Strange buffy theories?

[Xin Rong]

I was just wondering if anyone had any strange sortof conspiracy theroies about the buffyverse, for example one of closest mates nicole completely believes that in series 1, in the last episode angel somehow brought buffy back through some dark magick which he learned to do in the order of orileus and her whole logic for this theory is that it looks like hes concentrating on something while xander gives her mouth to mouth. also she swears blind that principal snider is actually a demon but when you ask her why she cant really giver me a reason other than he just so obviously is!! lol

 

[*Maria*]

LOL I herd the Angel one before but I still don't belive it. I knew of some some people thought of but fo rsome reson my minds blank and I hvae no idea what they were. But if I think of any I'll tell you guys.

 

[phoenixrising]

One of the funnier ones I heard was based on the 'Paul is dead' myth that srpung up around the Beatles in the late-60's. This one was that Willow was dead, having been killed and vamped during Buffy's period of self-exile in between seasons two and three. To not further depress Buffy, already reeling from the loss of her true love, they hired a replacement, Wilma Campbell, who was the same age as Willow and sounded like her. Plastic surgery changed her face so she was a double for Willow and it was actually she that we saw from season three onward.

The website that covers this has many clues that were spread out in the series to 'clue' people into the fact that Willow had been replaced.

Willow is dead

It's a cute little site and shows that many things can be taken a different way in another person's eyes.

 

[Xander]

What a bizarre theory. However some flaws in the theory I've noticed:

They use Willow's "Restless" dream as evidence, but how would Willow 2 know exactly how Willow 1 dressed in WTTH?

(Nitpicking I know) Techincally Buffy is the first scooby to die.

Its silly, but would be amusing to hear what Joss says about it.

 

[Xin Rong]

Wow what a wacky theory and that website is brill but use a lot of emotive language which almost forces you to believe willow is dead, i read it all and thought that willow had died but then i thought no shes not dead because theres just no way noone wouldnt notice!!! altough a better version would be instead of plastic surgery they used a glamour to make willow 2 look like willow 1

 

[nerd4hire]

Wacky Theories I've heard

* Kennedy is actually one of those demons Ashanti turned into

* The dragon Angel wants to slay at the end of Not Fade Away is the one that escapes in The Gift

* Jasmine and the First were in Cahoots.

* Wood actually works for the initiative. That's why he buried Jonathan. The principal gig is his cover.

* This one I choose to believe even though the DVD apparently says it's not true. The reason the first Ubervamp is tougher than the others is because those symbols carved into Spikes chest, and the special knife used to do it were part of a mystic ceremony to endow the ube with power.

* Joss Whedon is actually the Grand Poopah of the Priory of Sion. Really BTVS is nothing more than a series of cleverly disquised clues indicating Christ was married to Mary Magadalene, and they had a child. It's why Willow has red hair. Apparently MM was a redhead. If you turn the W in Willow upside down it creates a perfect M. The Holy Grail is nothing more than genealogical records of the line of Christ, and is buried in a crackerjack box in Joss's backyard. 🙂

 

[The Arcane]

I tend to believe that the first Turok Han we saw was enhanced in some way too, N4H. Possibly by the fact it was raised in the particular way you mentioned but it could just have been something as simple as that the First boosted it in the same way it boosted Caleb's power levels, as seen in End of Days. The First wanted to shake Buffy and the gang up so suggesting that she had an army of these super power level demons waiting in the wings was a great way to do that. It nearly worked too, as we saw in BotN and Showtime.

The rest of the regular Turok Han were no doubt tougher than the average vamp but perhaps no more difficult to fight than the average full demon.

 

[Xin Rong]

I tend to believe that the first Turok Han we saw was enhanced in some way too, N4H. Possibly by the fact it was raised in the particular way you mentioned but it could just have been something as simple as that the First boosted it in the same way it boosted Caleb's power levels, as seen in End of Days. The First wanted to shake Buffy and the gang up so suggesting that she had an army of these super power level demons waiting in the wings was a great way to do that. It nearly worked too, as we saw in BotN and Showtime.

