So ya'll remeber this ep? I thought it was AMAZING! when you watched it for the first time did you think Buffy was really gonna kill anya? I wasn't sure...but I thought it was definitely a possiblility. I felt so bad for Xander and Anya there at the end! i wish they'd just stay together!!! *sigh*
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VisionGuy
Oh Plerr
This episode was really good. I just couldn't stand Xander's hypocricy in the whole situation. He was all for killing Angel when he was Angelus but not for killing Anya when she was a vengeance demon. Especially since she knew exactly what she was doing unlike Angel who wasn't himself. Other than that, great episode. I loved the Buffy and Anya showdown.
UlaGan
Sunnydweller
Yeah, I was afraid that Buffy was going to actually Kill Anya too.
Felt relieved when Buffy cooled down.
Actually, did you notice?: Anya's probably the least fortunate character in last 2 seasons. Too much fell down on her: broken wedding, disgrace from fellow demons for softheartness, return to mortality again, severals attempts of killing her, and final very brutal death. Poor Anya.
Well, after their break-up at the wedding I didn't believe in whole Xanya future. Sunch things mostly happen in bad soaps and Buffy's way better series, ain't them?
Felt relieved when Buffy cooled down.
Actually, did you notice?: Anya's probably the least fortunate character in last 2 seasons. Too much fell down on her: broken wedding, disgrace from fellow demons for softheartness, return to mortality again, severals attempts of killing her, and final very brutal death. Poor Anya.
Well, after their break-up at the wedding I didn't believe in whole Xanya future. Sunch things mostly happen in bad soaps and Buffy's way better series, ain't them?
One of her best episodes, She speaks swedish, turns someone into a troll!! sings, crys, kills, sacrifices, I loved it, it was very sad for Xander/Anya, Buffy definitely not a great friend. Anya was great kicking B's ass. haha Anyway I thought this was one of her best episodes,"You're apologizing to me what fight are you watching? or is this one of your pop culture references I don't get because I'm a vengou.."Then she gets stabbed and the scene ends :cry: The ending when she was willing to sacrifice herself was beautiful and sad :cry: After that when they talk but don't get back together made me even sadder :cry: But at least Anya was alive, so I could deal. I love Anya, always and forever!
Randy Giles
Two sides to every soul.
Buffy was a bitch in this episode. She was a lot less harsh on a lot of other people for doing things just as bad. I was almost hoping Anya would seriously cripple her...in a way that would have her down for two or three episodes at least.
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But then we might not like Anya as much for hurting Buffy and we can't have that! Everything Anya did, besides Spike, I loved!
Randy Giles
Two sides to every soul.
Blondie Bear
Zydrate Addict
I think this arc (like so many in Season 7) went a little too fast, but the whole problem had been building for awhile. It wasn't like Buffy woke up one day and said, "I think I'll kill Anya today!" Anya had been the cause of the death of a whole fraternity most recently, and before that a lot of other chaotic stuff that led to pain and suffering. If it had been just another demon--Hallie, say--killing her wouldn't have been a question. Buffy had the right perspective, but didn't handle the whole thing quite as well as she might have.
TabulaRasa
Buffy Girl
BuffyBloke
Buffy's Man
Actually I thought Buffy came across hypercritical herself, she's made allowances for Spike and Angel then yet when Anya goes on a killing spree she's all "She has to die."
I can see both sides of the argument and I still to this day, not entirely sure which side I am on. I love Anya, but Buffy did have a point - Anya chose knowingly to go back to her old ways and look what happened. With Spike and Angel it was sort of the same thing, but they were both being used by evil, so had no control over their actions if you get my drift.
I can see both sides of the argument and I still to this day, not entirely sure which side I am on. I love Anya, but Buffy did have a point - Anya chose knowingly to go back to her old ways and look what happened. With Spike and Angel it was sort of the same thing, but they were both being used by evil, so had no control over their actions if you get my drift.
But Anya becoming a 'Demon' again then makes her controlled by evil and D'Hoffry. The choice she made to become a vengeance demon was brought on by the actions of others onto her. If she wasn't in pain with no one to turn to she would never have made that choice. But by choosing to become a demon again, that may be debated that just because of that she was worse then Angel/Spike but I disagree. While she was evil she felt sorry for her victims. While she was evil she wanted to help people. The women scorned she wanted to help them in a way and after she saw what she had become she wanted to go back and change what she did, all while she was evil.
One of my favorite cliche-y phrases in life: 10% of life is what happens to you, 90% is how you choose to deal with it.
The most used word in your post is "choice". Watching this Anya arc is hard, 'cause you just love her and feel for her so much and yeah, a part of me says "I can see why she went vengence-y again..", but, she chose it. Anya chose to re-vengence. Anya chose to sick a gnarly spider on a whole fraternity. No one else. And as a comment on this whole thread and not just your post, Gategod, I didn't see Buffy as a bitch at all in this episode. I actually felt the opposite - this was a hard ass thing to come to terms with for The Slayer and I have little doubt it tore her up inside knowing what she had to do.
