Season 7 Revelations

Yeah, I saw that. Brad Pitt as Achilles isn't a really bad idea, since Achilles is supposed to be "godlike in appearance", (not that I would know, Mrs. Dwarf told me). I saw a really bad TV miniseries with Achilles as a big bald wrassling type. IT sucked, big time! If they stick to the story and don't go glorifying war, or making it less tragic it might be ok. I just hope some of my favourite characters make it in...I really like Diomedes and Idomeneus. I think if they miss Diomedes, or make him a lesser character, they have really missed the point of who " the best of the Achaeans" was.
 
Hell yeah, that TV thing was horrible. I watched the first 10 minutes and changed the channel.

Diomedes fights the river God right? Please don't tell me I mixed that up. It's my favourite part. Absolutely thay have to show that. It's not The Iliad without it.

I'm sorry to disagree with Mrs. Dwarf, but Brad Pitt as Achilles?!! They might as well use Bart Simpson.

Will they catch all the obscure character details, like Nestor is an old guy who rambles on talking about past campaigns, or will it just be hack n smack, that's what I want to know.

Hector is such a complex, sad, and heroic character. Please don't let them screw that up.

Hey, can you imagine what an epic The Iliad would be if Peter Jackson did it?
 
You read my mind about Peter Jackson! I'm sure he'd do it right. Ok, got the visual of Bart as Achilles and I'm laughing! And I really want to see Diomedes and Athena go at Ares, like they do in Book 5. I really hope they make Paris the big scoundrel he deserves to be, and not make Hector look like a real bad guy...as you said, he's not, he's just a guy trapped by circumstance and the bad behaviour of others.
 
"Troy" director is Wolfgang Peterson, who has a pretty good track record - though his most recent stuff tends towards the blockbuster...the cast looks good though.
Troy details from IMDb

Am I alone in thinking that the Hercules and Xena shows had just about the right mix of respect for the mythology and stories and the action/adventure/humour/post-modern irony required for today's TV audience?
 
I think I know what you're talking about Mr. Pointy, and I think I agree with you.

I'm not sure you used the word you really wanted to when you say, "respect" though.

I think respect would refer more to the way Myth is integrated into the Buffyverse.

That's my opinion anyway.

Dwarfman, I want to make sure I'm talking about the same scene you are, concerning Diomedes. I always get names mixed up, and it's been years since I last read it.

I recall it like this.

It's the day of battle and the Greeks are a little hesitant about getting into it.

Achilles is still pouting about losing his slave girl, so he withdraws into his tent with his boyfriend, and refuses to join the battle.

The Greeks don't have a champion, but they have to fight. They're not crazy about the idea, though.

The battle begins and all of a sudden the young Diomedes is everywhere hacking and whacking his way through Trojans like a sickle through weeds, bashing heads with large rocks, and Homer uses the phrase "Black blood" a lot.

Diomedes becomes totally battle-crazed, and begins to feel invincible. He wants Hector, but he can't get at him. He winds up battling alongside this river, and he meets a God.

The two start trash talking each other. Diomedes won't show the God respect. The God gets pissed, and the 2 of them get into it. In my warped memory it's a magnificent battle.

Is that the same thing you're thinking of more or less?

BTW another thing I hope they don't lose from the epic is the way Homer both glorifies war, and speaks against it. It's just not going to have the same feel, if they slant it too hard in either direction.

They're calling it Troy and not The Iliad though, so I'm not optimistic.
 
Some eps of Xena or hercules messed the myths and history a lot..I really hated Athena in Xena-she was way too old...
 
Wait. In the list you said that no knew Potential SLayers will be chosen. Does that mean that when this generation dies out we are all out of Slayers? I hope that's not true.
 
I'm sorry. I obviously didn't explain that clearly.

In Season 7, someone, maybe more than one someone, I think it was the bringer that spoke through Andrew says when they kill the potentials it will end the slayer line.

That was where it stood at that point.

Something obviously happened after that, because we have Fray.
 
Now you have me thinking. Thinking is never good, LoL. I thought that the reason they were killing Potentials and Watchers was so that when there was a new Slayer they wouldn't know and that would end the line there. Now I need answers... lol
 
Actually Parker, you inspired me.

I just came from starting a new thread on the subject.

I don't know if it will help you, or not, but it does go into significantly more detail.

Here's a link to the thread:

Why Buffy is the Slayer
 
N4H: Sorry, I'm at work on days this week, so my replies may be shorter than I want, and less frequent!

Diomedes goes battle-crazy in Book 5 and goes after Aphrodite when she saves her son Aeneas. He then has a go at the River God Scamandrius, who appeals to Ares for help shutting Diomedes down. Ares approaches, but Athena comes to Diomedes' aid, and together they attack and wound Ares in the belly. Ares runs off and whines to Zeus about Athena being out of control. At this time, Achilles is pouting, so I think this is the scene you mean!

I found Joss and the writers to be very respectful of the myths they invoke in Buffy and Angel. They did a very good job of not depicting them, so as to not have them mis-depicted, if you follow me...Osirus only appears as a big watery face in S6, and Hecate who is invoked a lot isn't seen at all (which is good, 'cause she's nasty). Someone or a couple of someones at ME have been reading up on their myths.
 
I'm also glad they didn't show Hecate..she certainly isn't the most beautiful and nice of all of them...
 
A version of Hecate was shown in the Season One Charmed episode "Wedding From Hell," but I didn't think they did her much justice... (sorry if getting OT)
 
I don't think there is an off topic for this thread....

hecate would be a very scary deity to meet. My handy dandy myth book describes her as "The Goddess of the Dark of the Moon...associated with deeds of darkness, the Goddess of the Crossways...[which were] ghostly places of evil magic." **shiver**
 
I'd tried to change the thread title to Season 7 Revelations and God-talk, but it wouldn't let me.

Speaking as the original thread poster I can tell you, I think this particular thread is designed to meander around a bit. Personally, I kind of like it in this case.
 
There are some deites that should be portrayed at all coz it's too hard to show how ugly/evil/powerful they are..
 
Originally posted by ana8
There are some deites that should be portrayed at all coz it's too hard to show how ugly/evil/powerful they are..

I agree with you there. If they would show them, it'd take away the credit these deites have earned with us.
 
Yup, and I had the same fears about LoTR and how the Balrog would look in the movie...and I must admit, Mr. Jackson (that's Peter, not Michael!) did an amazing job of it!
 
Allycat said:
I agree with you there. If they would show them, it'd take away the credit these deites have earned with us.

And some of them don't even have 'proper' understandable for people forms...
 
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