Taake disagrees: I don't think it's fallacies and inconsistencies, you do, get off your high horse IM. And we have every right to mention ours as you can mention yours
You may mention it, of course, but you can't expect people not to disagree. If you can't handle disagreement, don't voice your opinion, because then speaking up won't do anyone, including yourself, any good at all. It
is as simple as that.
Besides, it rarely ever happens that anyone considers their own opinion fallacious. It almost always takes others to point the flaws out. That's what, you know, debates are for, and why freedom of speech is considered a right you should have in the first place.
I would. I engaged in this discussion to begin with to explain why I view things the way I do, feel free to go back and check my posts, but also to learn why the other side view things the way they do.
I need only go back to
this post to be appalled by your disregard for human life. And your reason for "murder is bad" is still outstanding, so let me repeat:
Says who?
Are you serious rigt now? Seriously... because you disagree with me on one topic you think I'm a 'dangerous' voter...
If that one topic is universal human rights, then
hell yes, I will. Would you consider someone a dangerous voter whom you agree with on every point, except one one tiny little topic, namely that "every girl should legally be forced to get clitoral mutilation (a.k.a. euphemistically as "female circumcision") before age 12"?
If your answer is yes, then your disbelief of me being serious about considering you a dangerous voter is blatantly hypocritical.
I didn't say that I rooted for that. I simply said you had no right to dictate to me not to root for that.
I was operating under the assumption you wanted to be logically consistent. If that's not your goal, I take back the "don't you dare" and change it into "you can't say it and expect to be taken seriously". I
will, however, consider your views disqualified for reasonable debate then due to them being logically unsound. I will respect your views if they make sense; if not, I pity you for them even if I won't contest your right to hold them. As I said before, you
do, absolutely, have the right to believe stupid stuff. You
don't, however, have any right to expect people to consider you an overly intelligent person if you believe stupid stuff and don't keep those views to yourself.
[MENTION=7924]InsaneMystic[/MENTION]. Some rights-based theorists would say that the right to life is absolute and if someone takes a life they have infringed the absolute right of that person. It is only called a violation if it is unjustified. Therefore, killing in self defence is often considered merely an infringement of one's right to life.
I feel like it's getting into fine semantics here. I could live with calling out the woman for killing her rapist in self-defense as
infringement on his basic human rights. And for this infringement, she
absolutely should face trial, even when her acquittal is almost for granted. (Which it should be in any sane jurisdiction.) I can not, will not, and honestly think
noone ever should shrug it off as less than that. Period.
You're arguing in terms of rights, but I was wondering if you actually believe in them? Because I don't really, and so arguing with all these people who apparently do is kind of difficult.
I do. I very, very much do. I believe with all my heart that if we soften up the universal rights concept by just one bit, it will mean that anything goes, everything should be legal - including murder, rape etc.. If it's fun for you,
go for it and don't let the bleeding-heart party poopers rain on your parade. There's no reason (more precisely, no
consistent, non-sheep, and non-egotistical reason; all of those qualifiying as one of those three categories I will immediately discard as
beneath me) that I can think of why rape and murder should be considered "bad", except that one huge founding block of ethics called UNIVERSAL human rights.
In fact, if I didn't believe in this concept wholeheartedly, unbudgingly,
so much that it hurts, I'd be embarrassed about getting so riled up writing about it. (Emotionality is so gauche... :blush: ) The only reason I'm not is because, with every fiber of my heart, I believe pro-DP people to be
wrong as can be, and a danger to any world I'd care for living in.
Saddest thing about liberty/democracy: It has to allow for those who want to abolish it, otherwise it already has abolished itself. :sigh:
