Update Staff Decision

[Spiral]

Seraphim disagrees: I leave it to the reader to judge whether Athena's tone or that of myself/my wife leaves more to be desired in terms of respect, decency, and attempts at understanding. Sorry, girl. I'm not letting you drag me down to your level.

Seraphim? do you ever look at what you write after you hit the reply button? You are about as pompous as your wife is a SHIT STARTER.

"My level" huh? well since you dont KNOW me to judge me like that, let me tell you what the level is. I'm a GROWN WOMAN, who happens to be FRIENDS with the OWNER/ADMINISTRATOR of this board. I ALSO own/run MY OWN board which is affiliated with this board. I'm a GROWN WOMAN who is speaking out on things that i have long observed but just havent BOTHERED to comment on because quite frankly? the low level that you try to imply on ME is BETTER applied to what your WIFE does both on AND off the board with REGARD to this board and its staff.

If OTHER members here dont know about what she's done...that's too bad because they will no doubt be left with more questions than answers but unfortuantely that happens when steps to STOP THE DRAMA are taken like this.

YOUR WIFE is a shit starter. FLAT OUT! If no one else tells you that...I'm telling you that and YOU arent much better considering the ONLY times you REALLY come here are to TALK DOWN to Buffy or try to take her to task over the SHIT that YOUR WIFE does.

instead of questioning Buffy about how she's handling HER board , you NEED to be talking to your WIFE.

Anytime you have a group of people holding private chats off the board ABOUT the board and its staff? that suggests that A) those people dont have much of a life and B) whoever is the ring leader REALLY needs to be dealt with because it was no secret that she was influening members of this board to behave a certain way.

The fact that STAFF MEMBERS bailed because of what this group of shit starters (your wife included) were doing really says something about how severe and EXHAUSTING it was and i'm gonna tell you something, if it had been ME? They whouldve gotten the boot WAY sooner than they did NOW.

The problem has been SOLVED, the case is CLOSED and buffy doesnt owe YOU any thing in the way of an explanation. if you want to pay the fees associated with this board and handle all the other tasks involved with maintaining it...then perhaps you might have cause to "hold somebody accountable" but for now? you dont have SHIT to say so go tend to your wife and leave Buffy alone.

 

[DrusillaRox]

Seraphim agrees: No temp ban, no infraction, no warning; the only "bad thing" on her record was one iffy post that got explained and resolved via PM.

Absoloutely, Your wife has been nothing but wonderful to the members of this board. And as for rampage's comments....That's just nasty and classless

 

[Washburne]

just that the accused get to know who's accusing her.

When you just simply misunderstood the point I was trying to make. But it's not like that would be the first time people do so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[Spiral]

Absoloutely, Your wife has been nothing but wonderful to the members of this board. And as for rampage's comments....That's just nasty and classless

about as nasty and classless as holding private chats with the express purpose of stoking the fire of drama on a message board and to make the job of the staff unecessarily diffcult.

oh but wait, this "saint" you speak of did just that.

 

[Seraphim]

Rampage:

-I don't doubt the honesty or character of anyone here. I doubt the fairness and expediency of the policy they've chosen to enact. Sometimes good people do stupid things. That includes the administration, and that includes my wife. All I'm asking for is the ability to determine one way or the other. The administration is saying no, which doesn't strike me as a good policy, and I'm saying so.

-If you hadn't noticed, I'm hardly the only one who's noticed that my wife isn't a bully. Reread the thread.

-As such, unless 9/10ths of this thread wants to, as you so crassly put it, "screw" my wife, I think you may need to take a deep breath and acquire some critical thinking skills.

Athena:

-If you're a grown woman, act like one and try adopting a civil tone like most of the rest of us here, instead of USING random ALL CAPS and repeated PERSONAL attacks AND profanity. 😛 To quote you: "I really don't care HOW you take that either." 😉

-I leave my wife to explain how the rest of your accusations are really just misconstruing benign actions. Oh. Wait. She can't, because folks banned her instead of hearing her out. My bad.

Peace.

 

[Spiral]

Seraphim disagrees: Buffy, how come I get a permanent infraction for a generalized "smacks of douchebaggery," but Athena gets nothing for repeated "shit starter"? Thxbai.

aww whats the matter? you can call the admin of this board (and my friend) a douche bag but you cant handle being taken to task about your wife and your own pompous nature?

grow a pair and deal with whats being brought to you instead of whining to the same admin that you spend your time TALKING DOWN TO on any other occassion when you're valiantly defending your wife for the messes SHE FREQUENTLY MAKES both on AND off this board with regard to this board.

 

[Revolver]

You know, I understand this is Buffy's message board and she makes the decisions. But as for some of the rest of you who are saying insanely mean things about Yellow Crayon, just knock it off. She can't even defend herself. What good does it do you or anyone else to drag her name through the mud? It's completely unnecessary, and just adding serious insult to injury. Quit it.

 

[Rampage]

Absoloutely, Your wife has been nothing but wonderful to the members of this board. And as for rampage's comments....That's just nasty and classless

I understand how you might feel that way if you are a fan of Seraphim's wife. And I hope you can see shy I might be irritated at seeing my friend so upset at the crap she has had to take while doing what for her is a labor of love at these forums. To see her upset at losing friends, fellow mods, going through stress for what should be FUN. Then once she takes the action needed only to have it all thrown in her face, and for her to be told that she is somehow shady or unfair..well it boils the blood. So playing nice is not the foremost thing in my mind.

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You know, I understand this is Buffy's message board and she makes the decisions. But as for some of the rest of you who are saying insanely mean things about Yellow Crayon, just knock it off. She can't even defend herself. What good does it do you or anyone else to drag her name through the mud? It's completely unnecessary, and just adding serious insult to injury. Quit it.

We would never have said ANYTHING if her husband hadn't decided to go about this...whatever it is. YC is where she belongs...AWAY from here. I am more than happy to not speak of her again, but you need to speak to Seraphim.

 

[Spiral]

You know, I understand this is Buffy's message board and she makes the decisions. But as for some of the rest of you who are saying insanely mean things about Yellow Crayon, just knock it off. She can't even defend herself. What good does it do you or anyone else to drag her name through the mud? It's completely unnecessary, and just adding serious insult to injury. Quit it.

oh and where was this righteous indignation when Buffy and her staff as well as the other specific victims of that clique who were being harrassed, disrespected and in some cases hounded off the board by these people whom she was in league with and very MUCH apart of? give it up.

 

[Buffy Summers]

Seraphim disagrees: That's what separates us. I would be backing even you or Athena if y'all were banned on an anonymous tip. Nice doesn't top my list, but fair certainly do

For the record, the tips were not anonymous to us. WE know who they are. Member testimony and evidence was only used to confirm the decisions we had already made, based on going over member posts and pm's to the staff. In many cases, what was told to us by members who spoke up helped us to decide against banning and give people that deserved it the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Revolver]

For one thing, they can defend themselves. YC is banned. That should end any issues you have with her, but you keep saying things.

 

[caitaintdead]

Can we PLEASE move on from bashing banned members?

 

[Rampage]

For one thing, they can defend themselves. YC is banned. That should end any issues you have with her, but you keep saying things.

To the point Seraphim is running HIS mouth, and we have answered him only AFTER he attacked the Admin here. Strange you do not exhibit the same protectiveness of her since you're on HER forum.

 

[Spiral]

Seraphim disagrees: This is real irony. Your tone in this thread has been much more a tone of harassment, disrespect, and hounding than anything you will ever find YC having posted here or anywhere else. I defy you to show a scrap of evidence otherwise.

try that with someone who HASNT seen the actual TEXT posted by your wife on AND off the board 🙂 you see, i mentioned awhile back that i OBSERVE. i've been her QUITE a while and just because i dondt POST as often as i used to, doesnt mean i dont OBSERVE and READ.

furthermore, there's no irony involved. its more like a "mirror".

maybe NOW you see how BUFFY, the staff who have LEFT and the expressed VICTIMS of this clique (which includes your shit starting wife) feels. like i said before, you dont know me so you dont know that i speak FRANKLY and i'm grown...a little profanity here and there is hardly the end of the world. You come here MAINLY to pester Buffy about situations involving your wife. INSTEAD of talking to your WIFE about it, you bother and often CONDESCEND Buffy (ive seen the things you've said to her before). How do you think that makes HER feel? oh but you dont care ...if you DID you wouldnt do it as often as you have and instead of trying to question HER you'd be doing what most husbands...wait come to think of it...i dont think i've ever seen a husband don his "captain save a ho" costume on a MESSAGE BOARD.

You dont like "REAL TALK" then get off the board because just as you can type? so can I! and What i have to say is not going to be tempered to suit your obvious inflated ego.

The BOTTOM LINE here is that you and anyone else linked to t he situation needs to realize that this is BUFFY'S board. She did what she needed to do to protect those victims and what staff she had LEFT after the nonsense caused by that clique. The situation is DONE and OVER. If you dont like it? deactivate your account and EXIT --->

and on a personal note? Buffy is MY friend. When i see MY friend gettin upset, worried and even HESITANT to come to HER OWN BOARD because of what people are doing to the community here or to HER? You better BELIEVE I'm going to say something about it and if you dont like what I have to say? TOO DAMN BAD! I'm not here for you!

 

[Seraphim]

try that with someone who HASNT seen the actual TEXT posted by your wife on AND off the board you see, i mentioned awhile back that i OBSERVE. i've been her QUITE a while and just because i dondt POST as often as i used to, doesnt mean i dont OBSERVE and READ.

Put your money where your mouth is, "grown woman." Quote one thing she's said that's been anywhere near as rude, crude, and/or vicious as what you've been saying about her.

If a little profanity is A-OK, then I'll put it in "grown woman" terms: Shit or get off the pot.

Peace. 🙂

To readers generally: Doesn't it strike you as strange that Athena, who is not a mod, seems quite well-versed in everything that supposedly led to YC's banning, while YC herself was not given one specific instance of anything ban-worthy she did? (EDIT: And let's not forget that YC is also being told that the information referred to is confidential!)

Is that fair?

Is that just?

I leave y'all to judge.

