Update Staff Decision

[Perny]

This is some major shitkebab. I see people who are my friends being banned, permanently because of...being shit stirrers? I know some of these come off strong a lot, but they are NOT trouble makers. I know them! I know I haven't "seen" those messages or whatever that the board might have, and I'm not trying to defend anyone, but I'm trying to understand. Because this is bull. A big stinky dull dung of bull.

I'm going on a limb and I will say that the members who have been banned has been someone the staff never really liked. Might not be true, but it sure seems like the board just got rid of the members they didn't get like at all. Whatever. This is too freaking weird!

 

[Black Eye Guy]

Perny that really isn't a fair thing to say at all, I can definitely speak for myself when I say I didn't have a problem with any of the members that were banned, I enjoyed having discussions with them, but that doesn't change the fact that they weren't always nice, at times incredibly rude or have caused allot of trouble on the boards.

As you say yourself you haven't seen the messages or the members who have reported people, but that doesn't mean they didn't exist. I can see how you think the staff didn't like them, if we have to keep correcting them, or keep at them to be better that is gonna come across as a personal dislike, but that isn't the case.

 

[InsaneMystic]

I'm shocked and sad that Jen is one of those banned, as she's become a very close friend of mine over the last few months. But I trust the staff to not have made any of the bans lightly, and that sufficient "incrimininating evidence" exists against everyone of those who are gone now.

The fact alone that the situation was allowed to progress up to this point (with fine staff members leaving who will be sorely missed), and that there was a full week between the point of decision that bans would occur and the decision on who exactly would be banned, proves to me that the bans were not made willy-nilly. It's obvious that something had to be done, and the staff got my backing on doing it, even if it means one less means of talking to someone I liked a lot on this board (and whom I won't like any less after this ban and hope to continue to talk to off this board now).

 

[Skanky Vamp]

Does it kinda hurt to see some people go? Yeah, it does. But would I rather see some people go (in an attempt to get the board back that we remember) versus the board itself go? Yeah. Does that make me a bad person towards those that were banned? I don't know. But we often confuse rights and privileges.. the fact of the matter is no one has a right to post here, we are allowed to post; call it ass-kissing or sucking up, I dont care, it's the truth. But also, YellowCrayon IS considered a friend, though if the Admin feels, for whatever reason, that to get a grip on the situation that had to be done, then it's their board- their rules. Sorry if that offends anyone, truly, I am.

 

[Skytteflickan88]

Just wanted to post and say that I'm glad something's done by about the bullying here on the board. I'm new here and I've only seen a little of this bullying and tension, but I've felt it. Hell, there's several posts in this thread I want to reply to, but I don't dare too, since the tone of this thread has been hostile at places, and I'm afraid me asking questions and questioning posts would end up with me being insulted.

So I'm glad Buffy and the mods are taking action to improve this board.

I don't know if the people being banned deserved it or not, I just assume Buffy knows what she's doing. I think it really sucks for you Seraphim that you won't get any answers, and even tough it seems from a few posts in this thread that your wife had to go, I don't blame you for wanting to know more.

 

[sk]

I just want to say that this obviously sucks but that I also support the actions made by the admins.

Personally I have never been apart of anything outside the board, or the chat, so to tell you the truth I have no idea what has been going on.
Therefore I have also stayed clear from any discussions about it on the board.

I will absolutely miss some of the names mention in this thread. They have all been super nice and great to me.

But I do trust the admins and if it is their judgment that someone must be banned, so be it.

My hope now is that this will settle down and that we don't have to read threads like this one anymore.

/SK

 

[Bluebird]

Goodness me, what's with all the yc hate? A few people have been banned, but no need for this. Some of the stuff I've read in this thread is worse than anything I've ever heard being said about any mods on this site. No need for anymore nastiness, it's really sad. 🙁

I saw what went on in the private chats, on facebook and everything. And yc was never forcing anyone else's decisions. I didn't post in the original Kean and Lyri thread because I didn't know what to say, I'm not good at expressing myself and I spoke to them both anyway on LJ and through pm.

