Spike as a Champion

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

I just finshed watching the third disc of Angel season 5, and Spike leaves to tell Buffy he's been resurrected. But then, he reconsiters, and desides he's rather she remember him dying to save the world, as a hero. I was really suprised by that. What do you all think of that? It seemed out of character for Spike. He always likes recognition for his actions...and doesn't he miss her terribly?

Maybe she finds out later, I don't know...
but what did you all think of that?

 

[Tueuse de Vampires]

Well, you say he likes recognition for his action. Imo at least he gets exactly that when he doesn't run off to Buffy, because that way he stays on her mind as the champion who sacrificed himself like that to save the world.

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

True. It just seems like he'd go right to her...

 

[Lindsey McDonald]

Yeah, they needed a reason to keep him on Angel, and the one they came up with was incredibly feeble. It does get more believable later on, but there is no way Spike wouldn't have returned to Buffy. He had just found the love he had been searching for for years, he even got a soul for her, and then he just abandons her? Pft....

 

[white avenger]

Yeah, they needed a reason to keep him on Angel, and the one they came up with was incredibly feeble. It does get more believable later on, but there is no way Spike wouldn't have returned to Buffy. He had just found the love he had been searching for for years, he even got a soul for her, and then he just abandons her? Pft....

Actually, when Spike popped up in his office all ghost-like, Angel, knowing immediately that if Buffy ever got word that Spike was back he could kiss even the most remote of chance of getting Buffy's cookies goodbye, secretly had some of the Wolfram & Hart shamen cook up an inhibition spell that would make Spike think that keeping Buffy ignorance of his return would be for the best. (That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.)

 

[Lindsey McDonald]

Actually, when Spike popped up in his office all ghost-like, Angel, knowing immediately that if Buffy ever got word that Spike was back he could kiss even the most remote of chance of getting Buffy's cookies goodbye, secretly had some of the Wolfram & Hart shamen cook up an inhibition spell that would make Spike think that keeping Buffy ignorance of his return would be for the best. (That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.)

Now that would have been interesting. Even has Angel getting corrupted by W&H's influence. Plus, we all know Angel is so respectful regarding other people's minds, memories and experiences!

 

[Kean]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...Spike bottled it.

 

[white avenger]

Seriously, as much as I would have loved for Spike to return to Europe and Buffy for a joyous taerfilled reunion replete with kisses, declarations of true and undying love, and the greatest fade to black in the history of the Buffyverse, if Spike hadn't have been there to clean up Angel's mess, Season 5 of "Angel" would have been pathetic.


(That oughta jerk a knot in somebody's plow line)

 

[Kean]

And exactly which mess are you talking about? Cuz I don't recall him doing any cleaning at all in season 5. Actually all I seem to recall is him talking big about him and Buffy but when it came time to bite the bullet and actaully speak to the girl in question (pun intented😉) he turned chicken.

 

[white avenger]

I seem to recall Spike taking over Angel's job of "helping the helpless." Regardless of whether Lindsey had ulterior motives in the whole thing, Spike's actions were sincere. He might have been a bit sarcastic to some of the "helpless" that he helped, but, honestly, who would be stupid enough to wear high heeled shoes in a dark alley at night without knowing that she was bound to end up with a broken ankle if she was lucky and two tiny holes in her jugular if she wasn't? Spike fought the war while Angel sipped otter blood in his penthouse suite.

 

[Karrde]

It wasn't Buffy but her double in Italy and anyways, Spike's a wuss. 😀
On the side note, he's a hell of a lot better off in Hell than any of the other guys, so it's better they didn't reunite. 🙂

 

[Kean]

I seem to recall Spike taking over Angel's job of "helping the helpless." Regardless of whether Lindsey had ulterior motives in the whole thing, Spike's actions were sincere. He might have been a bit sarcastic to some of the "helpless" that he helped, but, honestly, who would be stupid enough to wear high heeled shoes in a dark alley at night without knowing that she was bound to end up with a broken ankle if she was lucky and two tiny holes in her jugular if she wasn't? Spike fought the war while Angel sipped otter blood in his penthouse suite.

Spike fought the war? Wow, never knew that Crash Bandicoot was that much of threat!

 

[white avenger]

It wasn't Buffy but her double in Italy and anyways, Spike's a wuss. 😀
On the side note, he's a hell of a lot better off in Hell than any of the other guys, so it's better they didn't reunite. 🙂

The only reason that Spike thought that Buffy was in Rome in the first place was that Angel told him that she was, and it was Angel who paid a private stalker to keep an eye on what he thought was her, so if Spike's a wuss, Angel's even wussier.

