do you think Angel really does wear lifts? He does have that whole vanity thing going on. Remember when Cordelia was staying over at Angel's, and she asked him "Do you have any hair gel", then she said "Of course you do?". Also, another time she was wondering how Angel could do his hair so nice, without having any mirrors. Good question.
 
Maybe the fact that Glory cannot die, makes it able for the First to impersonate her?

On the why slayers are female, I thought (and hoped) that was just a comic relief.
 
Originally posted by nerd4hire
I'm not sure a dictionary definition of "God" really applies here, either. A better way to approach the arguement might be to name a God that was mortal. I can't think of one of the top of my head, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was an example.
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Not that I'm trying to turn this into a religious debate, but Jesus was mortal. He was one of the three aspects of God...The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Jesus was 'God' made mortal.
 
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