Selfless

[GATEGOD]

One of her best episodes! She speaks swedish!! turns someone into a troll!! sings!!! crys!! kills!! sacrifices!!!
Well I loved it, it was very sad for Xander/Anya, Buffy definitely not a good friend. Anya was great kicking B's ass. haha
Anyways I thought this was one of her best episodes, not the best but one of them.
What do you think her best? second best ^_^ 3rd? Definitely one of the great ones!
"You're apologizing to me what fight are you watching? or is this one of your pop culture references I don't get because I'm a vengou.."
Then she gets stabbed and the scene ends :cry: then we just see a flashback to the day of the musical which was cute
I was happy, the scene gave me enough time to realize she can't be dead, hal was stabbed before and lived.
Then as she sings they cut back to her stabbed body and there are tears on her face :cry: so sad.
The fact that she says she wants to take it back was so beautiful 🙁
I could go on I loved this episode! :cheering:

 

[sosa lola]

I wouldn't say that Buffy is not a good friend, she was doing her job, and Anya had made the choice to kill, so I can see where Buffy was coming from.

 

[GATEGOD]

I just don't see the difference between Evil Willow and Demon Anya... atleast Anya was sorry for what she did when she was still a demon!! Yet Buffy didn't want to help her only willow...

 

[sosa lola]

Put in mind that Buffy knew that Anya was a demon and was doing her game long before she decided to kill her. Anya should have been stopped before Selfless, not by killing her, but by trying to make her not grant wishes, because even though the men she cursed were jerks, they didn't deserve Anya's way of punishments.

 

[GATEGOD]

Buffy couldn't care less about Anya and in later eps Anya couldn't care less about Buffy, why couldn't they just like each other lol!!

 

[Kean]

Buffy and Willow never liked Anya, she filled Cordy's role pretty perfectly...the only other character besides Xander that really was friends with Anya was Andrew

 

[sosa lola]

Poor Anya. :lol:

But she had it coming for being so tactless with mostly everybody, even her boyfriend. 😀 I don't think Anya cared about the Scoobies as much as she cared about Xander, she was always willing to run away with Xander, and not the others up until Chosen when she figured that she cared about humans and was going to fight for them.

 

[Kean]

Poor Anya. :lol:

But she had it coming for being so tactless with mostly everybody, even her boyfriend. 😀 I don't think Anya cared about the Scoobies as much as she cared about Xander, she was always willing to run away with Xander, and not the others up until Chosen when she figured that she cared about humans and was going to fight for them.

In her defense she was 1120 years old, functioning in society wasn't exactly her thing and like I said, her and the Scoobies didn't really for each other so from Amya's perspective why would she run with them??

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

Don't forget that Anya was there by choice, Willow was grieving and trying to cope.

 

[GATEGOD]

Buffy should have gotten Anya to take Dawn away! She would have gotten the job done!! 😛

lol how did we end up on Chosen?

 

[Kean]

I have no idea! we never stay on topic anyway! It's too hard!

 

[Jade In The Sky]

lol nice dialogue you had there 😀 I was really glad that they gave Anya a whole episode centered around her, well a whole like 90% which is something. I spent a lot of time not liking her ( she always got on my nerves with the exception of season 6 that is ) but during this epi I remember I honestly felt for her. When you see a person who has sunk so deep and nobody's there for them is really heart-breaking. And I really got her, you know being so odd even for the scoobies to understand her and to help her when she needed it the most.

I guess the reaction of Buffy was predictable. She always had to make the tough decisions and I think she became too burdened and had lost some of her belief in redemption. Of course later on in the season she gradually changed her attitude due to Spike but at this stage she just had to make a quick decision.

As for Will, well she is Will. She always helps and even though she didn't get Anya before really well or liked her, having gone through a veeery difficult time she could at least understand her now. 🙂

 

[palabravampiress]

I just don't see the difference between Evil Willow and Demon Anya... atleast Anya was sorry for what she did when she was still a demon!! Yet Buffy didn't want to help her only willow...

I think that for Buffy, there were two major differences between the willow/Spike scenarios and the Anya scenarios: 1. First, there was the chance to mend the problem. Willow was stopped in time. She only killed on person, and that one person wasn't terribly innocent, either. I think Buffy wanted to save Willow like she couldn't save Faith in earlier seasons. Willow was not yet beyond the point of no return. What Willow did was horrible, yes, but even most juries would be relatively sympathetic to someone who went berserk and killed her lover's murderer. 2. Second, there were obvious signs of the killer being used like a puppet instead of killing of his own free will. Spike fought to be "the kind of man who would never... a kind of man." He claimed to have no memory of subsequent killings. When he accidentally killed the guy who was the slug, he freaked. When he thought he was killing again, he even went so far as to ask Buffy to end him. All of this tipped Buffy off to the idea that this new enemy of theirs might be using Spike. Anya's situation was different.

Anya had been a demon and adjusted to her new humanity. But when she was hurt, she chose to go BACK to killing people. As the most reasonable of the scoobies, it's even fair to say that she did it with a relatively clear head. The frat boys were innocents. Anya acted under no one else's influence. It was a purely mercenary contract kill. I don't think Buffy saw any way to bring Anya back from that. Willow and Spike could be brought back from the brink with love and faith and a little bit of intervention. Anya had already had all of that, but she had chosen to go back to killing in a detached, cold-blooded manner. It was only when Anya offered her own life and soul to undo the damage she had caused that Buffy saw that Anya was not a heartless, remorseless killer. Intention means a lot to Buffy -- even more than action, I would argue -- when she makes her judgments about who lives and who dies.