 

[Kean]

The only reason that Spike thought that Buffy was in Rome in the first place was that Angel told him that she was, and it was Angel who paid a private stalker to keep an eye on what he thought was her, so if Spike's a wuss, Angel's even wussier.

Not really since Buffy knew Angel was alive🙂 Spike is still the big fraidy cat here😀

 

[white avenger]

I will grant you that Spike should have tried to contact Buffy, but even if he did try, it would have been an exercise in futility because until Angel told him that the Immortal was supposedly eating Buffy's cookie dough, the closest Spike ever had as Buffy's location was "somewhere in Europe." (what's the area code for "somewhere in Europe?") Of course, Spike could have always called his good buddy Giles. He would have gladly given him the directions to Castle Slayer and Buffy. Sure he would!

Regardless of should he, shouldn't he, would he, or wouldn't he, Spike couldn't have gotten a message to Buffy if he had tried. He couldn't have even sent a message by Andrew, because he was obviously in Giles' hip pocket, not to mention his tailor shop.

Spike couldn't do what he wanted to, so he did what he had to do: stay in Los Angeles and make life miserable for Angel, because he knew that if Angel ever got too comfortable at Wolfram & Hart, soul or not, he was as lost as Angelus.

 

[Kean]

I will grant you that Spike should have tried to contact Buffy, but even if he did try, it would have been an exercise in futility because until Angel told him that the Immortal was supposedly eating Buffy's cookie dough, the closest Spike ever had as Buffy's location was "somewhere in Europe." (what's the area code for "somewhere in Europe?") Of course, Spike could have always called his good buddy Giles. He would have gladly given him the directions to Castle Slayer and Buffy. Sure he would!

Regardless of should he, shouldn't he, would he, or wouldn't he, Spike couldn't have gotten a message to Buffy if he had tried. He couldn't have even sent a message by Andrew, because he was obviously in Giles' hip pocket, not to mention his tailor shop.

Spike couldn't do what he wanted to, so he did what he had to do: stay in Los Angeles and make life miserable for Angel, because he knew that if Angel ever got too comfortable at Wolfram & Hart, soul or not, he was as lost as Angelus.

True points all but the thing is Spike knew NONE of this. So the fact still remains that Spike chickened out, from what he knew at the time Buffy was very much reachable and he didn't even try.

 

[Angel's vision]

Now that would have been interesting. Even has Angel getting corrupted by W&H's influence. Plus, we all know Angel is so respectful regarding other people's minds, memories and experiences!

Actually there was one episode where Angel was quite happy for Spike to get out of there, he really didn't want him around, W&H had Spike bound to it, it was the amulet mojo stuff or something.

 

[white avenger]

True points all but the thing is Spike knew NONE of this. So the fact still remains that Spike chickened out, from what he knew at the time Buffy was very much reachable and he didn't even try.

He did try. The first thing that Spike did after appearing in Angel's office was to try to go to Buffy. The amulet influence kept pulling him back to W&H. Bu the time he became solid again, he'd already seen what a mess Angel was making of things and knew that he had no choice but to bail Ol' Broody out before he fouled up again. I'm sure that once he fulfilled his duty as a Champion and got Angel straightened out, or at least staggering back down the road to redemption, Buffy would have been his highest priority. Until then, things were so bad in Los Angeles that he simply couldn't afford the distraction of Buffy hanging onto him every step he took. Thanks to Angel's little mess up, Spike had a world to save. Again.

 

[Karrde]

Yeah, but even after coming back from Hell (judging from the Spike:Asylum), he stuck around, my guess is because Angel didn't...

 

[Kean]

He did try. The first thing that Spike did after appearing in Angel's office was to try to go to Buffy. The amulet influence kept pulling him back to W&H. Bu the time he became solid again, he'd already seen what a mess Angel was making of things and knew that he had no choice but to bail Ol' Broody out before he fouled up again. I'm sure that once he fulfilled his duty as a Champion and got Angel straightened out, or at least staggering back down the road to redemption, Buffy would have been his highest priority. Until then, things were so bad in Los Angeles that he simply couldn't afford the distraction of Buffy hanging onto him every step he took. Thanks to Angel's little mess up, Spike had a world to save. Again.

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I love how you still somehow manage to make Spike chickening out Angel's fault...it's funny really. Apart from his intial first attempt a leaving W&H Spike didn't exactly break his back trying to find the girl he claimed to love. It was much later when he decided that ANgel needed his help.