The rest of the regular Turok Han were no doubt tougher than the average vamp but perhaps no more difficult to fight than the average full demon.

My theory is just plain and simple, the first turok han had been out for a while so had no doubt fed a lot whereas the others didnt really have a food supply as far as we know

 

[Croft Storm]

I love the willow theory, it'd have been so cool if they'd unveiled it in s7. I can imagine the First turning into willow(1) in front of everyone, so they realise that she's dead

This theory is one that I came up with in S5. There's been a few things to make it less believable since but I think it's still possible. When Angel got given a soul, so did spike. Here's why I think that:

-Spike was as bad as Angel, so why wouldnt the gypsies do it.
-Spike wanted to be turned because of his anger towards all his 'friends'. A guy doesn't have to be a vampire to want to kill people, so when he got given his soul it didn't really make much difference to him
-He helped a lot of people even before realizing that he loved Buffy. Would a soulless vampire act like that?
-His love for Buffy in s5 was more humanlike in nature. Take the part where she dies, you can see his pain, very unvampirelike
-Even when Buffy dies he carries on fighting the good fight
-This is the big one for me- when he 'gets a soul' at the end of S6 he doesn't change much at all, nowhere near the amount the angel did. Any small changes could be psycological (because he thinks that his soul is new).

I know there are flaws. Spike has sex a lot, but angel had sex with darla (AtS s2) without consequence, so maybe it has to be really special to work (like with Buffy and Angel). Anya senses that spikes soul is new in Buffy 7 (how she did that I don't know) but maybe she just senses it because spike now thinks he has a soul. There's probably something big that I've missed, but it's still something interesting to think about.

 

[Xander]

Well the gypsies crammed a soul down Angel's throat because he killed their most important daughter, Spike didn't really do anything to deserve being ensouled.

The commentary for Lies my Parents Told Me might be something you want to watch, as it discusses how Spike is more human and caring then most vampires. Almost as if he retained some humanity when he was sired.

 

[eponinethen]

* Joss Whedon is actually the Grand Poopah of the Priory of Sion. Really BTVS is nothing more than a series of cleverly disquised clues indicating Christ was married to Mary Magadalene, and they had a child. It's why Willow has red hair. Apparently MM was a redhead. If you turn the W in Willow upside down it creates a perfect M. The Holy Grail is nothing more than genealogical records of the line of Christ, and is buried in a crackerjack box in Joss's backyard. 🙂

Why oh why didn't I think of this?! It's so obvious! *Hits head hard*

 

[Cookie Dough]

-Spike was as bad as Angel, so why wouldnt the gypsies do it.

Angel killed one of the gypsies that's why the gypsies got revenge on him. Spike didn't do anything to them so they didn't do anything to him.

-Spike wanted to be turned because of his anger towards all his 'friends'. A guy doesn't have to be a vampire to want to kill people, so when he got given his soul it didn't really make much difference to him

I don't know what you're saying. Do you mean turned into a vampire?

-He helped a lot of people even before realizing that he loved Buffy. Would a soulless vampire act like that?

He did? When?

-His love for Buffy in s5 was more humanlike in nature. Take the part where she dies, you can see his pain, very unvampirelike

The vampire guy in the season 3 Angel premiere acted like that too.

-Even when Buffy dies he carries on fighting the good fight

Right but in season 6 when he thinks his chip stopped working he goes to bite a girl in an alley.

-This is the big one for me- when he 'gets a soul' at the end of S6 he doesn't change much at all, nowhere near the amount the angel did. Any small changes could be psycological (because he thinks that his soul is new).

Spike is unique because he retained more of his human qualities than most vampires do.

I know there are flaws. Spike has sex a lot, but angel had sex with darla (AtS s2) without consequence, so maybe it has to be really special to work (like with Buffy and Angel).

What are you talking about? ???

