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Elithustra

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As suggested by Bored of the Dead, over in the Season Five Thread, perhaps this particular topic would have been more appropriate here.

I'll ask here, too!

What story arcs could have been left out of Season 7, in your opinion?

For me, I think the potential slayers was a bit... so-so. I mean, where have all these potentials been before?
 
I liked the concept of the potential slayers I just didn't like most of the characters, there were just so many so there wasn't enough time to develop them well and the main characters.
 
Principal Wood and his Mother Slayer!!!!

I think that this story would have better been served in season 5!!

I loved the idea of a Slayer having a kid but I think it should have been in the season Buffy was rediscovering what it meant to be a Slayer.
Having said that, season 7 was the perfect place for Wood/Spike.

Also I'ma defend the Potentials, I thought they were very important to the show and Buffy because to end the show they had to turn the 'one Girl in all the World' thing BUT it couldn't happen before the last episode.
 
The Caleb Bits.. I really didn't like him much, I think they should have ended the series with more 'Buffy-like' big bads, not a woman-hating religious icon... I think a big cliched lookin' demon would hav suited better.
 
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Caleb was the best type of character to finish on - he went against everyhting buffy stood for. the ultimate big bad! :)
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Caleb was only the "next to biggest bad." He was the First Evil's lackey.
Just a couple of things I didn't like much.. Kennedy.. or at least where they took her character. Miss Bratsalot, I was enjoying her character until they had her compete for Buffy's position. Which sort of leads me to the potentials. I get that they were needed, but you think we would have heard a little more of them before the last season on tv. I could get past that, but then they are everywhere.. and sort of saturated the storylines a little too much for my taste. Took time away from the core 4, or at least the characters we are already invested in.
 
Agreed. I just think it's a bit strange to expect that we would'nt ask 'Where have all these potentials been before?'. I think there were plenty of times throughout the entire series that we could have heard something about potentials. Dawn's arrival was hinted at from as early as Season Three, and yet for potentials, nada!
 
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They did mention how Kendra was a potential before she was called... but it was really brief
Sorry to double post...

I'd totally forgotten about that, but thereagain it's been a long time since I've seen Season 1-4!
 
Yeah season seven was busy but i honestly don't know what i would have left out. i like the potentials - they are pretty important to the overall story, i think it adds to the season that all these nameless girls come in and we don't get to know them - it makes it easy to empathise with Buffy as she's in a very similar position. I always thought Caleb seemed sort of stuck in at the last minute but i can see his purpose to the overall story. I did always think it was a bit odd that the first went to all that trouble to control Spike then sort of did nothing with him. I know his trigger was deactivated but, still, why would this have stopped the first from visiting and messing with his mind - particularly in the final battle, the first should have had a crack at him to try and get him to kill buffy (I always assumed this is what was meant with the whole "its not your time" and all that). But then i suppose Spike got a pretty decent run in S.7 - just seemed odd in a narrative sense.
 
ILLYRIAN
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As I put in my fanfic, the amulet was from God and as such the First couldn't get to Spike. The reason of the link between God and the amulet ? Who would want to destroy the evil more ?
As has been pointed out before, Season 7 had enough story arcs in it to have kept the cast busy for at least another three years, and it should most definitely be trimmed down considerably. The biggest piece of dead wood that I would remove would be the entire Willow/Kennedy thing, or, better yet, all mention of the First's plot to destroy the Slayer line. That would have given us a much more workable plot line, eliminating the need for the Potentials altogether, along with the Principal Wood part, unless he could've been working with Caleb, who in and of himself, with his army of Bringers, who could have been any other kind of minion just as well, would have made a perfectly adequate Big Bad. The return of an ensouled Spike and a reformed Faith ( a rivalry between Buffy and Faith over Spike would've made a great sub plot), making the whole season a perfect jumping off point for either a new Faith series, or adding her to Angel's crew (Angel could've used the facilities of W&H to either have the charges against her dropped or find some loophole allowing her to be on probation with him as her parole officer).
 