I know what yc's intentions were, and I don't think they were ever to start trouble. But then maybe other people saw it a different way so I can say that I understand totally why the mods did what they did. Oh and one of the banned people was my sister, and I totally get why, so it's not like I'm looking at this in black and white.

I was almost not going to post in this thread, since some really harsh personal insults are getting thrown around. Words like 'shit starter' and 'save a ho' and saying Seraphim is only defending yc cos it's the 'person he is married to and hopes to keep screwing' are completely uncalled for. I know you're defending your friend Buffy, but there's no need to say nasty things like that. People arguing and personal attacks? Isn't that why we're all in this mess anyway?

Oh and I have nothing against Buffy, I think this is the best forum and from her point of view I know why she did what she did, so please don't attack me either.

 

[DrusillaRox]

I was almost not going to post in this thread, since some really harsh personal insults are getting thrown around. Words like 'shit starter' and 'save a ho' and saying Seraphim is only defending yc cos it's the 'person he is married to and hopes to keep screwing' are completely uncalled for.

That was exactly what I was referring to. That was completely unessacary

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

OK, see, this is the problem with lurking simply to see how things unfold - you want to say something (after this, I do promise I will TRY to not post here again!).

3things come to mind about all this.

1) People have been banned - sadly they just have to get over it.
This is Buffy's board, she makes the rules, she enforces the rules, she can have whomever she jolly well likes around here and if you don't like that, you don't have to stay.

2) The YC stuff. I thnk its fair to say that she was really liked by the people that liked her (if you understand me) and I was one of them, but from what I have gleened from this thread, its people within the trusted circle that are the ones that are making accusations. Doesn't really matter in the long run, just think people now will have to be careful what they say to who!
I would hope, however, that the meanness of the comments stopped.

3) The Kinslayer - fingrs crossed you'll get one of the new MOD positions!

Finally!

I'm going on a limb and I will say that the members who have been banned has been someone the staff never really liked. Might not be true, but it sure seems like the board just got rid of the members they didn't get like at all. Whatever. This is too freaking weird!

I don't think this is true at all - there are members here who are unlikeable, borderline detestable to some people, rude, obnoxious and not half as intelligent as they might think, but they are still posting, which makes me think that the reasons for the bannings are based on long debate over what people have done, their value to the community and the extent of what they did in this whole issue.


I will call back again lurking tonight, so to save people positive repping me (neg rep away, be my guest), feel free to send me a PM in agreement!

---------- Post added at 11:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:42 AM ----------

Aly Fan disagrees: Hang on, you're disagreeing with nasty comments being said about people, but this post is full of them! Hypocrite..

Sorry you are correct - I just re-read and wasn't clear.

I meant the mean comments directed at YC.

 

[Summers Blood]

I know that this is an upsetting time for some people but I would also like to say that I support any decision that Buffy and her staff have made for the good of the boards.

At the end of the day it's been horrible around here for the last year, and due to the constant bickering and snarky remarks I stopped coming on as often as I used to!

This board used to be somewhere that you could come and air your views without getting people jumping down your necks. Recently it's been cliquey, scary at times and some people have been damn right rude!

If the decisions the mods have made improve the boards, I'm all for them.... and if you don't like it, Leave!

 

[Mozzymandias]

Just gonna put my view in here about all this.

Honestly, I'm really not all that bothered about everyone whose been banned. Probably because I hardly if ever speak to them on the Boards. I met them here but they have all become better friends and I have contact with them on social networking sites and MSN contacts for them. It's not like Buffy and the team decided you're not allowed to speak to them ever again in any way. I'm pretty sure all the people who are good enough friends with the banned members all have contact details outside of the Boards so they can stay in touch. Of course, I understand the reasoning for each person's ban, well partially understand from little things I've heard. I can't quite understand YC's ban but it's happened, like Buffy said the decision is final and it's not going to change so it's better to just move on and deal with what's happened.

