Serious Issues Raised In Buffy

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I've been re-watching Season 1 recently and I've been recognising the serious issues raised in this first season. When I originally watched the show I was younger and the issues really didn't hit home. But watching this season again now and Joss did an excellent job of bringing these issues into the public.

For examples, in The Witch this episode looks at the pressure many parents put on their children and the stress this can cause. In The Pack we watch students being bullied and victimised. There's also I, Robot -- You, Jane, which highlights the Internet problems and brings to light 'Do you really know who your talking to over the net'. It drills home the message to be careful. And the episode that most shocked me was Nightmares. This episode is centred on child abuse. The kid is in the hospital because his coach beat him to the point of death.

Joss made a bold move, especially considering this was his first season of the show and most people would have more than likely played it safe. He was subconsciously educating people/teenagers and younger children but doing it in a way that wasn't blatantly obvious.

So, I'm probably really slow at realising this...lol...but did anyone else notice any other serious issues mentioned in the show?
 
Well, this was one of the things that first made me love the show. But I don't see it as "educating" as much as, "bringing to the almost surface and discussing", lol. I think when Joss does it the best, is when he talks about these issues, but make them complicated enough for it not to be too obvious for us to see what side he wants us to pic. Kind of. Do you understand what I mean? lol..

There's also I, Robot -- You, Jane, which highlights the Internet problems and brings to light 'Do you really know who your talking to over the net'. It drills home the message to be careful.
This one bugs me though, lol. Not a great episode, and it's a bit too obvious what the message would be, and well, I don't necessarily agree with the message, so 😉
 
I think when Joss does it the best, is when he talks about these issues, but make them complicated enough for it not to be too obvious for us to see what side he wants us to pic. Kind of. Do you understand what I mean? lol..

Like he puts the topic out there for people to discuss but he doesn't cloud the audiences view with his opinion. He lets them come up with their own views. Is that what you mean, or have I read it wrong...lol..? i'm good at misinterpreting stuff...lol... 😛
 
Well, as long as we're in this vein, don't forget "Out Of Mind, Out Of Sight" from Season 1. A very lonely girl who feels herself invisible to everyone because she's always being (very cruelly) ignored actually does become invisible.
 
Well, this was one of the things that first made me love the show. But I don't see it as "educating" as much as, "bringing to the almost surface and discussing", lol. I think when Joss does it the best, is when he talks about these issues, but make them complicated enough for it not to be too obvious for us to see what side he wants us to pic. Kind of. Do you understand what I mean? lol..


This one bugs me though, lol. Not a great episode, and it's a bit too obvious what the message would be, and well, I don't necessarily agree with the message, so 😉
Epo did you see this episode when it originally aired or later?

Why I say this is that in 1996 the internet was in some ways a very different place - there was a lot more fear and a lot fewer safeguards. Even buying something online was seen as a dangerous thing to do for more than one reason. So I think the atmosphere in which that episode was created speaks to the message that came out of it and why it might be something you wouldn't agree with now.

Though I personally disagree - I have met a lot of people online and some I have met. However, I was (and continue to be) VERY careful about it and actively try to protect myself. Which I think you have to do, and a lot of people forget that or are never taught to be that way.
 
In fairness, you have to be careful about the people you meet in a Bar or at Work as well.
I do believe that The Internet can be a place where the wrong sort of people can use to abuse, but as long as you are careful then you will be safe.

I have to say on the subject at hand though about serious Issues raised on the show....its nothing new.
Don't get me wrong, I love the show and the way some of the issues are tackled are great and entertaining, but there have been other shows that have dealt with these issues and have done so rather well, both before and after Buffy first aired.

It is a wonderful medium to discuss issues as you get the enjoyment of the episode followed by the thought and discussion later.
I don't wish to take away from the writers of Buffy, I just wanted to point out that all Buffy did was take some of these long discussed problems and give them a supernatural tint.

Buffy Summers agrees: Agreed - but there are also plenty of show episodes dealing with people meeting psychos in bars and at work 😉

Sorry, my comment wasn't about why I, Robot was bad(or good), but was about how there are many dangers to contend with in general society. As long as you take every precaution you should be safe.....though even thats not a guarentee its sad to say.