I liked the series the way it was, I wouldn't remove any episode(s), if you did, something else would have had to replace it. To have had that ending other factors needed to be there. The potentials were a vital part of the end, to remove Caleb or the bringers would bring about the need for other characters to occupy the screen time, to me they fitted into the series well, plus Nathan is a very good actor.
It's okay to say I didn't like this character or that character, but in the end, you may have disliked the replacement even more, or heaven forbid ! ended up not watching the rest of the series.
Joss did a good job of blending everything together. Like I said its okay to speculate about altering this or that bit, but I liked the show the way it was.
 
Yeah season seven was busy but i honestly don't know what i would have left out. i like the potentials - they are pretty important to the overall story, i think it adds to the season that all these nameless girls come in and we don't get to know them - it makes it easy to empathise with Buffy as she's in a very similar position. I always thought Caleb seemed sort of stuck in at the last minute but i can see his purpose to the overall story. I did always think it was a bit odd that the first went to all that trouble to control Spike then sort of did nothing with him. I know his trigger was deactivated but, still, why would this have stopped the first from visiting and messing with his mind - particularly in the final battle, the first should have had a crack at him to try and get him to kill buffy (I always assumed this is what was meant with the whole "its not your time" and all that). But then i suppose Spike got a pretty decent run in S.7 - just seemed odd in a narrative sense.

I am an advocate of the Potentials.
I think they are THE most important element of season 7 in the context of the Buffy story.

Her whole struggle has been about how she alone had to fight as the Slayer, her friends helped but even they didn't hold the burden she did. They at least could have a life, they may have helped in the fight which put them in danger but the Slayer has a Bona Fide expiration date.
The potentials brought that to the forefront of her mind and the end showed that she ould now have everything she wanted. I haven't read season 8 but I think that now she has been given that choice she will CHOOSE to be the Slayer because she knows its the right thing to do. Buffy hated the fact she had no choice in the matter.

Also, the power the First had over Spike was totally dismissed when the trigger was disarmed.
Adding a scene where the First tried to get Spike to kill Buffy and the others would have been pointless and add to an already busy finale.
I always assumed that the 'Its not your time' was for the final battle but Buffy and Co got there first.

I liked the series the way it was, I wouldn't remove any episode(s), if you did, something else would have had to replace it. To have had that ending other factors needed to be there. The potentials were a vital part of the end, to remove Caleb or the bringers would bring about the need for other characters to occupy the screen time, to me they fitted into the series well, plus Nathan is a very good actor.
It's okay to say I didn't like this character or that character, but in the end, you may have disliked the replacement even more, or heaven forbid ! ended up not watching the rest of the series.
Joss did a good job of blending everything together. Like I said its okay to speculate about altering this or that bit, but I liked the show the way it was.

ILLYRIAN agrees: As I put in my fanfic, the amulet was from God and as such the First couldn't get to Spike. The reason of the link between God and the amulet ? Who would want to destroy the evil more ?

Thats actually a rubbish argument.

If they trimmed down the pointless characters/story arcs they could have explored the basis for the season.
Without Wood, they could have really explored The First and made it the terrifying adversary that we saw in Amends.
If they took out Kennedy/Willow then they would have had time to explore more of Spike/Giles/Buffy.

Your argument that they would add something else we might not like falls flat because most people aren't asking for something to be taken out so something similar but different can be brought in, its so that storylines that were being played out could be properly explored.

Also your 'fanfic' suggestion doesn't work for numerous reasons not least of all because it goes against the core of the shows creator.
Add to that, the Amulet didn't 'destroy' evil, it put the balance back into the world that Willow herself changed...twice.
If God was truly behind the Amulet for the purposes of 'destroying' evil then he should have destroyed Willow as well.
 
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Oh good. I thought you'd gone all bouncy and exclaimationy after your last post. All is right with the world. Oh, and the points you made and stuff were good too.
I had a good laugh at your reply BotD, I merely pointed out that if something was taken out it may be replaced with something that wasn't liked, how does that train of thought fall flat ?
You put the fanfic suggestion goes aginst the core of the shows creator, any chance of you explaining that ?
You then put, 'add to that', if you meant as in the fanfic then you obviously didn't read it or you wouldn't have written that.
If you meant the TV series, then the amulet destroyed the army of the evil that stopped the evil getting control of the world, the balance was always there it was just that the balance was being tipped one way more than the other way.
But to put that if God was in control then 'he' should have ended Willow as well, I seem to remember Willow wanting the good to win, apart from when the evil took over her but she came back in favour of the good.
 
