The College Gap

goldenboy

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Alright, my name is goldenboy, and I'm a linkaholic (the first step is admitting you have a problem, right?). Anyways, this phenomenon always grabs my attention and I just wanted to link this piece...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-10-19-male-college-cover_x.htm


"Last year for the first time, women earned more than half the degrees granted statewide (Minnesota) in every category, be it associate, bachelor, master, doctoral or professional.
Women currently make up 57% of all college students."


"Not only do national statistics forecast a continued decline in the percentage of males on college campuses, but the drops are seen in all races, income groups and fields of study,"


"There are more men than women ages 18-24 in the USA "” 15 million vs. 14.2 million, according to a Census Bureau estimate last year. But nationally, the male/female ratio on campus today is 43/57, a reversal from the late 1960s and well beyond the nearly even splits of the mid-1970s."


"blue-collar jobs that once attracted male high school graduates are drying up. More boys are dropping out of high school and out of college. And as the gender gap widens, concern about the educational aspirations of young men appears to be gaining traction, albeit cautiously.

But even as evidence of a problem "” a crisis, some say "” mounts, "there's a complacency about this topic," McCorkell says. "


"And the needs of boys and girls are different, says Kimberly Tsaousis, a college-prep adviser who works mostly with low-income minorities at Cleveland High School in Seattle. "Girls are way more likely to just pay attention" during advising sessions, she says. "It's almost less cool" for boys to show interest in college."


Now, I'm not passing judgement on anything here, just throwing this out for discussion. Are boys just inherently more fragile, unstable creatures? Are girls merely fulfilling their destiny as the more naturally studious, focused sex? Does the "teaching culture" in schools now favor a distinctly female learning style over male? What role, if any, do fatherless homes play in all this? Just wondering...

I don't know if this trend is going to continue very long, get worse, or...reverse itself? Just thinking that this can't be good for society as a whole, long term.

The US unemployment rate is still quite low, for now, but...the blue-collar, manual labor jobs are continually moving overseas. Will it be something like more males making up the underclass with dead-end McJobs, no jobs? More idle men, more men locked away in prisons?

What's goin on here? Whatchall think?
 
We've been discussing this at school. There has been a significant difference in the academic achievement of boys in school (not college, I'm talking elementary/middle school) We've (other teachers and I) have discussed that because of the large push to make girls 'better' than boys (you know, women empowerment and push girls to work well in school to overcome the gender gaps) has put so much attention on girls and hardly any attention on boys.

I believe that we've done a complete 180. At first, girls were alienated, but now that girls are achieving more in academics, the boys are being pushed into the gender gap all over again, accept for in reverse.
 
*shrug*

To tell the truth, I don't have much interaction with co-ed educational systems. I'm at an all-female college and most of my guy friends are at the all-male college an hour down the road. I think the issue you raise is interesting, but I don't really have much experience, since the two colleges I am most in contact with are single-sex. Now, my boyfriend is at a co-ed institution...but I wouldn't use Tulane as a measure for academic excellence, no matter what the circustances (can we say 'party School?)

I do agree that it might be a form of 'backlash' or just reaping the consequences of pushing every little girl to be 'as good as' the boys. But of course, to most girls, as good as isn't good enough. We want to be better!
 
Everything goes in cycles, huh? Or, some things anyway.

That's interesting about an all female college, Anchovy. I've heard a lot about the benefits of splitting up the sexes more in the classroom setting. And also, school uniforms. Anything to cut down on distractions, or just general BS that interferes with learning.

Let's see...when I was in gradeschool, the teaching staff was about 90% female. The gym teacher was a guy, and one social studies teacher too. Everyone else was a nun or regular female teacher. I learned well enough, because I really wanted to. I did notice a lot of the boys just going wild, mouthing off, acting like little criminals"”and it didn't seem like there was enough brute dicipline keeping them in line. It pissed me off at the time actually, 'cause it was like guilt by association.

Just wonder if more male elementary school teachers might not help things out generally.
 