 

[GATEGOD]

Anya was sorry for what she did, she just never told them. You could see throughout the episode she was sorry for it. She couldn't tell anyone because no one cared. One day everyone was her friend, the next there not. Buffy thought Anya couldn't be brought back only because she really didn't care. I thought she would care your reasoning still doesn't help me understand why she was being such a bitch.
They new Anya did things like this before, Spike,Angel all evil things turned good did. So when she goes bad again instead of even trying to help her she tries to kill her... She COULD HAVE tried to help her. She tries to help all her other friends.. and enemies... Buffy clearly wasn't herself.

After what she did by turning the guy into a worm you'd think they would go to her and talk to her... they don't so she continues. What are friends for :/

 

[palabravampiress]

I agree that Buffy did act a little out of character in not trying to redeem/help Anya first. Maybe she was rushed by the whole "From beneath you, it devours" thing?

 

[GATEGOD]

Yea and crazy spike seemed to be on her mind too. But she felt in character through every part not dealing with Anya which bothered me

 

[Kean]

I think there was an understanding of sorts between Anya and Buffy. They were never really friends, Xander was their only connection. However, I think when it came to the slaying they understood each other. Anya saw Buffy's role in the Scoobie gang clearer than anyone and had admiration for her without over doing it. Both Buffy and Anya had been waiting for a confrontation to happened beetween them. Months had passed since the Wedding and Buffy did nothing to Anya knowing she was exacting vengence. It was only with the worm guy that it became something that Buffy couldn't ignore anymore. Anya had made it clear she didn't want any Scooby help, so really what was Buffy supposed to do? Her loyalty would always be to Xander first, just as Anya's was. In Selfless, neither Buffy or Anya got any joy out of having to fight. They both seemed upset that it had come to that. I don't think either of them were acting out of character. They were both strong, willful women who were doing their jobs. Anya got the same chance to prove herself as did Angel, Spike, Willow and Xander. At the time she asked to be made a demon again she clearly was devastated but she had months to take it back, she could have broken her power centre. Anya knew what becoming a vengence demon meant, which meant accepting the repecusions. I don't think it's fair to call Buffy a bad friend becuase she did her job.

 

[GATEGOD]

Months had passed since the Wedding and Buffy did nothing to Anya knowing she was exacting vengence. It was only with the worm guy that it became something that Buffy couldn't ignore anymore. Anya had made it clear she didn't want any Scooby help, so really what was Buffy supposed to do? Her loyalty would always be to Xander first, just as Anya's was.

That's just it, Xander ruined Anya, and Buffy takes his side, helps him. Helps him with what feeling sorry that he ruined someones life... She should have went to Anya, tried harder. Evil Willow didn't want Buffy's help .. yet she gave it. Angelus didn't want her help yet she tried to help get Angel back. Anya was hurt and all her friends abandoned her. She had been with them for 3 years now? They were friends. They were her bride's maids. The people she trusted most, and they sided with the person who hurt her and tore out her heart, of course she didn;t what there help after they did that. That doesn't mean they abandoned there friend and wait for her to mess up so they (she) can kill her. Willow still tried to help as did Xander. Buffy spent all her time thinking of how and when she would kill her, knowing the day would come and didn't do anything to stop it.

 

[sosa lola]

That's just it, Xander ruined Anya, and Buffy takes his side, helps him. Helps him with what feeling sorry that he ruined someones life... She should have went to Anya, tried harder.

I think the sad truth is that Anya isn't really close to Buffy. Xander, however, is Buffy's best friend. Buffy saw how his actions had hurt him, and that was why she was there for him. I don't think she approved of what he had done to Anya, though.

 

[Kean]

That's just it, Xander ruined Anya, and Buffy takes his side, helps him. Helps him with what feeling sorry that he ruined someones life... She should have went to Anya, tried harder. Evil Willow didn't want Buffy's help .. yet she gave it. Angelus didn't want her help yet she tried to help get Angel back. Anya was hurt and all her friends abandoned her. She had been with them for 3 years now? They were friends. They were her bride's maids. The people she trusted most, and they sided with the person who hurt her and tore out her heart, of course she didn;t what there help after they did that. That doesn't mean they abandoned there friend and wait for her to mess up so they (she) can kill her. Willow still tried to help as did Xander. Buffy spent all her time thinking of how and when she would kill her, knowing the day would come and didn't do anything to stop it.

I'm not being smart but why would Buffy try harder? She and Anya were not the friends that you are making them out to be. Not once did she and Buffy do anything as friends that Xander wasn't involved in. Yeah she picked them as her Bridesmaids but if not them then who? She didn't know anyone else, not really.Anya was on the fringes of the group just like Spike. The Scoobies weren't her friends and she tells Buffy that in season 7. The simple fact that Anya CHOSE to become a demon again and stayed that way can't be ignored. By doing that she not only wasn't Buffy's friend, she was now her enemy. You keep saying that Buffy should have tried harder but Anya WANTED to be a demon, there was no way she was going to change back esecially under the encouragement of someone she doesn't even like that much. She knew what she was doing, maybe not in the moments directly after the wedding but later on, she knew. That's the difference between Anya and every other Scooby who went postal. She decided to be evil, the rest had it happen to them.