Personally I like 'I, Robot....You Jane'.....even if the title is possibly the WORST ever.
 
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Agreed - but there are also plenty of show episodes dealing with people meeting psychos in bars and at work ;)
^ agrees to that BS.. but doesnt Joss do that throughout the 7 seasons.. explore issues that were occuring at that time? like look at season 1.. up to season 7 and how much the show has grown... its changed with time... and changed with different issues in society.. maybe im wrong... ???
 
I don't think that's wrong at all. Some of the matters raised on the show may have been contemporary to what was happening at the time, some are as relevant today as they were ten years ago. For example take a look at the issues we saw raised in Season 6 - financial hardship, juvenile delinquency-parental responsibility, addiction, marital commitment, outright sexual assault(!), and finally gun violence. A LOT of real world intruded into the Buffyverse in that season. Of all the seasons, I think Season 6 was the most explicit about real world issues (apologies for getting away from the Season 1 theme of this section.)
 
Like he puts the topic out there for people to discuss but he doesn't cloud the audiences view with his opinion. He lets them come up with their own views. Is that what you mean, or have I read it wrong...lol..? i'm good at misinterpreting stuff...lol... 😛
Yeah bascially that 🙂 I mean I'm fine with his opinions, as long as it not too obvious what he wants us to think. Like in, say, 7th Heaven 😀

Epo did you see this episode when it originally aired or later?

Why I say this is that in 1996 the internet was in some ways a very different place - there was a lot more fear and a lot fewer safeguards. Even buying something online was seen as a dangerous thing to do for more than one reason. So I think the atmosphere in which that episode was created speaks to the message that came out of it and why it might be something you wouldn't agree with now.

Though I personally disagree - I have met a lot of people online and some I have met. However, I was (and continue to be) VERY careful about it and actively try to protect myself. Which I think you have to do, and a lot of people forget that or are never taught to be that way.

I never saw it until about three years ago, so of course it was different back then. Ok there are too many reasons for me to dislike what they're doing in that episode, but I thought it was a bit too judging. Like, they think it's wrong for Willow to date online, and they end up being right. Sure it's nothing close to what they imagined (which is good) but it's still a bit too obvious imo. (Honestly though, I haven't seen the episode in a while so I should shut up now, mhm..)
 
Ok there are too many reasons for me to dislike what they're doing in that episode, but I thought it was a bit too judging. Like, they think it's wrong for Willow to date online, and they end up being right. Sure it's nothing close to what they imagined (which is good) but it's still a bit too obvious imo. (Honestly though, I haven't seen the episode in a while so I should shut up now, mhm..)

They're not saying it is wrong, they're saying be careful. Though I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "date online". Until there is contact and intimacy... and money is spent:silly: its not dating. It's just two morons messaging each other.
 
Yeah I'm tired and don't make too much sense at the moment. And I didn't mean "date" as much as "meet someone", doesn't matter what you call it though really.
 
Yeah, joss does this well. He uses stuff that's going on in the real world and makes you think about them.
 
Well first off, really great thread idea Jules! Something that really you can talk and talk and talk about (and hey, major kudos for that 😉)

I too think that Buffy did a really great job of raising issues from real life, putting them into the light, and allowing the audience to draw their own conclusions about it. And because this is a "sci-fi" kind of show, it really did give the writers a lot more opportunities to talk about these kind of issues, they could spin them a lot of different ways (and they do; sometimes the issue was right in your face, while others you did have to think a little bit). As for the issues themselves, I think, like Buffy Summers said, that they would be "dictated" a lot by the original time the show was aired and the issues that were of concern then (the world changes quickly!), and not only that, but I think that they had to keep in mind the general age of their audience/characters, the shows main direction, and how popular they were (so they could bring up these issues without fear of losing most of their viewers 😉).

For example, like BS said, back in '96 meeting people or buying products online would have been a much bigger concern than it may be now. It's been ten years, we know a lot more about the internet and have been able to do things to make it a little safer. But back then, it was still pretty new (I know that was around the time that my family first started using it), so keeping that in mind "I, Robot... You Jane" (and BOTD I agree, that IS the worst name in Buffyverse history :silly: ) makes a lot more sense.

