Strength and Skill To Hunt the....

[CharmedSlayer85]

Okay so it's been pretty established that slayers, vampires, most demons are all stronger, faster, and have more acute senses than regular humans however what about animals? Like could a slayer out run a dog? Could Buffy take on a lion and win? Or what about Angel or Spike? If they had a fight with a bear would they have the same amount of strength or would the bear be stronger, cause they say a bear can break a man's spine with one swipe. Or Illyria, still in human form at full power could she take on a T-Rex and win or run faster than a cheetah?

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[T.I.P]

Heres my opinion. Wild animals would be too fast and strong even for a slayer/vamp.
A lions a different proposition altogether. How would a slayer fight one. Before she evn had
a chance her face would be in the lions mouth.

 

[Crazy Flakes]

I can assume that, unless they have access to loads of sunlight, can properly use a wooden stake, and know how to decapitate a human, a vampire would be able to beat out something like a bear (even though it would probably take a while.). Remember that a vampire can't die by normal human means, so getting mauled by a wild animal won't kill them. They could, however, get torn to shreds and want to be killed (like in season 8 issue 15, when Toru gets his hands cut off, he begs Dracula to kill him because he doesn't want to be left that way.)

Judging by strength alone, though? Well, it depends on the episode you're talking about...the show had terrible continuity when it came to strength levels. In one episode, Buffy can't break a little bicycle lock, and in the next, she's effortlessly kicking locked doors across rooms. But, if you're talking about them at the peak of their strength, I think a Slayer or vampire could fight a pretty strong wild animal (like a coyote) to a standstill, but I'm not so sure they could stand up to a lion. Then again, Buffy and Angel were both able to fight werewolves, and they looked like they were really strong, so you never know. Illyria, on the other hand, was probably much stronger than any wild animal before her powers were drained...but I think having her beat a T-Rex is stretching it a little.

 

[Atren]

Funny you should mention bear as she did fight one sort of 😉 And that did not really go too well for some odd reason. Personally i think they can take them with very good odds if they have weapons, otherwise it can get really bloody (but not hopeless i think). Illyria in full power depends if T-Rex had enough strength to actually hurt her? If yes then there would been some chance to win for T-Rex, but otherwise its no contest. Time alternation is simply too overpowering ability so i dont think T-Rex would get more than couple lucky shots at her at best.

 

[slayerpower]

It's never been mentioned that slayers can run fast

 

[palabravampiress]

I think slayers could take on animals if they had to do so. Same for vampires. Some of the demons that the scoobies have fought over the years have seemed to have had more in common with animals than with humans (the Queller demon, the hydra that Spike fought so that Dawn could bring back Joyce, those creepy egg demons from Home Ec class, the Doublemeat Lady's killer head, or the ascended mayor, to cite several examples). Claws... fangs... poisonous secretions... the slayer deals with these every day, plus human-like intelligence.

Of course, both Buffy and Spike did seem to prefer the Native American guys to the bear.

And I really don't think any of them could take a T-Rex. Illyria would stand a chance. Maybe. A T-Rex, though, is just too huge. It could squash most of our puny, human-sized heroes as if they were itty bitty bugs. A shark or a whale or a giant squid or some other colossal aquatic creature might also have the upper hand (when in its native environment) because, of course, slayers need to breathe. One of the vamps would stand a better chance, though.

 

[Kana]

Vampire can reach speeds that would make them a blur to the human eye. Penn was capable of such speeds and Angel was more or less on par with him. I assume that Slayers can do the same thing otherwise Spike and Angel would have easily out matched Buffy. I think Tim Minear said that the speed we see in the ep was from a human perspective.

 

[white avenger]

In one episode, Buffy was able to bend the barrels of a werewolf hunter's rifle without straining, and there was that time when she lifted that I-Beam when she was working on Xander's construction crew, so it's safe to say that her strength is far off the scale s far as what any human should be capable of, but she's never tossed a car at anything, so probably it's not up there with Wonder Woman. For argument, let's say she's 5 times as strong as any other human. In "Welcome To The Hellmouth," Luke says that he is stronger than she is, so let's say that the Slayer is as strong as the AVERAGE vampire, but some, (Luke, Kokistos, etc.) have her beaten in the sheer brawn department.

