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[MENTION=10354]VisionGirl[/MENTION] I like the idea of the going back and forth, it makes sense. Angel as the father still doesn't make sense to me though, for so many reasons I've mentioned before. Also, it's been mentioned many times (not by me 🙂 ) that it happened at the party. Which leads me to...

I am wondering now about the fairy. Buffy saw a fairy in her dream, and Spike thought he saw a fairy or whatever at the party. Joss & coincidence? highly unlikely.
Which leads me to....

What the hell does anything, any of what happened up until now, has anything to do with a robot?? Right now I'm gonna stick with VisionGirl's theory about the switch up back and forth.

I think the last issue we have inrormation on is #10, here:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=37215

I don't know anything about #11 yet.

Good, give me more headache. If Buffy's a robot, and say the real Buffy is somewhere and Spike doesn't even know where, how did it happen that Buffy goes out of town with Spike and Andrew for a mission?
 
'hair-brained' stands out as a definition of Andrew's latest scheme. hee-hee. want to bet this has nothing to do with actual Buffy wearing a Matrix-style data helmet that is basically wiring her brain to the remotely controlled Buffy-bot?

Heh-heh, love it! I don't care what anybody says, I'm enjoying this new development. It's fun to speculate on all this stuff, plus I like the theme of bodily autonomy & control that goes along with the pregnancy/abortion plots as well. And I love things like Dollhouse & Battlestar Galactica so this stuff is a favorite topic for me. Oooh!!! Buffy is a Cylon!!!!

I find it weird & confusing that the variant cover for #8 has
Buffy losing her arm
when it already happened! So, is it going to happen again, or will it just explore another aspect of the event? Or will
the real Buffy get her arm ripped off too
?
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/19-...layer-Season-9-8-Georges-Jeanty-Variant-cover
 
VisionGirl
If Buffy's a robot, and say the real Buffy is somewhere and Spike doesn't even know where, how did it happen that Buffy goes out of town with Spike and Andrew for a mission?

It may mean "Buffy whose conscience is trapped in a robot's body uses that shell to go out of town..." etc. *shrugs* I don't know.

Re: variant cover - Allie explained it in his interview: "We spoiled the arm thing in a fairly calculated move, I think it's safe to say. And we cheated it a little bit, so as not to totally spoil the story point. But that cover took a long time to get right"”we went back and forth about how best to portray the mechanical arm getting hacked off, and then we came up with the idea that it should be the bloody version people see in advance."

(And I remember agruing that it can't be a robot because of the blood on her hand. Silly me.) 🙁

Ladydorotea
'hair-brained' stands out as a definition of Andrew's latest scheme. hee-hee. want to bet this has nothing to do with actual Buffy wearing a Matrix-style data helmet that is basically wiring her brain to the remotely controlled Buffy-bot?

Let me guess... Andrew has invented a way to use human hair as a transmitter to send brain-waves. What a clever guy! 🙂
 
Also, because Joss feels, as I feel, and Sierra and I think Andrew feel, that this reality deserves to be expressed in stories. A young woman makes a choice about her life and her body.

LOL, Is this guy for real? So their expression of "A young woman makes a choice about her life and her body" is a story where said woman doesn't even know her body has been stolen and her ripped off arm is played as a joke? Is Joss sharing some of whatever he is smoking with Allie or Allie is just repeating Joss's nonsense? What's next, Joss bragging that the Buffyverse is about the importance of good fathers? 🙂
 
Man! I've stopped reading the comics themselves a long time ago-- just read things online sometimes-- and when i come across stuff like this I'm glad I stopped reading them. Because they sounds increasingly crazy 🙄
 
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LOL, Is this guy for real? So their expression of "A young woman makes a choice about her life and her body" is a story where said woman doesn't even know her body has been stolen and her ripped off arm is played as a joke? Is Joss sharing some of whatever he is smoking with Allie or Allie is just repeating Joss's nonsense? What's next, Joss bragging that the Buffyverse is about the importance of good fathers? 🙂

I'm trying to decide if he is knowingly telling a political story about how men continue to make decisions about women's bodies, to the extent where even if a woman has exercised her right to choose (as Buffy did), men/power still get in the way and impede the following through of that choice. Which is a perfect echo of what is going on in the States at the minute.

Or

Does he think he is writing a story about a woman's right to choose but actually showing an even more disturbing way in which a person can be violated? I mean, if Buffy's body is out there somewhere, gestating, there is going to be a baby there that she will be responsible for. A baby she doesn't believe she can be responsible for. Where is the moral core of that narrative? That is a very ugly story to me.

I really do not know which side to fall on.
 