Buffy and the team have just decided what is best for their board, something I'd do at the end of the day if I ran a board which I felt was falling down the drain of sorts. You may agree or disagree with the banning but surely you can understand Buffy and the teams position if you do disagree and why they have done what they have done.

 

[Fusions2]

I am so glad to see a lot of people are starting to agree with whats gone down on these boards. I respect Buffy's decision a lot to ban a few members, anything to make this place so much better again. I feel lately there has just been nothing but arguments and bitching and just damn right back stabbing and its disgusting. Every descision Buffy has made members have tried to find faults with it and then cause an argument that goes on for days and even weeks.

Buffy has really given them a chance, she even made a commitment for change and got the whole Admin & Mod team in on it. Yet the arguing kept continuing, even more now Lyri and Kean have gone. At the end of the day this her board and she just wants it to be the best place possible. Sometimes we have to make hard choices and I know Buffy didn't want to ban members but shes looking at the bigger picture. I completely back her up all the way even if it means losing much loved members.

I run my own forum and I know exactly what Buffy goes through when members think they know better or want to constantly question everything. You have to be diplomatic and Buffy has shown that time and time again. This decision is another and I hope that everyone really does take note because the next time you log on this forum might not be here. I say good on you Buffy and the Mod team, I really do feel like this is the start of a new chapter in this forum and will give a chance for new members to see this place really does rock!

Keep it up guys! 😀

 

[Anya2012]

There's even bullying in this thread.

 

[Faith]

To readers generally: Doesn't it strike you as strange that Athena, who is not a mod, seems quite well-versed in everything that supposedly led to YC's banning, while YC herself was not given one specific instance of anything ban-worthy she did? (EDIT: And let's not forget that YC is also being told that the information referred to is confidential!)

Things seem to have progressed in this thread however I feel this needs to be addressed.

As a former Mod and affiliated Admin if we chose to converse with Athena that would be entirely our prerogative. However in this case she has not seen the confidential information so you can stop those comments right there.

When individuals approached myself and Buffy they asked that we keep their names out of it, their reasons are their own and no amount of pressure from anyone will result in us giving names.

This is not a court room and you are not preaching to the judge and jury.

We spent a lot of time on this before we made the decision, a decision I might add was not based on any personal feelings about the members.

At the end of the day, we have made our decision, we are not going back on it and we are not discussing who said what about whom. We took an informed decision based on the information we were presented with. Either accept that we have taken this action for the greater good of the community, or don't - it is as simple as that.

We are going round in circles which is going nowhere, if anyone is unhappy with the decision and does not wish to stay then that is their choice.

 

[Silum]

Yikes. Bye Jen 🙁 One of my favourite members on here.

I can already see that this was an incredibly difficult decision to be made and seeing the heat come down is a little upsetting, especially how vicious some people in this thread are!!? See, I have absolutely no understanding whatsoever of the breadth of the problems...and noone else does either! So all this defending is a little trivial really, you've just all lost a lot of friends and dont know what's been said. Props for Buffy for doing what needs to be done.

3) The Kinslayer - fingrs crossed you'll get one of the new MOD positions!

You might have been sarcastic with that one (?) but i'd like to second that notion nevertheless. Dudes the most diplomatic guy on here.

 

[VisionGuy]

It's a shame it has come to this but something had to be done. Hopefully this experience will help everyone grow and move forward. And if you have any problems with what was done and you're gonna continuously complain about it, then I invite you to use the handy "Log Out" button at the top right corner of your screen. Have a nice day. 🙂

 

[Angels baby101]

Alright so i'mma say a few things here...

Most of the members banned... i dont know them, so i cant say anything about them, but i can say for the people going oh no i didn't see how they did anything wrong show us proof.. well for that its kind of like witness protection to a point.
Why the heck would the mods give out the names of the members who have said to be harrassed by the people banned? I mean for all the mods know that could just start up an even bigger problem than whats going on now.who's to say that some friends of the people banned wont start messaging the members who helped the mods and start bashing them saying 'your nothing but a liar and so forth?"