A couple of times, Angel has ben shown moving so quickly that he was just suddenly somewhere in one instant and somewhere else within 20 feet or so seemingly instsntly. I can't ever remember ever seeing Buffy do that, but then, I've never seen any other vampire do it either, so maybe it's a trick he picked up somewhere like Dracula's being able to shape shift (let's hope so, because if all vampires were that fast, the Slayer would be sausage before she could swing the first punch.). On the other hand, Angel doesn't move that fast very often, so maybe even he can only do it under certain circumstances.

Let's say that on a scale of 1 to 10, the average vampire's speed is about a 5 and just for the sake of argument that Buffy's is a 6 0r 7, which would make sense, because her superior speed would then be be the deciding factor in most fights.

So Buffy is as strong as the average vampire, but there are some stronger than she is, and faster than the average vampire, but there are probably at least a few faster. If she were stronger and faster than any vampire, and her strength and speed were typical of all Slayers, then Slayers would be virtually invincible.

So it's safe to say that both Slayers AND vampires are far stronger than normal humans, and the Slayer's strength is about equal to the average vampire's, while her speed is probably a bit greater. I don't think we could say, however that Buffy or any other Slayer, is stronger and faster than all vampires, because the series has shown that to not be true. We could say, however, that the Slayer's FIGHTING SKILLS, at least as her experience increases, is greater than most of the vampires that she's likely to encounter, which is probably for the best, otherwise the show would get boring very quickly. So in the match up of Slayer vs vampire. the Slayer would be more accurately compared to Batman than Superman. Her superiority comes from a combination of speed and skill, not sheer muscle.

 

[CharmedSlayer85]

It's never been mentioned that slayers can run fast

It was mentioned plenty of times that slayers as stronger, faster, more agile and have higher senses than humans, but they never really mentioned by how much. And there have been plenty of times when we've seen a slayer moving faster than normal speed, like when Faith was going after Angel in I Season Four, when Wesley turned around for a second and Faith was already on the other side of the warehouse.
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In one episode, Buffy was able to bend the barrels of a werewolf hunter's rifle without straining, and there was that time when she lifted that I-Beam when she was working on Xander's construction crew, so it's safe to say that her strength is far off the scale s far as what any human should be capable of, but she's never tossed a car at anything, so probably it's not up there with Wonder Woman. For argument, let's say she's 5 times as strong as any other human. In "Welcome To The Hellmouth," Luke says that he is stronger than she is, so let's say that the Slayer is as strong as the AVERAGE vampire, but some, (Luke, Kokistos, etc.) have her beaten in the sheer brawn department.

A couple of times, Angel has ben shown moving so quickly that he was just suddenly somewhere in one instant and somewhere else within 20 feet or so seemingly instsntly. I can't ever remember ever seeing Buffy do that, but then, I've never seen any other vampire do it either, so maybe it's a trick he picked up somewhere like Dracula's being able to shape shift (let's hope so, because if all vampires were that fast, the Slayer would be sausage before she could swing the first punch.). On the other hand, Angel doesn't move that fast very often, so maybe even he can only do it under certain circumstances.

Let's say that on a scale of 1 to 10, the average vampire's speed is about a 5 and just for the sake of argument that Buffy's is a 6 0r 7, which would make sense, because her superior speed would then be be the deciding factor in most fights.

So Buffy is as strong as the average vampire, but there are some stronger than she is, and faster than the average vampire, but there are probably at least a few faster. If she were stronger and faster than any vampire, and her strength and speed were typical of all Slayers, then Slayers would be virtually invincible.