I'm trying to decide if he is knowingly telling a political story about how men continue to make decisions about women's bodies, to the extent where even if a woman has exercised her right to choose (as Buffy did), men/power still get in the way and impede the following through of that choice. Which is a perfect echo of what is going on in the States at the minute.

I freely admit that I am not inclined to give Joss and Allie the benefit of the doubt but since they found it fitting to play the robot revelation for laughs in the story I don't see how they can also be making some profound statement. It seems to me like a random pot twist, nothing more.

Plus, since Andrew, the ultimate writer's pet, is most likely involved, I doubt the idea is to show just how wrong and evil he is.
 
I freely admit that I am not inclined to give Joss and Allie the benefit of the doubt but since they found it fitting to play the robot revelation for laughs in the story I don't see how they can also be making some profound statement. It seems to me like a random pot twist, nothing more.

Plus, since Andrew, the ultimate writer's pet, is most likely involved, I doubt the idea is to show just how wrong and evil he is.

Yeah, see that is where I am at too. I can stretch my imagination to make all the players fit into a political story, but it just feels so uncomfortable and forced. Which means we are left with a morally repulsive story in which the character of Buffy is the pawn. Not that she hasn't always been, but this much disaster and tragedy in one person's life, even a Slayer's, is stupidly isolating. If we never see her experience joy and happiness, then she is barely more than a punching bag and victim. She surely isn't the icon she was created to be, simply because Joss won't let her be. That is incredibly isolating, not just for Buffy as a character, but for us as an audience.
 
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ladydorotea
Yes, I have to agree about overlad with tagedy and isolation - the arc name and Allie's inteview ( his answer about her being alone) make the message only too clear.
Why can't Joss and Co. come up with a new story? This robot thing is old hat.

Not looking forward to reading this issue. Buffy being verbally abusive to Spike? Been there, done that. I'll pass.

*sign*
 
Miss Kitty
Miss Kitty
Oh, you should read it and make up your own opinion ! The Spuffy stuff is really good. Where did you hear that she was verbally abusive ?
http://www.bamfas.com/2012/03/review-angel-faith-8-daddy-issues-part-3/
Review "“ Angel & Faith #8 Daddy Issues Part 3

By Jenny "“ March 16, 2012



Script: Christos Gage
Art: Rebekah Isaacs
Colors: Dan Jackson
Cover: Steve Morris
Alternate Cover: Rebekah Isaacs with Dan Jackson
Executive Producer: Joss Whedon
Published By: Dark Horse

We begin this issue with some serious slayer action. Faith is dealing with Nadira, who coincidentally has a lot of characteristics of our Faith of yesteryear. Nadira has a lot of issues from her past and deals with them by lashing out at everyone around her, eventually making everything worse. Even though Faith has grown, she still has a short fuse and a knack for not holding her tongue or sword for that matter! In typical slayer fashion they talk out their problems while nearly killing each other, slayers aren't generally known for their communication skills. After what appears to be a breakthrough, everything falls apart because of Faith's surprising suggestion. Wounded, troubled slayers are only a part of the myriad of Faith's problems, lest we forget that her estranged father is in town and all may not seem to be what it appears to be. He has problems of his own and as it turns out he wants Faith to fix them. We finally get a really good look into what kind of person he really is, and that person is, to put it mildly, not very good and it seems she would be better off without him around. Faith decides to take care of his problem in her own way with some help from Angel and things get ugly!

This is a deep issue, it is very sad and emotional. Even though we have seen Faith grow and mature, this issue really gets to the crux of her issues and shows her pain and suffering in a way we haven't seen in this series before. Faith's character is really captured beautifully. This issue is Faith centered so there is very little Angel in it, although his unswerving loyalty and support are felt when he is there. The dialog is excellent as is the story progression. The art is fantastic, Faith's pain really comes across to the reader. I loved the Harmony issue, but this one is by far the best yet, I really hope that this series continues with the complexity that is featured in this issue.

Release Date: March 28th, 2012
 
Dun, dun, dun. Who's going next to be treated by the Lorophage demon? Nadira or Faith?
 
New Dark Horse banner for advertising S9

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I wonder if it's Andrew who is trapped inside Buffy's human body.


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http://comicsgrinder.com/2012/03/22/angel-and-fatih-8-review/

ANGEL AND FAITH #8 Review by Henry Chamberlain

“ANGEL AND FAITH,” Part Three of “Daddy Issues,” digs deeper into the psychology of Faith and her world. You can really feel the struggle that Faith is going through with her ne’er-do-well father suddenly turning up in her life. Faith wanted to believe in her father. But now, she has reason not to believe in him anymore. We readers know she’s right in more ways than one. And we also see where Faith is off. As a leader to her sister slayers, she does not always have all the answers. As we left off in the previous issue, Mr. Lehane is playing his daughter. He’s also dealing with forces that are way over his head. Faith may end up feeling sorry for him again but not now, maybe not ever.