Yeah, goldenboy, I'm a HUGE proponant of single sex education, for all ages. Especially for girls, because we're so competitive in co-ed situations (well, at least, I know my high school was) I adore Hollins (our own faiths5x5 goes here too) and the all-guys school (Hampden-Sydney) as well.

Of course more male elementary school teachers would help. I feel like a lot of times, little boys have so many female authority figures, that it might actually be detrimental to them. I wish there were more males 'in charge' in young boys. But it's a rare find to find good teachers anyway, and I haven't noticed nearly as many men pulled towards teaching. Especially not elementary school. I don't know if that's just that teaching has had the stereotype of being a 'woman's profession' for a long time now, or if mopst men just don't feel drawn towards elementary school. I know I didn't have a male teacher until the 6th grade. (Mr. Ruecroft! Awwww, yay, what a great science class)
 
I guess there must be some thruth in it..In my psychology course out of 288 students only 37 are males(and yes we actually did count it...) with criminology it's a bit better but still women make up at least 70% of all students on all courses at my uni... I suppose men feel more obligated to start earning money earlier(esp. if they have a fam to support-quite common in the UK). Tho still most of professors are male,but senior lecturers and lectureres are mainly females(which means that in 10-15 years time they will 'overpower old professors group'lol). I'm quite certain some action should be taken to attract somehow guys to get into colleges and unis...but as a simple female I can't think of anything at the moment myself...
 
Ana8 might have a point here... I was thinking as I wa reading (wow, what a concept) about attracting more males to the university/college system. As I thought about my own college experience, it seems that women to make up most of the majors/classes on campus. If you think about it, a large percentage of males only go to college because they are interested or are given a sports scholarship. The remaining men join fraternities and end up wasting most of their college career and changes to get good jobs. Now, this isn't all men, but some of them.
 
OMG I loved the following piece!

Not "˜cause I'm a gun-toting slack-jawed hooligan (that's beside the point, heh.)

It's just that this totally rings true with my experience growing up: an increasingly wussified boy culture of the late 70s, early 80s. I always hated the TV versions of my tough guy comic book superheros...



Bad Cartoons Make Bad Citizens

By Doug Kern

Bad cartoons tend to make bad citizens. And my generation suffered from the worst cartoons of all. Pity the poor male children of Generation X: there we sat, on Saturday mornings in the '70s and early '80s, clutching our bowls of Count Chocula and enduring the soul-sucking monotony of ugly Filmation cartoons populated by heroes who fought without actually fighting. You could watch cartoons for hours and never see a superhero actually sock a supervillain in the gut, or a commando pump hot lead into a live non-robot terrorist, or a ranger thrust a pointy-sharp arrow into some dragon's malevolent guts. Preachy mini-sermons abounded, though; the Super Friends couldn't lay a gloved fist on Lex Luthor, but they could sure manhandle those sugary in-between-meals snacks. ("Super Friends," they called them, instead of the Justice League. The difference tells you everything you need to know about the seventies.)

Consequently, we Gen Xers grew up achingly bereft of simulated mayhem and destruction. We turned to cap guns, stick fights, and dodgeball to meet our aggressive needs, but it wasn't the same. We craved red meat, but our cartoons served up tofu.
 
I always assumed that the threat of litigation had driven violence from Saturday morning. After all, if you show Superman frying a supervillain with his heat vision on Saturday morning, then, sure enough, some idiot kid in Dubuque will fry his little brother with heat vision one fine Saturday afternoon, and then everyone loses except the lawyers. But I was wrong. Federal regulators, rather than nervous trial attorneys, wussified Saturday morning TV in the early seventies. Uncle Sam made our cartoons insipid, in the hope that a nice stiff dose of cultural chloroform would deaden our proto-male violent tendencies and transform us all into prissy poindexters who would eat our vegetables, sit still in our seats, and eventually vote for French-speaking politicians.     
 