This being the same Slayer who when asked if she'd sacrifice her life again for Dawn, said "No". The Slayer is a slayer, it's all about the mission... 'n stuff.
angeldork
Townie
I liked this episode because it's finally outed that Xander lied in 'Becoming Part 2' of season 2. But I think what I didn't like about it was that there was no discussion of it afterwards. I would've expected that Buffy, Xander, and Willow would've discussed it further; cause I know if I was Buffy and found out that Willow and Xander were having a disagreement about Willow had said pertaining to Angel....I would've wanted to know what the hell was going on.
November
Well you'd hope she would have gotten over it after 5 years..... But I didnt!
I really loved that episode. Finally Anya got one🙂 It was great to see her old times and hear that beautiful song🙂 I only wish they had shown how it happened that she got that bunny phobia. When she originally was a human, she loved bunnies!
In some ways I can understand how Buffy acted in this episode. She wanted to save people that might have been hurt by Anya, but I still don't think she did a right thing. She shouldn't just go to kill Anya, she should let Xander talk to her or just do it herself!
I agree with Gategod here, Anya didn't want to be evil, she wanted to help wronged women. She thought what she was doing was good, she believed vengeance is the same as justice. Because of it, I think she can't be compared to Angel and Spike when they were evil.
In some ways I can understand how Buffy acted in this episode. She wanted to save people that might have been hurt by Anya, but I still don't think she did a right thing. She shouldn't just go to kill Anya, she should let Xander talk to her or just do it herself!
I agree with Gategod here, Anya didn't want to be evil, she wanted to help wronged women. She thought what she was doing was good, she believed vengeance is the same as justice. Because of it, I think she can't be compared to Angel and Spike when they were evil.
FeastOnScraps
Potential
I remember crying during the break they took after she was stabbed, I thought she was dead for good cause I knew Emma had said she was leaving the show so I thought that was it for her. It was an amazing episode too a true highlight of season 7.
TrueVengeance
behind blue eyes
Sure she can. She hurt/killed/tortured way more people than they did. She was demon and so were they. She hurt people so did they, and they all enjoyed it. Anya may have enjoyed it because the women were wronged, but never the less, she very much enjoyed it.
I think the second time 'round as a demon she was almost worse than Angel/Spike because she once again after learning to be human chose to become a demon. But, I loved her in early season seven with the guilt factor! She felt guilty about it, and wanted to stop and change it back. Which says something right there
when angel lost his soul xander wanted to kill him becouse jenny said the soul spell is lost even to my people so there was know why to bring angel back
willow was good (got dark magic went bad) and xander brought her to good
anya was good (got demony went bad) xander help brought good she was even willing to give up her soul to bring those kids back
in Season 7 spike was good ( first took control) xander stood with buffy on the not killing him. he become good again.
xander killed his best friend jease,, took about killing ben was willing to kill vampire willow. and i belive would have kill anya if he had to he just wanted one chance to save her.
xander is not as bad as people think, most of the time
willow was good (got dark magic went bad) and xander brought her to good
anya was good (got demony went bad) xander help brought good she was even willing to give up her soul to bring those kids back
in Season 7 spike was good ( first took control) xander stood with buffy on the not killing him. he become good again.
xander killed his best friend jease,, took about killing ben was willing to kill vampire willow. and i belive would have kill anya if he had to he just wanted one chance to save her.
xander is not as bad as people think, most of the time
I'm not saying Anya wasn't evil. I just think that she wasn't as evil as Angel and Spike because they were killing people to feed or only for fun. Anya was sure she was doing the right thing, she thought she was helping the women. It's true she enjoyed it, but for me it still isn't the same as what vampires did. But it's only my opinion🙂
bradlee
hearts for xander
This and potential are probably my favorite season 7 episodes. It was nice to just see Anya for who she was. I really believe that she wants to be good. She felt bad for killing the frat pack, but she was resolved to stay evil. It was like a fallback. If you cant beat em join em. But inside she hated everything she did. I think that's why she was so ready to take her own life when The hoff gave her her last wish.
Washburne
Protector of the key.
She does. But not so good I´m afraid. I don´t want to ruin it for you but it´s just one sentence that I could understand without subtitles. Other words was ok, never whole sentences. But I love that they tried. The more swedish things the better. And as swedish being a difficult langage I was impressed they got a sentence just right. Awesome.
A good episode indeed. Anya get to be more than just funny and crazy. People with memory of course knew that a sword in the gut wouldn´t kill her (Older and far away) but of course I`d forgotten. And to kill Halfrek instead of Anya is a much "better" punishment than just to kill Anya. Now she has to live with the guilt. Even if D'Hoffryn sends demons to kill her afterwards.
And the thing about Xander wanting to kill Angel in the beginnig and not killing Anya now isn´t much of a stretch. First of all he loves Anya which cloudes his judgement. But on the other hand, now he has seen that you can rescue people who has gone bad. Angel, Willow, Spike (?). So why not try to rescue Anya too? And Xanders biggest problem with Angel wasn´t that he was a vampire (my opinion), he was simply jealous. Angel being a vampire just made it 1000 times worse and gave a "better" reason. And can you truly blame him för not liking vampires? Just found out they existed and knowing of Angelus past?