Should Buffy have been in the finale?

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I don't know if this thread has already been done - I tried searching the four pages in this forum for it, but was unsuccessful.

I heard Buffy told Joss that she would be in the season finale if he wanted her, but he rejected the offer. Would you have done the same if you were in Joss' shoes?

I would have brought her into the final fight with maybe Faith, Willow and Gwen as they had already been in some episodes of Angel...That, and I just really liked them lol :$
 
I really don't think she would have fit in, I am not sure why but Angel just fit in at that moment in Chosen, But Not Fade Away was very much about the Angel Gang, and I really don't think it would have had the same feel that Angel did when he came in.
 
I'm a little undecided about this. In one respect, Angel appeared in the Buffy finale, but at the same time Angel had been a main cast member of that show for three years, whereas Buffy had only ever guest starred in Angel.

It might have been nice for Buffy to have appeared at some point in season five but perhaps not in the finale. Angel was it's own show and it deserved to end on it's own merits and not as a crossover.
 
Here's an old article from TV Guide that might shed some light on what was happening at the time.

Buffy's Angel Reunion Nixed

by Michael Ausiello

Sarah Michelle Gellar

Bloody hell! This bites! This sucks! Whichever vampire pun you choose to express your feelings on the subject, the sad fact remains: Sarah Michelle Gellar will not be resurrecting Buffy the Vampire Slayer for Angel's swan song after all. As foreshadowed in this week's issue of TV Guide magazine (on sale now), the in-demand actress' busy schedule was a deal-breaker. But that's only half of the story.

You see, Gellar wasn't asked to appear in the series finale, she was invited to return for the second-to-last episode (airing May 5). Unfortunately, when that hour was being shot, she was in Tokyo working on the supernatural horror film The Grudge and, obviously, quite unavailable. However, she was free to pick up stakes in the spin-off's capper (airing May 19). So why isn't she doing that installment? Executive producer Joss Whedon didn't want Angel's send-off to "revolve around a guest star," he says simply. "We will deal with the issue of Buffy and how much she means to Angel and Spike, but I want to end the show with the people who've been in the trenches together, the characters who have lived - and occasionally died - together... the regulars."

Whedon's Angel partner, Jeffrey Bell, adds that the idea of building the finale around the long-running Angel/Buffy/Spike love triangle "seemed to undermine the bigger picture. [So Gellar was left off the roster] in the same way that David Boreanaz wasn't involved in the series finale of Buffy." (Boreanaz did, however, appear in Buffy's penultimate episode.)

Before you start sharpening Mr. Pointy and aiming it at the execs' hearts, you should know that, despite their well-thought-out rationale, at the point when they learned Gellar was free to participate in Angel's last hurrah, it was too late for her to do so. "We had already written and shot the episode [for which we originally wanted her] which emotionally dealt with [the romantic rivalry]," Bell says. "So, to go [back] and force her into the very last episode to retread stuff that we already dealt with didn't make any sense.

"By the time it became a possibility," he goes on, "the ship had sort of sailed."

Fine. So, how then will this much-ballyhooed (by us) May 5 episode give closure to Angel, Spike and Buffy - not to mention Angel/Buffy and Spike/Buffy proponents - when the superheroine in the middle of the muddle will be nowhere to be seen? "Angel and Spike arrive at an understanding - that's all I'll say about that," Bell teases. "And without her being involved, Buffy's character has come to some sort of understanding, too."

After that, the vamp-dusting ghostbusters will forge forward toward their final showdown (a two-parter airing May 12 and 19). "We're gonna get to the bottom of why we've been in Wolfman & Hart this whole time and what we're gonna do about it," hints Bell. And, though he refuses to drop any clues as to who will be "left standing at the end," he does promise this: "It's gonna be big!" As Buffy might have replied, "Well, duh!"

From Tvguide.com
 
I don't think that Buffy should have been in the finale. That episode was about the AI team and shouldn't be about a guest star like the article says.
 
no. Buffy did not belong in the finale of Angel. Buffy just didn't fit into that show...i don't know why, but for me, she just didn't belong there.
it might have been nice to see her a few eps early, as well as Faith or Gwen, but the fact remains...this was the finale of Angel, and the main characters deserved to go out on a high they created...without relying on a guest star, even if it was SMG!
 
I'm torn. While Angel was on the finale of BtVS, it would only seem fair that Buffy would be in the finale of AtS. On the other hand, Buffy didn't really fit in that show. As said, the final episodes of Angel were really about that group of people, and it might not have meshed well with Buffy there. It really wasn't a logical decision.

While I love the Buffy character, I just don't think it would've worked. It would've been nice if she was in one of the last ones, but not the finale.
 
I'm torn. While Angel was on the finale of BtVS, it would only seem fair that Buffy would be in the finale of AtS. On the other hand, Buffy didn't really fit in that show. As said, the final episodes of Angel were really about that group of people, and it might not have meshed well with Buffy there.

Exactly! Seeing Angel back in an episode of Buffy was familiar. He had been a massive part of the series and so having him appear in the final episode was appropriate. The same cannot be said for Buffy on Angel. It would probably have seemed forced and it would have been a shame to take away the attention from the Fang Gang for the sake of a guest appearance.