 

[Spiral]

Put your money where your mouth is, "grown woman." Quote one thing she's said that's been anywhere near as rude, crude, and/or vicious as what you've been saying about her.

If a little profanity is A-OK, then I'll put it in "grown woman" terms: Shit or get off the pot.

Peace. 🙂

lets see. well lets remember a post she made in which she not only called Buffy a drama queen (though clearly she is more deserving of that title) and tried to excuse her own less than cordial behavior.

but also in the thread where the 2 mods left, she also pretty much ADMITTED to being a bully:

"I spoke to several people and told them in very distinct terms *not* to post "

she was using her "influence" to make people NOT post on the board and MOST of what she did was behind the scenes in private chats. but the problem with chats is this little thing called "copy and paste" which makes it really easy to relay information in these supposed private chats 😉 not to mention the fact that MEMBERS who were victims of her bullying and the CLIQUE came to Buffy and staff while OTHERS STILL verified these situations.

To readers generally: Doesn't it strike you as strange that Athena, who is not a mod, seems quite well-versed in everything that supposedly led to YC's banning, while YC herself was not given one specific instance of anything ban-worthy she did?

Is that fair?

Is that just?

I leave y'all to judge.

oh give it a rest. i've been a member of this board for six years. several of the staff know me. Buffy's board AND my board are AFFILIATED and have been for some years and again, Buffy and I have been FRIENDS for ages. and i dont need to explain myself or my purpose of being here tonight to YOU or anyone else. like i said before, when it gets to the point where MY friend is getting worried, UPSET and is even HESITANT to log on to or TOUCH HER OWN BOARD because of the way she's being treated by her members? Yeah i'm GOING to say something about it.

"leave it to y'all to judge"?

how about you just LEAVE all together. Your wife is gone and its a WRAP. Nothing YOU do from this point on is going to change anything except continue to s how what annoying, condescending person you are.

 

[November]

Wow seeing YC banned is totally a shock to the system. I can understand why Jen, Harm and Anya are banned for what happened on facebook, but not Yellow Crayon! I'll defo miss Jen and YC. I've found myself logging in most days wondering what the next big drama is.

 

[Buffy Summers]

As was said before, this was a bigger problem than one conversation on Facebook.

 

[Seraphim]

lets see. well lets remember a post she made in which she not only called Buffy a drama queen (though clearly she is more deserving of that title) and tried to excuse her own less than cordial behavior.

Of course. Clearly, there was no chance that this post was an attempt to avoid further drama on the boards. Clearly, her subsequent apologies were not at all sincere and not at all an indication that her intentions were misunderstood. No siree.

but also in the thread where the 2 mods left, she also pretty much ADMITTED to being a bully:

"I spoke to several people and told them in very distinct terms *not* to post "

she was using her "influence" to make people NOT post on the board and MOST of what she did was behind the scenes in private chats. but the problem with chats is this little thing called "copy and paste" which makes it really easy to relay information in these supposed private chats not to mention the fact that MEMBERS who were victims of her bullying and the CLIQUE came to Buffy and staff while OTHERS STILL verified these situations.

1- Bullying implies threat, harassment, or coercion. Yes, she encouraged people not to post because she thought folks posting would only contribute to the drama and piss other people off. No, she didn't threaten, harass, or coerce people to get them not to post. Surely you've given Buffy advice on what to do before, yes? By your definition, if she followed your advice, you bullied Buffy.

2- Again, it seems strange that you, not a mod, get to look at the privileged "anonymous" stuff that is now being withheld from my wife, after Buffy expresses all these fears of retaliation, etc.

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Let's even assume, for the sake of argument, that the wife outright called Buffy a "drama queen" just to be nasty (still shy of "shit starter," though, I gotta point out...). Let's assume that the wife did indeed "bully" her "clique" into not posting on a controversial thread. The fact still remains, at no point was she given an infraction, temp banned, warned, etc. -- she received one PM from Faith that was reasonably resolved.

And, of course, as I've pointed out, you're warping what she actually did and how she actually reacted. There was no bullying, and her point re: Buffy was misunderstood and she immediately apologized.

So I ask again: Where, on or off these boards, can you quote a single instance where my wife is even half as nasty as you've been in this thread?

 

[Black Eye Guy]

Seraphim, do you post on here normally. If you know the situation on this board, that we wanted to rid the board of anyone that stirs trouble or disrupted the boards running slowly, why are you coming on here to do just that. I understand that YC is your wife, but if you want an example of what your wife was like on the boards, go onto her page and look at all her posts, you'll see her call Buffy a Drama Queen outright, you'll also see her say she was telling people not to post in the thread to not cause trouble, and then she goes as does that. I called her up on it, and she admitted to not actually knowing what was going on. Why would someone who doesn't know what's going on be directing a group of people, and telling them what to do?

I would love to not talk crap of the members banned, but I also won't let people say what they want without explaining our side of it, and unfortunately that does involve saying the bad things those members did, which is why they are gone.

Also Athena was a mod here on BB and also on AD, she's been around for a long time, but unfortunately she hasn't been as actively posting on the boards, but I can say she has been a big part of these boards over the years, unfortunately some of the newer members don't know here though!