In the second part of the season two finale, it said that Buffy had to kill Angel to stop the portal from sucking the world into hell. Buffy stabbed him in the stomach with a sword. Now, if I know my Buffy lore, which God I hope I do because I watched it all 7 years, a sword through the chest wouldn't kill him. Anyone care to comment? I know the show isn't perfect, but yah know.
That wouldn't really kill him...?
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rene
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i always though the same thing she didnt kill him she just sent him to hell and yeah that shouldnt have killed him at all
SpikedBuffy
Love Isn't Brains
it didn't kill him... the sword through the chest and into Acathla stopped Acathla from destory the world.
as Whistler said: "One blow will send them both to hell"
So, one blow, sending Angelus and Acathla into hell.
as Whistler said: "One blow will send them both to hell"
So, one blow, sending Angelus and Acathla into hell.
SpikedBuffy
Love Isn't Brains
it's all right!
I miss things all the time too. It was an interesting point though, because I think it is common to think that Buffy killed Angel, when really, she just sent him to Hell.
I miss things all the time too. It was an interesting point though, because I think it is common to think that Buffy killed Angel, when really, she just sent him to Hell.
slayerangel
b/a always & forever
Buffy didn't necessarily have to kill Angel... wouldn't Angel's blood close it, too? Sorry, I haven't watched all of both parts of "Becoming" in a long time (weeks are a long time, right?).
If Buffy didn't actually kill Angel, why would the writers keep saying she killed him? The Buffyverse is messed up.
If Buffy didn't actually kill Angel, why would the writers keep saying she killed him? The Buffyverse is messed up.
SpikedBuffy
Love Isn't Brains
WatcherWes
When we were muck
LazyDolphin
Scooby
I may not be the mighty theologian that my mommy hoped I'd be, but isn't that kinda splitting hairs? I realize every religion has it's own take on the matter, but I'm pretty sure that a common theme in all hell/hades type mythology is that there aren't a heck of a lotta folks chillin' in Hell who are still alive.
I could be wrong. And if I am, I'm up for hitting it as my next vacation destination! Anybody with me? I'm all about body surfing on the River Styx! Kowabunga, Ferry Man!!!
SpikedBuffy
Love Isn't Brains
Well, considering, Angelus was already 'dead', and Whistler said the words himself.
Plus, dealing with people hanging out in hell who are not alive... well, Angel was tortured in Hell for what seemed like years to him (which was only a matter of months)...and then he came back.
While I see your point, Lazy Dolphin.... I'm just going of what Whistler told Buff
Plus, dealing with people hanging out in hell who are not alive... well, Angel was tortured in Hell for what seemed like years to him (which was only a matter of months)...and then he came back.
While I see your point, Lazy Dolphin.... I'm just going of what Whistler told Buff
slayerangel
b/a always & forever
I've been finishing watching all the eps on my new DVD boxsets! (<--- hehe, my excuse)
Joss doesn't consider Buffy a murderer and she hadn't really killed Angel, so I don't know why they keep saying she did on the show.
Well, technically Angel was dead to the world, he was transported into a hell dimension with no hope of returning.
And about the point that slayerangel made about it being Angel's blood needed to close the portal, that's what I thought too, but if you notice, before Angelus turns back to Angel, she raises her sword as if to behead him. In that case how would she close the portal?
And about the point that slayerangel made about it being Angel's blood needed to close the portal, that's what I thought too, but if you notice, before Angelus turns back to Angel, she raises her sword as if to behead him. In that case how would she close the portal?
slayerangel
b/a always & forever
She didn't know that the portal was opened or she forgot the portal was opening ('cause Angelus had pulled the sword out of Acathla earlier). She had a surprised look on her face as the portal was opening, so she must've forgotten that he opened it. If she actually decapitated him, then he'd be dust and everything that had humanity would be suffering in Hell. Joss probably forgot about that as he was writing it.
Joss Whedon had said that he had Faith slip into a coma in S3 because of two reasons: he didn't want Eliza Dushku to never come back and he didn't want Buffy to become a murderer. However, in "Amends," Joss had Giles say that Buffy may have to kill Angel again. The Buffyverse will always be messed up...
John Blonn
Suffering Ranger Fan
One can argue the following facts:
1) To close the portal required Angel's blood.
2) Let's hypothetically say she just cut open his hand and dripped his blood into the portal. What would happen? One can imagine that Angel would be assumed into the hell dimension, with the blood merely acting as the catalyst for a chain reaction of events. It makes sense to think of it this way...perhaps simply as the requirement of Angel's self as a "plug" for what he opened.
3) One can assume that after she hypothetically beheads Angelus, that there would be blood left on the sword. She could have just used that to close the portal, if necessary. Although I don't think she was concentrating on that at that point, like many have already pointed out.
1) To close the portal required Angel's blood.
2) Let's hypothetically say she just cut open his hand and dripped his blood into the portal. What would happen? One can imagine that Angel would be assumed into the hell dimension, with the blood merely acting as the catalyst for a chain reaction of events. It makes sense to think of it this way...perhaps simply as the requirement of Angel's self as a "plug" for what he opened.
3) One can assume that after she hypothetically beheads Angelus, that there would be blood left on the sword. She could have just used that to close the portal, if necessary. Although I don't think she was concentrating on that at that point, like many have already pointed out.
slayerangel
b/a always & forever
In the Buffyverse, blood is life, so do you actually need blood to close something? It's not bringing something to life, it's bringing something "dead." Angel/Angelus's blood was used to open Acathla's mouth and Dawn's or Buffy's blood was used to open the Hellmouth. Buffy said that blood between her and Dawn were the same, so she could close the portal in "The Gift," but she doesn't seem to be bleeding... Maybe the portal needed Buffy's life energy only and life energy comes from blood. In Angel's case, I think Acathla needed the body of the person or thing that opened it... complete with his blood. I don't think he can just cut his hand and let it bleed on Acathla. Acathla needs his body.
About the killing part, Wesley said in "To Shanshu in L.A." that something that's already dead can't actually "die," so technically, if Angel had no "life" left in him if Buffy had killed him, he wouldn't actually be "dead."
About the killing part, Wesley said in "To Shanshu in L.A." that something that's already dead can't actually "die," so technically, if Angel had no "life" left in him if Buffy had killed him, he wouldn't actually be "dead."
ana8
Missing you....
Blood was not enough,Angel's body was also needed- that way Buffy was sure she closed Acathla and it was more dramatic...
SpikedBuffy
Love Isn't Brains
yeah..... as we've all hear spike say before.
"Blood is life"
I forgot about that. So, you know... maybe as slayerangel said, maybe just Angel's body was required for closing Acathla... and since blood is life, oh, it's all coming back to me now
"Blood is life"
I forgot about that. So, you know... maybe as slayerangel said, maybe just Angel's body was required for closing Acathla... and since blood is life, oh, it's all coming back to me now