What i really do find a shame is that the events in season four Angel made it impossible for Cordy to have made an appearance in the final season of Buffy. Given the whole Jasmine thing it wouldn't have really worked but i would much have preferred to have seen Charisma back on Buffy for an episode than Sarah on Angel.
 
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Heck no! NFA just wouldn't have been as good with Buffy in it. I don't think she could have improved it or anything, it just would have drawn away from what was going on. People would have been more concerned with Buffy and Angel than the storyline. It's not like we hadn't already seen enough Bangel broodiness by then. 😉
 
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Princess_Zombie's post just reminded me of something...if Buffy had been in the last ep, then the writers would have probably made her choose between Spike or Angel...and we couldn't have THAT now could we? all those poor Bangel's would have been so disappointed! 😉
 
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haha I think they'd have made her chose and she'd just tell them she loved them both and nothing would actully have goten resolved.
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LOL why would we be disappointed we all know she would have picked Angel!
No we wouldn't there is no way in hell she would choose spike! If she did I would have to go all The Ring and jump into the T.V. and smack her.

Anywho on topic:
Buffy is too strong of a character to have in the finale in the same way Angel did in BtVS, but only a little bit. She would not have listened to Angel if he had told her to leave in the same way she did. It also would have felt too much like a repeat if she had showed up and done something similar to what Angel had done.
 
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I think she would have told both she loved them and nothing would have been resolved.
I heard that SMG would like to appear in ATS Season 6 (considering the fact that a season 6 would be the series finale if not it had been cancelled), she would fit in. And contrary to the belief that she would ruin The Girl in Question, all I want to ask is, how could she ruin it more? That episode was a disaster, it didn't fit neither in series nor in season. Moreover, I really don't think that Angel had fit in the BTVS finale. He was not part of the core group for a long time; never called, never wrote and suddenly crystillazed in BTVS finale. He just didn't work.
 
I don't think Buffy should have been in the last episode... i mean i know Angel was in Chosen but as mentioned above he was a main character for three years... it would have been nice to see Buffy in the last season but not in the finale... i mean it would have ruined things in a way and as said she would be stuck between Spike and Angel and that would have taken up too much time in the episode i mean we didn't really have enough time cos we never got to see what happened (that was probally intentional) but yeah no i was glad Buffy wasn't in it... Angel was good without her... but then again i would like to have seen a differnt angle of the last episode... but what is done is done!
 
If Buffy had turned up in the season finale, I'd imagine it would be to help Angel save the world. If that was the case (buffy's not stupid) she would have brought the others (the scooby gang and the other slayers) along. She wouldnt have gone herself with that much help at hand. If she had done this, it would have ended up another episode of Buffy. If she had come alone, it would suggest she was a bit stupid. The worlds ending and she has all those slayers and doesnt use them? Unlikely.

Also with her not being in the finale, it shows that Angel can handle things on his own. Without the slayer. He's just as strong (well almost) as she is and doesnt need her help. Just like the actual show. AtS can manage well enough without Buffy in it. So that should reflect on the characters. Angel should be able to save the world without Buffy's help.

That all made sense in my head. Hope you understand what I mean
 
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Well, i understood what you meant at least. Makes sense to me too! :)
And contrary to the belief that she would ruin The Girl in Question, all I want to ask is, how could she ruin it more? That episode was a disaster, it didn't fit neither in series nor in season.
Heck YES it did. Angel and Spike were seen fighting about her at different parts of the season, and they needed to bring some closure to the bangel/spuffy ships. I think it was good....though I'd rather have not seen a girl dancing in a blonde wig during the bar scene, as it CLEARLY wasnt a buffy...
 
I heard that SMG would like to appear in ATS Season 6 (considering the fact that a season 6 would be the series finale if not it had been cancelled), she would fit in. And contrary to the belief that she would ruin The Girl in Question, all I want to ask is, how could she ruin it more? That episode was a disaster, it didn't fit neither in series nor in season. Moreover, I really don't think that Angel had fit in the BTVS finale. He was not part of the core group for a long time; never called, never wrote and suddenly crystillazed in BTVS finale. He just didn't work.
I'm pretty sure that the question was would she have worked in the final ep of s5, I say she would have ruined it. Her in The girl in question could have been good, I actually liked TGIQ and I don't ship either with Buffy it left me with the feeling that both ships were OVER which to me, was a very good thing. (probably why I liked it)
 
Heck YES it did. Angel and Spike were seen fighting about her at different parts of the season, and they needed to bring some closure to the bangel/spuffy ships. I think it was good....though I'd rather have not seen a girl dancing in a blonde wig during the bar scene, as it CLEARLY wasnt a buffy...

Hey... in defense of TGIQ... I loved this episode.

IN response to the stunt double/girl-in-wig... call me crazy, but it does really remind me of Buffy. You kinda see a profile, and it really does look like Buffy/SMG's nose... There is just something about her that reminds me of Buffy. I think they did a nice job.
 
I think it was avery good likeness also. The only thing is, i think they made her hair too blonde. other than that, to me it looked like Buffy.
 
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