As I always find myself laughing at your posts.

You put the fanfic suggestion goes aginst the core of the shows creator, any chance of you explaining that ?
Well documented is Joss belief about God. To end up saying the day was saved by something 'God' did truly does against everything he stood for.
It is one thing to make a suggestion that even in his world there is a God but to place the final fights victory at the hand of God detracts from everything the storyteller tried to convey.

You then put, 'add to that', if you meant as in the fanfic then you obviously didn't read it or you wouldn't have written that.
I'm absolutely convinced I'm not the only one who hasn't read it.

If you meant the TV series, then the amulet destroyed the army of the evil that stopped the evil getting control of the world, the balance was always there it was just that the balance was being tipped one way more than the other way.
I read this and retarded oxymoron comes to mind.
You cannot have 'tipped' balance. If something is 'tipped' it is not balanced.

The amulet took away the imbalance created by Willow however, it created a new imbalance for the power of Good. This is wrong too.
If one side is more than the other there is no balance.

Willow was the cause of two serious imbalances.
One was the resurrection of the Slayer.
She gave The First the ability to dispose of one of humanities champions.
Second was awaking the 'potential' in all the potentials thus creating a new imbalance.

She was wrong in both and both have serious consequences that need/will be addressed.

Neither helps humanity as it needs both good and bad to survive as we grow from both. With one being more in power than the other stunts humanities growth.

Willow, twice in 2 years, caused a chain of events that have serious consequences on the balance of good and evil. She needs to be stopped.
 
Willow, twice in 2 years, caused a chain of events that have serious consequences on the balance of good and evil. She needs to be stopped.

Buffy was the instigator in the plan to "Wake up" the potentials, she discussed it with the group before asking Willow to perform the spell so Buffy should take some of the blame, and for the record her plan was iresponsible and dangerous and I felt that it shouldn't have been included. I wanted her to win against the odds without magic.
 
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Buffy was the instigator in the plan to "Wake up" the potentials, she discussed it with the group before asking Willow to perform the spell so Buffy should take some of the blame, and for the record her plan was iresponsible and dangerous and I felt that it shouldn't have been included. I wanted her to win against the odds without magic.

Would the plan even have to to the attention of Buffy without Willow?

Yes Buffy had the idea but Willow was the one with the power, Willow was the one that made it happen and Willow is the one ultimately responsible for a second improper use of magics to really seriously create an imbalance of power.
 
yeah true, but funny isn't it how Giles told her off for resurecting Buffy yet when it came to fighting evil it was ok for her to missuse her magic?
 
yeah true, but funny isn't it how Giles told her off for resurecting Buffy yet when it came to fighting evil it was ok for her to missuse her magic?

No it's not funny.

Both situations were different.

Willows misuse in the first place was a selfish act to bring Buffy back to life.

The second act was to save the world.

On a personal level the second one is for the right reasons HOWEVER, i'm not talking about those reasons, i'm talking about the bigger picture that deals woth humanity and its need for good and evil and its need for balance.
 
I didn't like that the potentials took over the role of the scoobies. I mean, it wasn't the slayer and her friends anymore. It was the slayer and her...slayers. Like where the hell were Giles, Xander, and Anya the last half of the season? Not to mention the extreme overdose of Spike :complain:

So yeah, potentials got to go 😛 Plus most of the characters were pretty lame (Vi for instance). I did love the Chinese One and Molly 😀
 
I love Spike, but I think the writers didn't know what to do with him for most of this season. I'd have come up with something better than that whole "I'm insane; wait, no I'm not; wait, yes I am but I'm possessed by the First; I want to kill everyone; I want someone to kill me" blah blah blah.
 
I love Spike, but I think the writers didn't know what to do with him for most of this season. I'd have come up with something better than that whole "I'm insane; wait, no I'm not; wait, yes I am but I'm possessed by the First; I want to kill everyone; I want someone to kill me" blah blah blah.

haha I meant so send you some Karma for me agreeing...started to type "couldn't agree more" when the cat jumped on the keyboard and cut me off 😛 But yeah, I couldn't agree more! Spike had been one of my favorite characters until that point.
 
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