The doddering, bald, pot-bellied Pat Lehane is a perfectly etched out character. He is no hero, more of an unlikely villain, and yet we still feel a little sorry for the bumbling old coot. He is just plain trouble and drowning in his own misery. It is actually quite a good turn to have him join the cast! It gives Faith something other than her sister slayers to be in conflict with. There’s a good scene with Faith as she brings down an unstable slayer and tries to talk some sense into her. It’s a great fight scene and opens up the issue with energetic artwork by Rebekah Isaacs and shows the limitations of Faith’s leadership.

Those scenes with Faith at odds with her dad are powerful. Christos Gage’s writing is quite in tune with the dynamics of dysfunctional families. Mr. Lehane, as guilty as sin, has no qualms about attempting to turn the tables on Faith and blame her for everything because of that hot Irish temper she’s inherited. Faith, not without her own checkered past, is quick to blame her father for how she turned out.

So what havoc has Mr. Lehane wrought on her daughter? Well, it is a whole mess of trouble in the form of a bunch of thugs out for blood and money. How will Angel deal with it? He can always turn into a vampire and scare the hell out of everyone. But what about Faith? How will she deal with this ultimate mess from dear ol’ dad and dad himself? That won’t be pretty. There is something called, “unconditional love” but then there’s also something called, “common sense.” Faith will have to act and act fast but she may also act too fast. Remember Drusilla and her gang and the Lorophage Demon? There are “daddy issues” and then there are “demon issues.” Oh, how things can escalate beyond control!

“Angel and Faith,” Issue 8, comes out March 28.
 
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I wonder if it's Andrew who is trapped inside Buffy's human body.
Ha, wouldn't that be interesting! But according to solicitations for the next issues he's somewhere outside dealing with Buffy and Spike
 
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[MENTION=9865]Anca[/MENTION] - yes, but we don't know how he looks!

It's like in "Who are you" - it's Faith who flirts with Spike, but it's SMG who plays her.

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The debates on the controversial issue go on 🙂

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2012/03/23/the-buffy-the-vampire-slayer-abortion-controversy/

The ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ Abortion Controversy
March 23rd, 2012 at 2:00 pm

This article talks about events in the Dark Horse comic book series Buffy the Vampire Slayer and contains spoilers for Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Nine #7.

When we’re kids, all we need from our comic book heroes are superpowers, simple plots, and a clear line between good and bad — as an adult, though, it gets more complicated. Now we need complexity and relevancy. We need to be shocked and we need our emotions tweaked. The world around us and the issues that matter most to us need to be poured into our fiction now, even if it cuts through the most fantastic of settings and even if those issues shock or offend.

There is a proud history of that in comics, with creators pushing back against both the Comics Code Authority and the loud voices of those who think that ignoring an issue is akin to addressing it. When Stan Lee ran a story about substance abuse in The Amazing Spider-Man #96-98 without the CCA stamp of approval, when the story of Terry Berg was told, and any number of other stories that focused on equality, intolerance, spousal abuse, and several other hot button issues went out, there have been people standing up and people trying to push them back down with a bottle of white out.

Joss Whedon is the type of force that we expect to see standing up. He’s a behind the scenes comic book hero who knows how to write for adults; his work on Astonishing X-Men and the Buffy the Vampire Slayer comics show that, and his ability to write strong female characters and strong LGBT characters for television and comics are second to none. That’s why it didn’t seem out of character for Whedon to grab a hold of the proverbial third rail that is women’s reproductive rights in February when he produced the Andrew Chambliss-scripted Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Nine #6, a book that revealed the eponymous protagonist’s intention to abort her unborn child.

Now, it’s important to note that Whedon clearly didn’t go into this jumping up and down in celebration. I also think that it’s safe to say that nobody loves abortion or the heat that comes off the issue, but Whedon felt it was important for his iconic character to “go there” and so she did, that is until now.

In Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Nine #7, which was released on March 14, 2012, it is revealed that Buffy is, in all actuality, a Buffybot, albeit one that does not appear to be self-aware. Now, the impact of this won’t be fully known until future issues, but as of right now it seems like the Buffybot is not really pregnant, which means there will be no need for an abortion.

There are two ways that we can look at this: either Whedon and Co. found a genius way to “say something” on a molten hot issue, taking Buffy through the painstaking process of deciding to end a pregnancy and then found a way to, not invalidate that process, but strip away all lasting (and controversial) effects that would have remained with Buffy had she gone through with it.

