The Commando's in Sunnydale

Incidentally, Aliens probably did depict the Colonial Marines well in that case. They were apparently based on Vietnam-era military, which from what I can tell was rather a mess, and had a captain's billet filled by an inexperienced lieutenant who had by the sounds of it more than likely just been dropped into it.
Probably not just dropped in it. Given the power the company has, Gorman was probably selected BECAUSE he was inexperienced. Makes it easier for Burke to do what he wants to do.
 
NotASlayer
NotASlayer
True. Which probably means he was even less qualified at that point than would be assumed anyway.
The problem with bringing in the initiative remnant is that they already have a poor track record. They are too power hungry and too arrogant to ever listen to anyone but each other. This makes them more dangerous than useful. Also, other than National Guard, they really have no legal standing to function in the US.

That said, i remember a stargate crossover i read that really made good use of things military. But the DRI and its decendents do not have my confidence. They are always too Dr. Mengele for my taste.

This on the other hand... Was kind of interesting: Potential by ShayneT

There are many good crossovers that use resources and people (including the military) better than the last season of Buffy. Thank god for fanfic!

Edit: one weakness of all the buffy writing is that they did a bad job of understanding the military or other institutions. Making it up works with the fantasy aspects but one of the best things the stargate series did was to get the military sructure and command a lot more close to reality. This grounded the fantasy in reality and made it more believable. The USAF were so impressed that they let some of their personnel guest star and i think gave the show an award.

Buffy got so much military wrong...

What Buffy was really good at was creating real characters that feel like family.
 
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NotASlayer
NotASlayer
The Stargate team worked very closely with USAF; even had a couple of serving officers guest star I think.
The Initiative that has a poor track record is specifically Maggie Walsh - who was civilian, not military. She performed experiments that the military didn't know about, that most of her own staff didn't know about, kept secrets from everyone and built secret facilities. This resulted in the military side being ambushed from within by an unknown experiment operating out of unlisted facilities. No-one will perform well under those circumstances.

There is nothing to show that what remained afterwards is power-hungry or arrogant; they were seen to operate as a military unit and after the events of season four a group of leaders were shown to specifically not be power-hungry or arrogant. They decided that the Sunnydale crew were competent (which they were at that point) and left them alone. The opposite of what would be expected if they were, in truth, power hungry and arrogant.

Regarding their legal standing to operate in the US, we don't know what it is. They aren't the regular armed forces when the Initiative was running in Sunnydale, so wouldn't be held by those rules. After that, they were a purely military organisation of monster hunters; essentially, Special Forces that kill things that go bump in the night. Not monster experimenters but hunters. But still not part of the regular military. Certainly, they sounded competent.

And if the end of the world is coming and someone can help, do you really turn down their potential help? That's just stupid. "No, I don't want to play with you because someone not you was mean."
 
hoponlilmama
hoponlilmama
I was going to respond but you summed everything up. The Initiative would've been a helpful tool in s7 and was a missed opportunity.
To operate legally in the US would only require a Presidential Order. The Initiative is not hunting humans so Posse Comitatus does not apply.

The US military has always had huge operations inside the US. It operates kinda like the UK's Security Service. The military does the more specialized investigative along with general support work and police make the arrests.

These operations are so common that there is even a "uniform" the soldiers wear: polo shirt and cargo pants and boots.
 
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