:lmao::lmao::lmao: I would always love to discuss the more finer points of this episode. Fell free to throw a hateful idea about Anya my way and I'll bat it down, and bury it so far in the ground you'll never find it!! Then I'll come up with my own idea and smack you with it til you agree!!! :lmao: okay so maybe not exactly like that, but somewhere along the lines, so it would be fun ^_^ Or we could talk about the stories that happened after this because of what happened within the episode. We could talk about what happened to spike. We could talk about the change in Buff. We could talk about Willow helping Anya. We could talk about the cute Xander/Anya scenes. We could talk about...
Selfless
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:lmao::lmao::lmao: I would always love to discuss the more finer points of this episode. Fell free to throw a hateful idea about Anya my way and I'll bat it down, and bury it so far in the ground you'll never find it!! Then I'll come up with my own idea and smack you with it til you agree!!! :lmao: okay so maybe not exactly like that, but somewhere along the lines, so it would be fun ^_^ Or we could talk about the stories that happened after this because of what happened within the episode. We could talk about what happened to spike. We could talk about the change in Buff. We could talk about Willow helping Anya. We could talk about the cute Xander/Anya scenes. We could talk about...
Spirit_Of_Fred
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i have a random comment about selfless. in the spell willow does to call d'hoffryn, it's actually similar to the version anya was using in 'something blue', only it is in latin. i never realized they were the same till i saw it in the script...unless of course it is a bad source, but i think its good 🙂.
Kemy
Its a shorter version in Latin, nice to see someone else caught that too :D
TrueVengeance
behind blue eyes
I LOVE love love this episode (almost as much as The Gift)! You don't see many Anya episodes, and I think this one does a really good job of explaining what exactly has been running through her mind. How she doesn't want to feel remorse about what she does, but she does feel it anyway. At the end when she offered herself up, I think she truly wanted to die at that point. She didn't have anything else to live for...which I think says alot as well.
As for Buffy, I don't think it was ooc for her, nor was she a bad friend. She had never been close to Anya like Xander...or god even Willow had. Buffy
had been pretty tolerant with Anya so far I think. Remember that Willow was only evil for a day or so, and Anya was a demon for months. And these killings weren't the first issue...we know other wishes haven't gone so well either (worm???)
As for Buffy, I don't think it was ooc for her, nor was she a bad friend. She had never been close to Anya like Xander...or god even Willow had. Buffy
had been pretty tolerant with Anya so far I think. Remember that Willow was only evil for a day or so, and Anya was a demon for months. And these killings weren't the first issue...we know other wishes haven't gone so well either (worm???)
buffetofsporks
Sir Gaga
Really good Anya episode, I think. She has depth, and she's one of my favorites...
However. 🙂
This whole issue is rather simple. Let's break it down, shall we?
1. Buffy fights AND KILLS vampires, demons, and the forces of evil...
2. When Anya killed those fratboys ... she was a demon. An evil thing. What she did was horrific.
3. When Spike (with soul) did his killing in season seven, he was under someone else's (another evil thing) control.
4. When Willow did her vengeance kill, she was NOT an evil thing. She had a soul. However, need I remind you that Buffy WAS prepared to kill Willow, or at least attempt it, when she was bad. Xander got to her first. He saved her from that, as we all remember.
Whether or not you agree with Buffy's assertion to kill Anya in 'Selfless', that doesn't matter. It was the right thing to do for Buffy. Please refer back to point number one. It was Buffy's job. It's a crappy job, yes. But she wasn't being a 'bad friend'. She was being a 'good slayer'.
And now I'm done. All in all, though, great episode. 🙂
However. 🙂
This whole issue is rather simple. Let's break it down, shall we?
1. Buffy fights AND KILLS vampires, demons, and the forces of evil...
2. When Anya killed those fratboys ... she was a demon. An evil thing. What she did was horrific.
3. When Spike (with soul) did his killing in season seven, he was under someone else's (another evil thing) control.
4. When Willow did her vengeance kill, she was NOT an evil thing. She had a soul. However, need I remind you that Buffy WAS prepared to kill Willow, or at least attempt it, when she was bad. Xander got to her first. He saved her from that, as we all remember.
Whether or not you agree with Buffy's assertion to kill Anya in 'Selfless', that doesn't matter. It was the right thing to do for Buffy. Please refer back to point number one. It was Buffy's job. It's a crappy job, yes. But she wasn't being a 'bad friend'. She was being a 'good slayer'.
And now I'm done. All in all, though, great episode. 🙂
Kean
Kinda couldn't agree more:)
B
Blondie Bear
I like your point so much that I'm hallucinating that I made it . . . unless I did in another thread. Sigh. I'm going insane.
But if she was a better friend, she would have been able to help Anya without having to be a 'good slayer'. And thus not nearly killing her. While Anya was willing to take it back and sacrifice herself Buffy didn't know this because she didn't take the time to find out. You're right she was doing her job, and doing it well. I still think though with all she's been through she wouldn't kill her friend without trying to stop Anya first. Like how she tried to help Willow before she went all killer girl.