I still stand with the mods i believe they have the proof that they say they do and i believe they are just protecting the members. It really doesn't matter about what we may not have seen. Its not a conspiracy what do the staff really have to gain from lying about things? It is really sad to see all this go down, this isn't the BB i originally signed up for i swear it seems more like a soap opera message board... I understand they were friends of yours and if you dont like it, you dont like it but stop bashing each other like this for crying out loud its a never ending circle...

My One year old son acts more grown up then some of you people

 

[Mesektet Ra]

Seraphim has the right to ask questions and defend someone he cares about [wife or not] if he chooses. Jumping down his throat is completely uncalled for. He's asking honest questions and just wants answers and I don't see how anything he's saying is overtly bogus.

Athena? Grow up. If you're trying to make a point, you failed miserably. I'd expect your posts to come from a PMSing sixteen-year-old. Seriously, name-calling? I really think it's you who needs to think before hitting the reply button.

In general, I'm saddened that YC got banned because I do kind of feel like she was singled out for having opinions, but the other members of the ban list don't necessarily effect me negatively - I love Jen to death, but didn't she flip shit a few months ago and wanted to leave? And I have my own set of issues with Harm, who I did enjoy having around, but his ban doesn't surprise me in any way. I didn't know Anya well enough to justify a banning and I bet the poor thing is tripped out because of it, but I just assume there must've been something done behind the scenes that I don't know about.

Seraphim is a smart and well-worded guy, so I'm going to let him take care of the YC situation her behalf, but I agree with what he's trying to do because I think he has the right to do it. That's pretty much where I'm at.

 

[Black Eye Guy]

Meseket, I agree Seraphim, could have a right to ask questions about his wife but. But he only comes on here to defend her, how can someone who's absent from the boards turn up after she's banned, asking for the information, if he wanted the information he should have been here all along to see it for himself.

And people only talked back to him in the same way he was talking to people, just to point out Seraphim was the first one to start name calling with douchbag, but why aren't you jumping all over him. He says she received no warning, but the entire board could not have been warned more, the last 3 months have been nothing but a morning.

And before you call Anya a poor thing, you may want to reread her posts, just to see how much of a poor thing she is.

 

[Spiral]

Seraphim has the right to ask questions and defend someone he cares about [wife or not] if he chooses. Jumping down his throat is completely uncalled for. He's asking honest questions and just wants answers and I don't see how anything he's saying is overtly bogus.

Athena? Grow up. If you're trying to make a point, you failed miserably. I'd expect your posts to come from a PMSing sixteen-year-old. Seriously, name-calling? I really think it's you who needs to think before hitting the reply button.

I think I more than made my point. If you dont agree with it, fine. I dont agree with alot of things either, like the ungratefull (and often disrespctfull tone) that several members on this board have long taken toward Buffy and her staff. regardless of what you think? I'm GOING to speak about it when it gets to the point MY friend (the OWNER of this board?) is at a point where she feels like she cant even log into her OWN BOARD because of how MEMBERS are treating HER, OTHER STAFF and OTHER MEMBERS.

You dont like what I have to say or how i say it? too damn bad. Doesnt change the fact that it is what it is.

Seraphim is a smart and well-worded guy, so I'm going to let him take care of the YC situation her behalf, but I agree with what he's trying to do because I think he has the right to do it. That's pretty much where I'm at.

Seraphim just chooses his words carefull enough to make it SEEM as though he's not harrassing/direspecting Buffy at more than one turn but I've watched him before. he really ONLY appears around here when something involving his wife becomes an issue. the often condescending tone he takes with Buffy shows how fake and phoney HE is. Again, i really don't CARE how you view ME because you dont know me from eve and your opinion of me is about as "precious" fake pearl.

I had PLENTY of other opportunities to comment on things further back than this but CHOSE not to. rest assured I was aware of what was going on and more importantly i saw the toll it was taking on Buffy who was trying to figure out the best course of action that was both proactive and FAIR all the while she was losing staff, members and PEACE OF MIND over the actions of this woman and her little clique.