The Actual Quote

[nerd4hire]

From time to time while talking Buffy somebody mentions a quote from some real person concerning the series, but they can't provide it. There's a few that keep on popping up. I can't find them. I'd like to issue a challenge.

Can anybody offer the actual quote for any of these. (Not "I heard, something like", but the actual quote.)

The Uber-Vamp Mismatch Quote

I'm pretty sure this one is in the DVD commentary to Chosen. I don't have the DVD. It concerns the noticeable decrease in power between the Uber-vamp we see at the beginning of the series, and the Turok Han we see towards the end. Apparently somebody is saying something like they just wrote it that way, because it was convenient.

The Doug Petri Lesbian Subtext quote

I think this one might be in a DVD commentary too. What it says varies between the writers were constantly inserting lesbian subtext between Buffy and Faith to Eliza Dushku was good at inserting lesbian subtext in a particular scene.

The After S-6 "Only through Faith" quote

I don't believe this one exists, but I keep hearing about it. It says Joss, or one of the Mutant Enemy inner circle repeated the claim last heard from Joss, shortly after the leap of death in The Gift, and Marti Noxon in Season 3 that the slayer line can only pass through Faith. I can find the one between S-5, and S-6 from Joss, but nothing after that.

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There's more of these, but those are the ones that leap to mind right now.

 

[Superstar]

The Doug Petri Lesbian Subtext quote

I can handle this one.

Bad Girls Writer Commentary exerpts:
"And here we have the growing lesbian subtext between these two - which was always fun to play with. Eliza was always pushing the sexuality and no one remembered to stop her from that - which we are very happy about."

...Long commentary concerning the drowning and rebirth (written purposely) to show a change in Buffy's behavior to align more with Faith's attitudes...

Petrie - On Method writing about "Bad Girls":
"There was a girl in my high school who I remember was an actual "bad girl" who I will protect by not naming her - and I remember her coming to the window of a class and breathing on the glass and drawing a little image on it and calling another girl out - so that's based on life."

"I love this - and there's the heart again - lesbian subtext - but the heart with the stake through it - that's got stakes and vampires - and yet it's this kind of romantic image at the same time because it's almost a seduction - Faith is very sexy and she's saying come play with me."

...Commentary on dance scene and how even Angel who has seen a lot in 240 years is off put by Buffy's new behavior...

Note that Faith has already explained to Buffy earlier that guys are good for a one-nighter but no lasting relationship can be had with them and that they really only want to get in your pants.
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If you like, you can add this as well (from Homecoming):
Xander: Buffy and Faith are in the library getting all *sweaty*.
Cordelia: They're training.
Xander: I stand by my phrase.

And this is long before Bad Girls.
Meaning Xander is recognizing the developing attraction between the two.

 

[nerd4hire]

Up until the "Note" at the bottom, I was going to say "Thanks a bunch. That's exactly what I'm looking for. Now I have to ask. You didn't do any editorializing to emphasize a point did you? That's faithful, is it? (What a great pun. 🙂 I didn't even plan that)

 

[Blondie Bear]

The ubervamp thing exists. Joss says that he knows people have been complaining about the ubervamps being so easy to kill, but that it was convenient and we should just shut up an enjoy the show. I know that's not the direct quote, but I can't find a transcript of the commentary anywhere online and I'm too lazy to get my DVDs.

 

[Jenny]

The Uber-Vamp Mismatch Quote

I'm pretty sure this one is in the DVD commentary to Chosen. I don't have the DVD. It concerns the noticeable decrease in power between the Uber-vamp we see at the beginning of the series, and the Turok Han we see towards the end. Apparently somebody is saying something like they just wrote it that way, because it was convenient.

I don't have a transcript of the quote but I did find this review of the commentary on Chosen:

Chosen - Whedon returns for the final commentary on the final episode, sounding a little disinterested but with a reasonable amount of things to say. He makes half-hearted attempts to address some of the criticism levelled against the finale (such as why the likes of Anya and Dawn are able to easily kill several Ubervamps when, earlier in the season, Buffy spent the course of two episodes trying to kill just one), but generally brushes it under the carpet with a statement that the message of the show is more important than consistency (too bad the message was botched, then).

DVD Times - Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season Seven

Everywhere I go that had it transcribed shows up as a broken link.

Wikipedia cites both a BBC interview Joss did and the Chosen commentary and quotes this:

In a BBC interview before this episode aired, writer/director

Joss Whedon said, "If nobody cries... then I've definitely failed. It's really emotional - you're supposed to laugh, cry and gasp with excitement - as well as take away a beautiful feminist message." He acknowledges that the magic unleashed from the scythe in this episode is "somewhat convenient," but as a writer, it was more important for him to get to the show's message of empowerment by showing what Willow's magic and Buffy's status as the Slayer means to each of them.[4] He also admits that the Turok-Han vampires in this episode are far easier to kill in this episode than in previous episodes (in which Buffy noted their tough chestbones make staking them extremely difficult) because "Again, I was more interested in the showing the empowerment than I was in the continuity."

 

[Schillaci]

Ever heard the phrase, 'if you have to explain a joke, it aint funny'?

The flip side of that is if you don't understand the joke you're not smart enough.

How anyone would need proof from the writers that there was lesbian subtext between Faith and Buffy is beyond me. Especially in an episode entitled "Bad girls".

I mean holy crap, there is so much going on in the episode I don't know where to start, or even how to explain it if you didn't understand it from watching it.

 

[nerd4hire]

Context. It's important. At a certain level of critique it isn't enough just to know something is there. What exactly is it? What's it's purpose? Are the writers intentionally trying to direct you to a specific conclusion? For example with the lesbian subtext thing are they using that to make a specific insinuation the characters are harboring latent lesbian desires for each other, or is the subtext making a larger point directing one to the issue of seduction away from the comfortable, established, psychological constructs of the acceptable. Is it both, or is it just kind of cool.

To answer questions like that you need to know the context. You need the exact quote, and the circumstances under which it was given.

 

[Superstar]

How anyone would need proof from the writers that there was lesbian subtext between Faith and Buffy is beyond me

This issue has recently been of great interest due to Buffy Season 8 and claims that it is out of character for Buffy.
I know I mentioned this issue in a post with the subtle unspoken context of:
"Really? You really think that? Really? What show were you watching because it wasn't Buffy."

Nerd4Hire is looking for conclusive proof on 3 key issues at the moment of debate, where the discussions are based on supposition rather than fact.
Facts outweigh supposition, even on a make-believe show. With some clarity on the issues in question, and more issues as he adds them, greater understanding is achieved and productive discussion can be obtained as opposed to the equivalent of schoolyard "Yes. No. Yes. No. Yes. No. Yes. No, I don't like what you say so I'm not listening". At which point further discussion is fruitless.

 

[Schillaci]

I'm not getting into this just now, because I had planned to go to bed about 20 minutes ago.

All I will say is it seems that people are taking a sports car at full throttle way in the opposite direction. I'll be back at some point tomorrrow night(hopefully).

Also, I have not read the comics.

 

[nerd4hire]

Speaking of the comics, here's one that's going to start to matter next month when Buffy meets Fray. Actually I think it was said on at least two occasions, but Joss said he was going to line up the mythology between Chosen and Fray. Anybody have the exact quotes on that one? What exactly was he talking about there?