Update Staff Decision

Athena: I like how you completely ignored buffyesque quoting the rules to suggest you should be kind and respectful toward your fellow members.

untouched: People around here are increasingly wary of one another because of stuff like "sudden permaban for no apparent reason with no warning." A big part of the tension, admitted or not, is between the members and the staff, and it won't go away by force of arms. It'll only go away by members and staff both committing to respect one another and treat one another with honesty, respect, and transparency.

Ed: That seems an awfully clique-ish solution, don't you think? 😛
 
you're real quick to tell her what SHE should do but what about supporting HER when she needs it? you sound like the rest on here...trying to question HER at every turn and yet not even realizing the very real problem that LEAD to this action she took.

you're here at HER leisure dear...so before you go around barking orders, you might want to remember that.

and yeah i'm her friend...a long time friend who CARES about her and KNOWS how much she's been HURTING behind the SHIT she's been given around here so i'm GONNA be here and im GONNA speak on it until you or anyone else that feels like they can tell her how to do her job on HER OWN BOARD to BACK OFF of her!

At her leisure? She created a website for people to join! She isn't doing anyone any favors. There's other Buffy forums out there. The same is said for ALL admins of ALL websites everywhere. If we all left, the board would be pointless! You create a site to get members, not to push them away or tell them to leave.

With that said, again, I agree that trouble-makers need to be banned! Especially if they threatened bodily harm, and caused mental distress. Where did I ever say that bad behavior is of the good? And if she were so hurt, this should have been dealt with right away a long time ago.

Are you a real living person? Why are you being so rude to me. I'm stating my opinion just like anyone else would, I'm not using caps (which mean yelling in internet lingo), and I'm not cussing.
 
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Dude, I've so been here, and it's a brick wall. We're all pompous and self-righteous except her, because we don't agree. Save your breath and be awesome with with the cool kids in the corner. :)
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At her leisure? She created a website for people to join! She isn't doing anyone any favors. There's other Buffy forums out there. The same is said for ALL admins of ALL websites everywhere. If we all left, the board would be pointless! You create a site to get members, not to push them away or tell them to leave.

With that said, again, I agree that trouble-makers need to be banned! Especially if they threatened bodily harm, and caused mental distress. Where did I ever say that bad behavior is of the good? And if she were so hurt, this should have been dealt with right away a long time ago.

Are you a real living person? Why are you being so rude to me. I'm stating my opinion just like anyone else would, I'm not using caps (which mean yelling in internet lingo), and I'm not cussing.

girl please. i dont have to communicate like you in order to qualify as a "real person" you sound like your other self righteous, high horse dwelling friend a few pages back (whatever her name is...i forget at the moment).

Sorry if i'm too "Crass" for your liking but that's really not my problem. Maybe if some of you were less worried about me and more concerned about what was going on around here that LEAD to these people being banned...you might be further along.

and you're right...there ARE plenty of other buffy boards altough FEW as well made /maintained or long standing as this one and you could have just as easily GONE to one of those boards and yet you are here , so whats your point? the board is for the members to enjoy...NOT to abuse and hound staff off the board and make the admin feel like she cant even come here.

yes..you ARE here at her leisure. this is HER board. SHE pays the bills and what SHE says goes. Anytime the owner of a board doesnt even feel like she CAN come to her own board...there's something wrong.
 
Actually, Athena, I think most of us are deeply concerned about what exactly led to YC getting banned. That's why we keep asking, even though the staff just stonewalls.

I don't think we're concerned at all about you, except buffyesque, who is kind enough to point out that your tone may be counterproductive to your intentions... to which you reply with scathing nastiness. But I guess that's your choice.
 
I'm not a girl. You do have to be respectful, it's in the rules!

From what I can tell, people were banned because they disturbed the peace and did not respect each other. So should you be banned then? You must be thick because for the second time I am saying that I get why the trouble-makers were banned.
 
Mr. Pointy disagrees: Sorry mate - you don't get to dictate board policy as to what gets posted where...your wife is banned and that is not gonna change anytime soon...get over it...it's a bloody internet message board not the Supreme Court

If you notice, I'm not dictating. All I'm doing is suggesting that putting a ban list up would be a Very Good Idea -- a gesture of goodwill on the part of the staff, not to mention informative and open. Jeez, y'all are defensive today. 😛
 
you're real quick to tell her what SHE should do but what about supporting HER when she needs it? you sound like the rest on here...trying to question HER at every turn and yet not even realizing the very real problem that LEAD to this action she took.

Whats that supposed to mean,i already sent her a support PM
 
you're real quick to tell her what SHE should do but what about supporting HER when she needs it? you sound like the rest on here...trying to question HER at every turn and yet not even realizing the very real problem that LEAD to this action she took.

Whats that supposed to mean,i already sent her a support PM

i was talking to Buffyesqye, Oneside. 🙂 It was a direct response to his statement.
 
I'm telling her that if she wants this problem to stop, she should come in and moderate the fight that was going on in this thread! Hurt feelings or not, an admin has to put that aside to do the job.

She did it well already by banning people. That's what should have happened (probably a long time ago), with no apologies given. If you start trouble and threaten people you don't have the right to be a part of said community. I don't know yellowcrayon, so I'm not commenting on that. But still Athena, I think that your overall tone is very off-putting. I'm a newbie and it doesn't make me feel welcome to continue being here (something that is important to forums, new people who stay!)
 
Honestly, I may not be around that much anymore but to walk in to this is terrible, I for one didn't even realise that there was any problems until I heard that Kean and Lyri were leaving.

Maybe that makes me someone who doesn't notice much or in my own kind of world but that's the trust.

I have been reading this thread, and I'm shocked at the amount of hostility I'm reading.

Do I think something had to be done? Yes i do, and I fully accept the fact that some members needed banning.

Do i get the urge to stick up for a friend? Of course, with no question.

But the hostility that has been shown on this thread is appalling; I get it, I for one understand that if someone gets banned they'll at least want to know why.

I've heard about the chaos, honestly? You're just adding to it. I fear if things keep going this way the Boards may not even continue to go.

If the mods keep getting abuse, they're not gonna want to log on and look after the board. With I would not blame them for. They do look after the boards, and they deserve some credit and some respect for it.

But I think the arguments really need to stop now, A well know and rather good piece of advice, You don't have anything nice to say, Don't say anything at all.
 
Can I just say that I don't think this arguing is doing us any good? If we're going to move on from this, we should do it nicely. Honestly, I'm thinking board unity activity? Get to know each other and all, or get to know each other again, reunite us as Buffy fans and put this behind us.
 
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Can I just say that I don't think this arguing is doing us any good? If we're going to move on from this, we should do it nicely. Honestly, I'm thinking board unity activity? Get to know each other and all, or get to know each other again, reunite us as Buffy fans and put this behind us.
i agree with you 5by5,this is a buffy site after all
 
Ed: That seems an awfully clique-ish solution, don't you think? 😛

The issues have arisen in the last year and a bit - thats verifiable. Best way to deal with it then is to get rid!

However, you should be aware my tongue was so far in my cheek that I look like a mental patient trying to paint with a banana!

Actually, Athena, I think most of us are deeply concerned about what exactly led to YC getting banned.

'most'?
I am questioning that to be fair - I don't think most people are 'deeply concerned' about your wifes banning in particular, I think at best a couple of people outside of yourself and maybe a few people interested with a view to being on yourside.

I think 'most' people just want this whole thread closed, situation over and to get back to posting about a beloved TV Show or rating a sig created by talented people!
 
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I believe 'most' people would agree with you 100%
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12 pages of arguing and hostility and gah it just all needs to stop.

What the hell happened to this place? It used to be all fun and homey and stuff, and now sometimes I'd rather just pretend it didn't exist. *sigh*
 
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Ditto on the arguing bit, some people just can't let things lie. Its so sad.
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I don't think it's either/or, Ed. I think most people (including myself) do want this to be over so the thread can be closed and we can all go happily back to our lives. OTOH, everyone I know of who knew YC even decently well is concerned that she got banned and, all things considered, would like to see an explanation.
 
12 pages of arguing and hostility and gah it just all needs to stop.

What the hell happened to this place? It used to be all fun and homey and stuff, and now sometimes I'd rather just pretend it didn't exist. *sigh*

Well I have 5 pages - I guess you have your posts per page set alot lower than me!

I don't think it's either/or, Ed. I think most people (including myself) do want this to be over so the thread can be closed and we can all go happily back to our lives. OTOH, everyone I know of who knew YC even decently well is concerned that she got banned and, all things considered, would like to see an explanation.

I don't think it is either, I just don't think its a 'most' situation and I am sure 'concerned' isn't the correct term for most of them.

You have an explanation, just not one you're satisfied with.
How many peopleare willing to leave the boards if the explanation isn't what they want to hear?

At the end of the day, you MIGHT get a private reason, should you stop posting here (and trust me, when I took my issue over the temp ban to Buffy to PM's she was absolutely honest and we dealt with it) but I doubt there will be some big board announcement, so people have to make a decision right now.
Do they think the treatment of YC is worth them leaving>
If yes, leave, if no, stay.

I am leaving for separate reasons and while I would like to know the full details of the YC issue because I am a nosy sod, doesn't mean for one second I would leave - sorry.
 
I've PM'ed Seraphim and we've talked back and fourth a little bit, and honestly I'm starting to see his opinion on the subject. I'm not saying I'm taking a side in the whole 29+6 vs Buffyboards arguement, but I do understand where he is coming from. Just like I completely agree with Athena sticking up for her friend, Buffy. Although I do think Athena does need to calm down a little bit. I completely understand sticking up for your friend, because I would do the same thing, but all this is bringing is more arguement. Look how this is going to look to Buffy and other staff here. Time out didn't stop the arguing, the 29 banning didn't stop the bitterness, and now the next 6 banning is still bringing more uprising. I feel like the mods here are going to decide just to end the board very quickly, whether they say it vocally or not. I don't condone any acts of harrassment against Buffy. Seraphim wanting to know the exact reason his friend was banned isn't asking that much. Pretty much what I'm trying to say here is that we all need to chill a little bit before the staff decide another course of action needs to be introduced, one we may not all be pleased with.
 
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OK, I have had a few hours to read and consider. Now consider this.

Suppose any of you start something, a business, a website, a charity. And suppose in the time that you administer whatever this is, someone comes into your establishment. During their time in YOUR establishment there is turmoil and they do things (along with others) that harm your business/charity venture. You lose two VALUABLE employees. You hate going to work each day, even though it is your money, blood, sweat and tears involved.

Now you decide that you've had enough, and you ban people from your establishment, whatever that is. Now their buddies and significant others barge in DEMANDING a "fair hearing" and "justice" and LOUDLY suggest to your other customers/friends/ people involved in your labor of love that their person of interest deserves a hearing and the right to know their supposed accusers, and that they KNOW that this person of interest did no wrong.

What do you do?

I tell you what ANYONE would do, call the cops. No one gets to tell you how to run your website, business or venture as long as you stay within the law itself. It is yours, and even the suggestion that you owe anyone explanations after the scenario I just put forth is ridiculousness. Due process is neitehr implied or guaranteed in this case, and the demand is silly on its face. That the decision is final and not subject to appeal is standard procedure for websites the world over.

I have been attacked for my tone since I arrived here last night, and perhaps with reason. If I cared about that, I would consider offering an apology. I do not. Because in the scenario above, I am the buddy that helps out every now and again in the establishment. I tell the unruly crowd to quiet down and remind them that they have no right to demand what they have barged in to demand. I remind the person involved that they not only have no leg to stand on, but they have a REAL conflict-of-interest. Trust me, as a married man with married friends I KNOW that if you love your spouse, you stand by her. You might also tell her something that isn't true or lie to others to protect her. It is for this reason that Seraphim's judgement cannot be completely trusted.

Especially when factored against the admin of this site, the person who has placed money and sweat for YEARS into this site, who has built a solid reputation (as evidenced by the fact that it still stands) and who has no interest in losing anyone, be it MODs or members. In fact, her desire to make this a place for everyone and her leniency has cost her dearly, and it was me witnessing that loss, that pain that inspired me to act by posting here in her defense. Because Buffy's reputation is solid, consists of the judgement of literally thousands of web users over YEARS of work, and is evidenced by the fruit of her own hard work.

Contrast that to Seraphim's wife. I do not know her. There are a few here who have professed devotion to her, that she was a friend, and sweet to you. Fair enough. But even her apologists acknowledge that she has made mistakes here. So which is more likely, that she has made more mistakes or that Buffy has done what she OBVIOUSLY hasn't done in years of Admin work? If you REALLY think Buffy capable of what Seraphim implies, then you shouldn't be here. PERIOD. Not for her sake, but for yours.

But for the vast majority of you who are saddened by the losses but love the boards, this needed to be done. There will be no great public airing of this because it is not warranted, is unfair to the victims, is not a right of ANYONE here, and because it is an affront to the judgement and character of Buffy herself as Admin that anyone would suggest that they need to look over her shoulder and double-check her decision for fairness.

And as for Athena I can tell you: mess with her friends and you get put on blast. You may hate it and wish for something else, but your chance passed when this thread got hijacked and the members here did not rise up to stand by Buffy with sufficient speed. You could have avoided reading her posts if you had only been better to Buffy. Some of you weren't, and now you get what I could have warned you was going to happen last night. Enjoy.
 
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