Or, Whedon betrayed his own words — “It’s not something we would ever take lightly, because you can’t. You don’t. It’s not an easy thing for anyone” — and did treat the issue lightly by throwing out a robot left turn that seems like an uninspired, “It was all just a dream” level trope.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Nine #7I asked Dark Horse Comics Senior Managing Editor Scott Allie if Whedon had, in fact, betrayed his previous quote and he responded in the negative, “I’m proud of the job that Andrew [Chambliss] and Georges [Jeanty, the primary artist on the book] and everyone involved did, dealing with the seriousness of the choice. Putting that out into the world was important for us. We knew that the surprise with the robot would lead somebody to say we weren’t taking it seriously, but I don’t think you can read the comic and accuse us of being glib or exploitive. We dug into a topic we cared about and handled it with respect.”

With all due respect to Allie, questions and disappointment surely still remain. Did Whedon back down and call an audible during the creative process when he suddenly realized that the book would be creating a firestorm shortly before the release of The Avengers? No, according to Allie, who says that “first Joss came up with the robot thing, and that led to the other stuff. It wasn’t a case of us wanting to do an abortion story, then trying to figure a way out of it.”

How about the “Satsu situation”? Remember back in 2008 when Buffy had a momentary same-sex affair with Satsu to much fanfare and little relevancy? Is this another similar act, one that generates buzz and does little else? Let’s not forget that while Whedon is a gifted writer, director, and producer, he’s also a talented showman and provocateur.

That’s something that begs for an ample amount of cynicism if we’re chalking this up to a mere buzz hunt, but at the end of the day all we concretely have is that sharp left turn and the shell of what would have been a landmark moment in comics — a moment that would have gotten people thinking and talking for a long time about an issue that is largely ignored in the medium.

Whatever this was, why-ever Whedon decided to do it, the fact remains that no matter the hype and no matter how clever you are, you can’t really say something without actually saying it.
 
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VisionGirl
VisionGirl
"abort her unborn child"- way to remain neutral about that subject (not you- the article :))
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 9 #8 preview

http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/18-700?page=0

Writer: Andrew Chamblis
Penciller: Cliff Richards
Inker: Andy Owens
Colorist: Michelle Madsen
Cover Artist: Phil Noto

There is something seriously wrong with Buffy! She and Spike discover that the one person who can help her is actually . . . Andrew? Buffy's situation becomes even more dire as she discovers that Simone, the Slayer with an enormous grudge, has been targeting her.
40 pages, $2.99, in stores on April 11.

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Interesting A&F tidbit:

https://twitter.com/#!/rebekahisaacs/status/183592697674735616
Rebekah Isaacs ‏
"WHOA." - me, after reading every one of [MENTION=9824]Chris[/MENTION]tosgage 's Angel & Faith scripts. So excited to get started on all the mayhem in #13!
https://twitter.com/#!/rebekahisaacs/status/183949832564637696
Things are blowing up in LA?

Rebekah Isaacs
@Forum Oh, we're far from LA in this issue. London, too. :-D
8:13 PM - 25 Mar 12

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I'm intrugued. Far from LA --> Pylea? Quor-Toth? Angel's dreamscape? Time-travel back to Sunnydale, BtVS years?

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Anca: The colors in the preview pages are odd

Maybe Xander and Dawn painted their room recently? 🙂 Kidding. I agree, extra-bright coloring looks strange.
 
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The colors in the preview pages are odd
VisionGirl
VisionGirl
Ooh, excited to see where A&F are going- literally.
Maybe Xander and Dawn painted their room recently? 🙂 Kidding. I agree, extra-bright coloring looks strange.
Hm, actually I think that some-thing's wrong with my computer, I can see the preview pages on Dark Horse site just fine, but these .. the faces are green and the walls are violet.

There's a spoilery article linked on whedonesque with some new info from Scott Allie

http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/54...view=/gallery/scottallie/scottallie5x#gallery

Buffy The Vampire Slayer Season 9 #8-#10, written by Scott Allie and Andrew Chambliss, art by Cliff Richards, covers by Phil Noto. Buffy's pregnancy scare comes to an end when she discovers she's actually a Buffy-bot. Now the robot version of Buffy must team with Spike to recover her real body, with the help of Andrew Wells, who's responsible for the whole situation. Season 8's Rogue Slayer Simone returns to center stage as well.

The guys from geeksofdoom were right "You can't say something without actually saying it"
 
janas
janas
no, there's nothing wrong with your computer, even I see the faces green and the walls violet
I still think it's a mislead. How can a robot get a positive pregnancy test? It's not a cylon - it has a mechanical body.

Either the synopsis is a mislead or the writers really lost it.
 
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david4wt
I think that writers lost it a while ago. Like in 2003.
Xin Rong
Xin Rong
Cylons are awesome :)
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