So it's safe to say that both Slayers AND vampires are far stronger than normal humans, and the Slayer's strength is about equal to the average vampire's, while her speed is probably a bit greater. I don't think we could say, however that Buffy or any other Slayer, is stronger and faster than all vampires, because the series has shown that to not be true. We could say, however, that the Slayer's FIGHTING SKILLS, at least as her experience increases, is greater than most of the vampires that she's likely to encounter, which is probably for the best, otherwise the show would get boring very quickly. So in the match up of Slayer vs vampire. the Slayer would be more accurately compared to Batman than Superman. Her superiority comes from a combination of speed and skill, not sheer muscle.

You also gotten remember, when Buffy fought Luke she was only 16 and wasn't as trained as she is now. If she were to fight Luke and even Kakistos now she'd more than likely wipe the floor with them, cause she's now older, stronger, faster, and more trained. Also we haven't seen Buffy move as super fast speeds but we have seen Faith do it at least once, and Buffy and Faith have the same powers. And really we've never seen vampires do what Angel and Penn did in that episode in Season 1, I don't know how to spell it, but that was really the only time we seen a vampire move like that. That's the one thing about Buffy/Angel that was the most inconsistant, the strength of vampires and slayers. I mean one moment Angel is leaping up buildings and the next he needs a grappling gun. One moment Buffy claims she can't kick down certain doors then the next she kicking them down with relative ease. And we never really seen a slayer move and had as much strength as Dana from the episode "Damage," on Angel, it was like she was a super slayer

 

[white avenger]

You also gotten remember, when Buffy fought Luke she was only 16 and wasn't as trained as she is now. If she were to fight Luke and even Kakistos now she'd more than likely wipe the floor with them, cause she's now older, stronger, faster, and more trained.

You're confusing physical strength with fighting skill. Imagine this: Bruce Lee vs Hulk Hogan. Both are skilled fighters in their fashion, and there is no doubt whatsoever that the 325 lb Hogan is much stronger than 130 lb Lee. Miracle of miracles, the bigger man's superior strength is more than overcome by the smaller man's greater speed, agility, and superior fighting technique. The best fighter isn't always the strongest. Buffy doesn't HAVE to be stronger to beat a vampire, or several vampires, as she has done on more than one occasion, because her fighting skill is greater than theirs.

As for all of the other inconsistencies on the shows, I guess it's safe to say that the writers were CONSISTENTLY INCONSISTENT.

 

[CharmedSlayer85]

You're confusing physical strength with fighting skill. Imagine this: Bruce Lee vs Hulk Hogan. Both are skilled fighters in their fashion, and there is no doubt whatsoever that the 325 lb Hogan is much stronger than 130 lb Lee. Miracle of miracles, the bigger man's superior strength is more than overcome by the smaller man's greater speed, agility, and superior fighting technique. The best fighter isn't always the strongest. Buffy doesn't HAVE to be stronger to beat a vampire, or several vampires, as she has done on more than one occasion, because her fighting skill is greater than theirs.

As for all of the other inconsistencies on the shows, I guess it's safe to say that the writers were CONSISTENTLY INCONSISTENT.

Well actually I was saying that Buffy's fighting ability and her strength and speed has improved a lot since Season One. I mean look at Season Three "Anne," when she was struggling to lift up that gate or even Season One, "The Puppet Show," where she struggled to lift up the chandelier that fell on her, but Season Six she was easily able to lift up a bunch of metal things that were weighed several hundred pounds, she was able to bend steel prison bars for Andrew and Jonathon to escape from prison, Angel mentioned in Season One on his show that Buffy was slightly stronger than him, also using things realisitically most of us are stronger at 24 (which is is old she should be now in Season Eight) then we are at 16.

 

[T.I.P]

A couple of times, Angel has ben shown moving so quickly that he was just suddenly somewhere in one instant and somewhere else within 20 feet or so seemingly instsntly. I can't ever remember ever seeing Buffy do that, but then, I've never seen any other vampire do it either

Another good example i thought was in School hard, when that girl, the 'rebel' (cant remember her name) is walking along with two guys, and in a second, they'r gone, and she didnt see or hear a thing. Then she turns around and Spikes standing there. That must have required him to move at very high speed,very quietly.

also, the Master and Turokan can do this.