Spike & Buffy: Who's idea?

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I've heard/read various thoughts on who's idea it was to pair up Buffy and Spike, and wondered if anyone had any factual comments handy from cast or crew? I've heard that Gellar actually approached Whedon with the idea, but I've also heard she was less than enthused by the idea. Anyone know which is accurate?
 
I heard about what you said. She said to Joss that it's a good idea to hook Buffy and Spike up, but he said to her: "no more vampires". But he didn't listen to himself, and thanks for that. However, I didn't hear anything about her being not pleased with it.
 
I heard basically what Chosen Enemy did. But I have also heard Sarah hated the balcony sex scene and she thought it was degrading and felt like she had lost the character of Buffy. A lot of people take this line out of context and say she hated Spuffy season 6 all together. Less people, but still a substantial bunch take this even farther out of context and say she hated the idea of Spuffy all together. I bet you've heard from those people if you've heard she didn't like it.
 
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StarSlayer
Oh my God, yes! That line gets taken out of context way too much! I always want to stick up for SMG because of that!
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sisterofmercy
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PrincessBuffy16
PrincessBuffy16
I've seen your post, and I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about her saying the relathionship headed somewhere she never hoped for, I'm not talking only about that one expression.
I heard basically what Chosen Enemy did. But I have also heard Sarah hated the balcony sex scene and she thought it was degrading and felt like she had lost the character of Buffy. A lot of people take this line out of context and say she hated Spuffy season 6 all together. Less people, but still a substantial bunch take this even farther out of context and say she hated the idea of Spuffy all together. I bet you've heard from those people if you've heard she didn't like it.

I trust she didn't like that one. Understandable somehow. But as you said, she's NOT against spuffy, or Spike. I bet there were scenes with Angel that she didn't like doing. Or with Xander, Willow, Giles, etc. This doesn't mean she's against Angel or other characters.
 
Sarah's shipping preferences are all over the place. She loves Bangel, she's said positive things about Spuffy, and I heard she and Nick were heavily lobbying Joss for Buffy and Xander to get together in Season 7. I like that she's open to a lot of things, and that she's usually very diplomatic about shipping, lol. We all know how rabid fandom can get. 😉

Moscow Watcher just posted a quote about this in the Spuffy Discussion thread, actually: https://www.buffy-boards.com/showpost.php?p=932748&postcount=46
 
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StarSlayer
I love how she's very neutral when it comes to shipping :)
StarSlayer agrees: Oh my God, yes! That line gets taken out of context way too much! I always want to stick up for SMG because of that!
Oh my god me too! I'm always like "That's out of context and you're inferring she said something she didn't. Please stop."
 
The idea of Spuffy was so necessary for BTVS. There wouldn't have been any other budding romance unless a new character was brought on. There was always that tension between Spike and Buffy but it was never initiated. After "Intervention" I was sure Spuffy would come true...that episode foreshadowed it for me. Spike was always tormented and ridiculed for his past, not his present. Buffy was tormented for her present, not her past. They helped each other deal. both characters were seriously conflicted and easily influenced by "significant others". No matter whose idea it was, both actors accepted it. I think it made Buffy look stronger in the end because she gave up her pride.
 
I've never heard that Sarah was on board with Spike and Buffy getting together... I thought Joss said in the Paleyfest thing that he loved James and wanted to have a reason to keep him on longer, as well as do something "for the fans".
 
I've heard a lot that James, while he liked the idea of Spike falling for Buffy, didn't like the idea of Buffy falling for Spike.
 
Here's the quote for what I said:

Sarah Michelle Gellar was the one to suggest Spike become a love interest; upon hearing this Joss Whedon was initially quoted as saying "No more vampires!"

I know the start of the quote above is not the quote itself, but that's what it says everywhere. But there IS a quote at the ending!

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I've heard a lot that James, while he liked the idea of Spike falling for Buffy, didn't like the idea of Buffy falling for Spike.

James is known as a Bangel. Blah of him, IMO 😀
 
Here's what James Marsters said in 2007:

http://www.whedonopolis.com/articles/grand-slam-1-2007.html

I thought it'd be funny if Spike fell in love with Buffy and she never reciprocated at all and she tortured him over it all the time, and he tried to be good, in a funny way, and he would fail. Every time. I thought, 'That, you could run with for years! That'd be great!' So Joss doesn't really take ideas from actors, he just goes, "mm-hmm" and that's it, which is good when you have a vision, but I used to work with a lot of writers before in theatre, and when they couldn't really"¦ "collaborate" with me, I would plant a seed, and then it could be their idea. So I just told him I had a little thing for Sarah"¦" (Cheers, laughter and applause) "And I said, 'I'll wait for about a year, and I bet it'll come out.' And it did. Unfortunately, he told Sarah"¦ She comes up to me on set, she's like, (adopting girly posture and accent), 'Don't even try to deny it! I know, Joss told me. You're in love with me.' So I'm new to the show, and I'm caught, because Sarah is hot, don't get me wrong, but I always saw her like my kid sister who drives me crazy, but I love her anyway, you know? And so I kind of lied, but I couldn't! I couldn't tell her, I couldn't expose that I'd lied to Joss about that when I planted the seed and I also didn't want to tell her, "Yeah, I like you" when I did not, because there's no way out of there. So I just sat there and stared at her. And I felt so bad! Years later, when I told Joss that I knew he'd told her that, he went (gasp, covering his mouth) 'I don't remember that! I don't remember that!' It was so like high school, I couldn't even tell you!"

As to SMG, she said that she wanted Buffy to date Spike in "Entertainment Weekly" interview in Aug, 1999.




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zobothehobo
HAHAHAH Me too!
I've heard/read various thoughts on who's idea it was to pair up Buffy and Spike, and wondered if anyone had any factual comments handy from cast or crew? I've heard that Gellar actually approached Whedon with the idea, but I've also heard she was less than enthused by the idea. Anyone know which is accurate?

As far as I know, she suggested the relathionship, but didn't liked how it turned out.
 
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zobothehobo
See my first post in this thread.
I doubt any of the actors could influence the way the story went. I think they noticed the positive and vocal fan reaction and decided to go with it.
 
I always find it weird when I hear that Joss kept Spike cause he loved James. I've heard Joss praise James before so I don't know who's right, but in convention panels James always talks about how much Joss hated him, LOL. 😀
 
To be frank I don't think we'll ever know what the truth of the matter is sadly. Oh to have been a fly on the wall of the production offices back then. 😀
 
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