Anya senses that spikes soul is new in Buffy 7 (how she did that I don't know)

She looks into his eyes. That's how she realizes he has a soul. It's like when Giles got turned into a demon Buffy was about to kill him but she looked in his eyes and knew it was him. :crazy:

 

[Faith Lahane]

Ooh great idea for a thread!

I'd say the most. Erm. Interesting thory I've ever heard was that Joss created the Buffy series on basis of his own life. Lol. Here's how it works.

Joss created the entire Buffy series on a basis of his life in high school. You know, the whole slayer vampire demons and gods deal. The characters were based on his high school friends. Xander was based on himself, as he said in an interview (one of the buffy bites interviews) that Xander is just like a high school version of him. Willow, Buffy, Cordy, Anya, Giles, Spike, etc. were all people that he knew/knows with different names. The bads, Glory, the master, evil spike, angelus, the first, etc. actually targeted the slayer and her slayer-etts at one time. Well, I don't want to launch into everything. It's pathetic, really. Basically, everything that happened in the buffyverse actually happened to Joss and his friends um-teen years ago. This is how he knew what their names, looks, powers, purposes, weaknesses, and histories were.

 

[Pauly00001]

I had the theory for a short time that The First Evil was controlling Spike when he tried to rape her. I came up with this in mid-late s7, and my only basis for this was the look he gave to her after she kicked him off her. I believed "the look" was saying he didn't remember what he did and only remembered when he was in his crypt.

 

[Croft Storm]

ok a lot to cover here, I relise that this is very unlikely but it's just a theory...

-Angel killed one of the gypsies that's why the gypsies got revenge on him. Spike didn't do anything to them so they didn't do anything to him.

But the gypises were still good people. But if they had the power to give spike a soul then theyd surely do it to spike too, after all the worked together. Can't remember what the comics said on this though

-I don't know what you're saying. Do you mean turned into a vampire?

yes...turned (into a vampire)

-He did? When?

There's loads...in S4 mostly. Maybe he didn't do it out of care for the people he saved, but still.

-The vampire guy in the season 3 Angel premiere acted like that too.

Yes some do. But most don't. I'm just saying he could have a soul and act like he does.

-Right but in season 6 when he thinks his chip stopped working he goes to bite a girl in an alley.

I really don't think he did that cause he was hungry though. The guy just found out his chip was (supposedly) broken, who wouldn't want to go test it out.

-What are you talking about?

ok bit more explanation needed here. The curse used on angel gave him a soul which would leave his body when he has a moment of perfect happiness right? So if the same curse was put on spike he'd lose his soul if he had sex, but he does so often (or so it seems).

-She looks into his eyes. That's how she realizes he has a soul. It's like when Giles got turned into a demon Buffy was about to kill him but she looked in his eyes and knew it was him.

ok, but out of interest why Anya? Wouldnt everyone else see a difference too?

I know most of my points are pedantic, spike probably didn't get a soul. He changed very little in S7 though, seemed just like the guy in S5. You'd think that there'd be a pretty big difference between having a soul and not. I guess for Spike that just wasn't the case.

 

[Wicked]

i figured the ubervamps were stronger cos they were a different species (couldnt think of a better word there :s) of vampire. thats reason enough for me!

 

[eponinethen]

i figured the ubervamps were stronger cos they were a different species (couldnt think of a better word there :s) of vampire. thats reason enough for me!

Like, the first one was a different specie than the following ones? Since it was stronger than the rest..?

 

[Wicked]

i didnt really mean species. i meant a different kind of vampire. i guess i didnt make myself that clear.

 

[eponinethen]

Yeah okay, but still, you mean that that first one was a different kind than the following ones? Or that all vampires are different from each other and that it was just a coincident that the first one was stronger than all the others..?

(Sorry if I seem stupid, heh.)

 

[Wicked]

i mean that ubervamps are a different kind from normal ones. like anya once said that the gang have never seen a proper demon. vampires and things are hybrids of different things. tainted etc. ubervamps are older less tainted or something. do you see what i mean? somehow i cant seem to get what i mean out :s