In season one as well, everything was new in Buffy. They were establishing their audience and getting people to tune in week after week (aka us- the future addicts 😉). When they were filming the first season, I imagine they would have a general idea of who their target audience would be, but in television there is no sure way to predict whose going to tune in the most. Although the issues in season one were serious ones, they definitely took on a more "severe" edge over the seasons (from being ignored at school to killing another human being), at which time they would know who their audience was and what they could get away with. They also had to keep in mind the age of the characters, I can't imagine having sixteen year olds acting in parental roles, skinning people alive, and having the kind of relationship s6 buffy/spike did would have gone over too well- they had to keep it all in line with the story. (Which also ties in with the shows main direction, as it got older, a more solid fanbase, and older characters themselves, they could play around a lot more with what issues to tackle, and it did get shadier and less "everything is black and white" over the years).

But again, I do think that Joss and the writers did a really good job at targeting tough issues, even in their earlier seasons. Short recap of some of what was tackled:

Season One: Starting at a new school, being seen as "the freak", pressures from parents (sometimes all too controlling, ie: The Witch), adults praying on teenagers (Teacher's Pet), dangers of the internet, adults physically abusing young children, how profound an effect constantly being ignored by others can have, and dying to save others.

Season Two: Dealing with death (near death experiences and that of a loved one), dangers of college frat parties, not knowing what to do after high school, dealing with a parent's new boyfriend or girlfriend, sex and the impact it can have on a relationship, teacher and student romantic relationships, and steroid use.

Season Three: Running away from home (the dangers there, and trying to make it on your own), abusive romantic relationships and where they can lead (Beauty and the Beasts), cheating, suicide (of Angel and Johnathon), murders of children, killing another person and what that can do to someone, "silbling" rivalry taken to the extreme (Faith and Buffy), school massacres, breakups/heartaches/trying to put back together broken relationships.

Season Four: Dealing with college life, dangers of alcohol, drug use, homosexuality, more cheating and relationship problems.

Season Five: Family (both with Dawn/Buffy/Joyce and Tara), a parent getting sick, teenage identity crisis, being abadoned by boyfreiends, a parent's death, going catatonic (trying to escape the outside world), and again, death (of Buffy).

Season Six: Dealing with the death of a loved one, financial issues, depression, not being able to find employment, addiction, sex (the not so fairy-tale side of it), heavy drug use (was magic in the series but all the same), more heavily shed light on a sibling going into a parental role, rape, insanity, another main character dying, revenge (and more on murder).

Season Seven: Adjusting to high school is brought up again, councilling and teaching young people, another bit of suicide, more identity issues, trust issues, and revenge (Wood).

And I KNOW I missed a lot in there! There's been so much that Buffy covered in its run, and if you compare seasons one to six, it shows that as the show evolved, so did the kind of issues it tackled; and I really have to give BTVS credit for going for some of the things they did.

So ANYWAY, now that I've strayed almost to the point of not knowing what I'm talking about anymore (😉), to the point I orginially made, I really do agree that Buffy raised a lot of serious issues in some interesting ways, and that's definitely one of the things that I loved about the series. The episodes made you think, more than anything; brought up an issue and really did leave it up to you to draw your own conclusions about.

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wow, great sum up! in s6, you could also have marriage-related issues (pre-marriage plus being left at alter). and i also adore your sig AND avatar! tara/amber is so awesome!!!!! <3
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Great post
Season Two: Dealing with death (near death experiences and that of a loved one), dangers of college frat parties, not knowing what to do after high school, dealing with a parent's new boyfriend or girlfriend, sex and the impact it can have on a relationship, teacher and student romantic relationships, and steroid use.

I always loved the way Joss played out the impacts of moving into a sexual relationship through Buffy and Angel's relationship...because that does happen...you have this incredibly sweet, caring boyfriend who after you sleep with turns completely nasty. The theory that boys are generally after only one thing was really played out well (and ok, may be unfair to a handful of guys).

And your right angelic slayer about the fact that these issues were shown at a time when the audience can appreciate it more and relate more to the points being made.
 
yep, one of my fav themesin buffy is relationships, and different issues that relationships have and how much they grow and things like that.. if you get what i mean..
 
Yes, that was the message I think that Joss was trying to get through. Sarah Michelle Gellar referred to it as one of the most poignant metaphor of the series.
 
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