bespangeled
Scooby
I split the Spike hate thread ( https://www.buffy-boards.com/threads/why-the-huge-spike-hate.62979/page-15#post-1145863 ) Topher and I had moved into such mirror positions. It's funny that we all kinda go in this cycle regardless of whether Spike is there.
Fine - then you resent what some people say when you express your opinion.
They resent what you say.
Both are busy crying havoc and resenting being categorized.
Like this - Spike fans/haters:
Are all of one mind
The are all so unreasonable and emotional.
No matter what, as soon as some subject like this is brought up you know exactly how they will respond
Wash rinse repeat but the same dirt remains.
If you don't like/hate Spike and see how great/horrible he is then you're called a hater/fan, or irrational or basically that you're watching the wrong show because you don't get the 'greatness'/horror of the later seasons and Spuffy/Bangel.
So there I was, pondering why this. What do I want to get out of this discussion? What do I get from fandom and from the board - because it isn't this cycle alone.
My food and drink is character - I want every tiny detail, and every thought. It helps me to bounce it all off others who share my obsession. My real obsession, oddly enough, is Wesley but no one is ever all that interested. But I also obsess about Spike and Angel together - so much material there. I approach this whole thing as a writer, and I want to understand how these characters have this huge effect on me. I've done this with books more than once - tried to take apart the magic to see the mechanics. Doylist is easy - good scripts, interesting arcs, etc.
Watsonian is where the meat is. It also creates the most emotional depth and resonance. It's the blind men and the elephant, examining pieces from Hecate's cauldron, the reason Angelus went to work on Dru. It's passionate caring, it's beauty or ugliness that is not filtered by rational thought. The trick is to try and create rational thought from my reaction.
So I'm not sure if this is about communication, writing, why are you here....what do you get out of the B-verse and this board?
Fine - then you resent what some people say when you express your opinion.
They resent what you say.
Both are busy crying havoc and resenting being categorized.
Like this - Spike fans/haters:
Are all of one mind
The are all so unreasonable and emotional.
No matter what, as soon as some subject like this is brought up you know exactly how they will respond
Wash rinse repeat but the same dirt remains.
If you don't like/hate Spike and see how great/horrible he is then you're called a hater/fan, or irrational or basically that you're watching the wrong show because you don't get the 'greatness'/horror of the later seasons and Spuffy/Bangel.
So there I was, pondering why this. What do I want to get out of this discussion? What do I get from fandom and from the board - because it isn't this cycle alone.
My food and drink is character - I want every tiny detail, and every thought. It helps me to bounce it all off others who share my obsession. My real obsession, oddly enough, is Wesley but no one is ever all that interested. But I also obsess about Spike and Angel together - so much material there. I approach this whole thing as a writer, and I want to understand how these characters have this huge effect on me. I've done this with books more than once - tried to take apart the magic to see the mechanics. Doylist is easy - good scripts, interesting arcs, etc.
Watsonian is where the meat is. It also creates the most emotional depth and resonance. It's the blind men and the elephant, examining pieces from Hecate's cauldron, the reason Angelus went to work on Dru. It's passionate caring, it's beauty or ugliness that is not filtered by rational thought. The trick is to try and create rational thought from my reaction.
So I'm not sure if this is about communication, writing, why are you here....what do you get out of the B-verse and this board?