That same castrating impulse informs much of our society's approach to violence among teens. God help the poor kid who puts a butter knife in his lunchbox, if he attends a school with a zero tolerance weapons policy. If you squirm in class too often, mouth off too regularly, or act like a boy during mandatory androgyny intervals, expect Uncle Ritalin to move in for a permanent stay in the mischief-making corners of your mind, courtesy of America's peerless public school system. Guns? Behold the spectacle of Rosie O'Donnell at the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards, exhorting kids to "never touch a gun," lest they get bullet cooties or something. And what about violent video games like Grand Theft Auto: Vice City? That game alone is surely responsible for the surge in motor-scooter car-jackings and golf-club assaults on prostitutes, committed by thugs who dress like Ralph Lauren and talk like Ray Liotta.  
 
In each case, the real or proposed government "solution" is the same: outlaw the offending "violent" matter or regulate it to death. And in each case, the result is the same: violence, the forbidden fruit, is marginalized and thus glamorized, and young men start to suspect that civilized behavior is for girls. Thus the state ties itself in knots trying to fight human nature.
 
The fight against teen violence often degenerates into a proxy war against young men. Don your bureaucrat-colored glasses and behold teenage males: surly, under-socialized, and enamored of physical mayhem, they're a bad influence on the other genders, and probably ought to be outlawed. No one worries about hordes of marauding teenaged girls holding up 7-11s and shooting up high schools. The problem is boys, says the state; crush the social origins of their boyishness, and solve the problem.
 
Little boys are aggressive, not because their cartoons make them so, but because their Creator saturated them in testosterone. Is ham-fisted state-sponsored nannying the only way to make citizens out of the little hooligans?
 
One author has a better idea. In his superb and unfairly overlooked 2002 book, Killing Monsters, former comic book author Gerard Jones proposes that society needs an entirely different approach to the issue of violence in children's entertainment. He suggests that children respond strongly to violent entertainment because the violence mirrors their own feelings of aggression -- and those feelings of aggression are legitimate and worthy of expression. Rather than struggling hopelessly to eliminate childhood aggression, we should teach children to harness and employ aggressive feelings in socially useful ways.
 
Innumerable examples confirm Jones' point. Consider guns again. Each year, thousands of teenagers learn to employ deadly assault weapons for the explicit purpose of killing people in the most efficient way possible. It's called basic training -- and basic rifle marksmanship is part of basic training for every branch of the military. Does that training and exposure to weapons make teenagers criminals? Obviously not. The discipline attached to that training allows soldiers to use rifles in the patriotic defense of their nation and its values. If our society struggles with teen violence, perhaps the fault lies not with our guns but with the inadequate discipline and malnourished moral imaginations of the teens holding them.
 
Consider also violent video games. According to Jones, most children know perfectly well that video games aren't reality. Kids understand video games for what they are: caricatured representations of a mock-reality, not reality itself. It's true that some notorious teen monsters (like Klebold and Harris from the Columbine tragedy) enjoyed violent shooting games - but so do most teenaged boys. Most likely those savage young men turned to video games as an outlet for the chaotic impulses that they could not control. Perhaps we should be grateful for games that transform adolescent rage into harmless electronic depictions on a screen. Perhaps transformation can succeed where suppression fails.
 
Male teenage aggression is a fact, not a problem. And that fact is an embarrassing reminder that sex differences don't permit us to choose everything about ourselves, or about our children. If the aggression of boys is scandalous, then it's easy to see why society is tempted to pretend that teachers and bureaucrats can bind the boyish heart with rules and restrictions. But if we accept that sex differences are something to be celebrated, not denied, then we can get back to the age-old task of taming - but not breaking - the male spirit. If the government wants to help this process, it could start by butting out. Raising men is a job for men, not bureaucrats.
 
Despite our bad cartoons and the spineless regulators who required them, my generation is finding its way. We produced Pat Tillman. We produced the brave men and women keeping Iraq safe. And we produced Batman, Superman, and Justice League cartoons wherein heroes pound the snot out of bad guys, and damn the FCC. Our cartoons have learned to use violence to promote the greater good. Perhaps we've learned that lesson, too.
 
Doug Kern is a frequent TCS contributor. He recently gave Super Size Thanks.


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