The depth of Tara Maclay

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Tara seems like the major character that has less depth than the others. At least that's what she seems like to me, comparing to the other Scoobies. To me, most of the time, she's just Willow's girlfriend, and not a person by her own.

But I was thinking, it's Joss's show. There must be something about Tara Maclay that makes her a deeper character than I think.
So I want you to convince me otherwise. I want to know what depthness her character has that I couldn't see by myself? Because there must be some in her.
 
No, I think you got it right. She was the reason Willow started to do more magic, and she was Willow's girlfriend. Thats all she was supposed to be. She could have been more, but they decided to make her one dimensional. They even joked about it about what to get her for her birthday.
 
I think I'd agree- once Willow gives her more confidence and brings her out of her shell, Tara's role tends to be limited to being the glue which holds the team together with occasional bits of magic thrown in. That's pretty much her journey- I don't think she was ever conceived as a character with the potential to grow and change direction over several years.
 
I think one of the really great things about Tara involves what you said right up there. For a very long time, she's just 'Willow's Girlfriend' and doesn't try to give herself much of a personality outside of that.

I think, because of her issues with her family, Tara is emotionally needy. She clung very tightly to Willow, and it took a violation of her mind to make her realize that she needed to let go.

In my opinion, Tara taking control of her relationship with Willow and calling it off was kind of remarkable. Some people think it was selfish, as she needed help and Tara's support, but I think letting go of the first person she really loved for herself was a good thing. Tara is too much of a people pleaser. This is a good quality to have, of course, but Tara put herself aside to many times to make Willow happy.

She let go when she needed to, and from what we saw post Tabula Rasa she didn't spend all the time at home crying.

I think that's kind of remarkable, for the kind of person that Tara was.
 
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Tara seems like the major character that has less depth than the others. At least that's what she seems like to me, comparing to the other Scoobies.

Depends on which Scoobies you mean. I don't think Oz has any more depth than Tara. Anya is a walking, talking comic relief that's treated seriously in like 3 of her almost 90 episodes and is a mess of never resolved contradictions. Even characters with more screen time like Riley ended up weirdly depth-less in some respects, like the sudden ignoring of his TA job and academic background in order to turn him into purely military guy.

There must be something about Tara Maclay that makes her a deeper character than I think.

Yes, there is. Only it's called fanfiction. 🙂

I don't think she was meant to be that deep of a character and even if the writers hadn't turned the show into "Buffy and her current boyfriend", she was never going to be all that developed. I have read she was supposed to be killed at the end of S5 originally. Even the one Tara-centric episode that we got was more of a political statement than any real exploration of her character. I mean, she and her mother believed the demon story why exactly? They never bothered to check it why exactly? I see what Joss meant metaphorically but on a literal level the story was a total mess and no wonder it's never mentioned again.

I don't mind Tara's lack of depth much, though. It gives so many opportunities for writing great fanfiction without having to get around inconvenient canon. And it's much better for a character to be ignored by the writers than turned into something terrible (cough, Willow, Buffy, Giles, cough).
 
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was anya in that many episodes? really?
Well for starters, Tara was very underused and her screen time was much lower than any Scooby love interest. She does develop and gain confidence though.

I'd argue that technically, Anya is the most one-dimensional character, since her whole story is about her lack of self (get it? 'Selfless'? 🙂).
 
I think she didn't have as much depth as the other characters and if she wasn't Willow's girlfriend I wouldn't have liked her nearly as much. I was realizing that the other day.
I do think she was getting to be more on her own when she was helping Buffy in season six but to me she will always be Willow's girlfriend when her name comes up I won't think oh Tara did this and was so this first.
 
I'm on a sporadic S4 re-watch at the moment ("the moment" in my less-than-television-oriented world meaning it takes me about a year to get through) and was listening to Joss' commentaries to "Hush".
Love these girls. Love the whole idea of the Wicca Group as being a great big bust. As being just, you know, "We are earthy and crunchy and useless." This scene is also, of course, close to my heart in a big way for the other obvious reason. Seth Green, who played Oz and was Willow's love interest and is a great actor, left rather abruptly. And we weren't sure where to go.

[Tara's first appearance on the show]

And then she - Amber Benson - appeared, and made up our minds for us. We had the idea of introducing the character of Tara, the very shy girl who falls for Willow. Fairly early on we had the idea that college is the sort of place where people expand or explore their sexuality, and the idea of somebody who thought Willow was great was interesting to us.

And the idea that basically, we had a new Willow. Because Willow had become so self-confident and at ease with herself, she wasn't as helpless as she used to be. And so we wanted somebody, particularly for this episode, who could act as a kind of Willow character. Somebody we would be invested in, who could be put into danger, who would not necessarily know how to take care of herself off the bat. Because you need somebody like that, and Willow - and Alyson herself - had both matured to the point where it took a lot to get them into that kind of peril.

Amber Benson obviously a mainstay of the show now, and their relationship, extraordinary. Didn't know for sure; I was thinking of somebody more physically like Alyson: smaller and... and less womanly than Amber. It was Marti Noxon, when Amber auditioned, who said - you know, she knew the physical type I was thinking of because I really wanted that vulnerability. And she said, "I think Amber's got it in spades." And so we brought her back and she knocked us out. So Marti gets the kudos for that one, although I like to take the credit whenever Amber's around: so make sure Amber doesn't hear this!
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As we all know, the primary raison d'etre for BtVS' existence in the first place was tho let the blonde in the alleyway kick back. I must say that I find it just a tad ironic that Joss&Co found themselves in acute lack of a damsel to put in distress, and that Joss was so hung up on the damsel having to be "smaller and... and less womanly". 🙄

Tara came in as "Willow's love interest" and was never really fleshed out more than that. While I do wish we had seen more of a development in her, because I like Tara, it does make sense. After all, being the love interest of the friend of the main character that has given the show its name, isn't all that pivotal a rà´le.
 
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I mean, she and her mother believed the demon story why exactly? They never bothered to check it why exactly? I see what Joss meant metaphorically but on a literal level the story was a total mess and no wonder it's never mentioned again.

What WAS the metaphor there? Lesbianism? Was Tara's mom a lesbian too or something?
 
I do like Tara but if someone asks me to describe Tara i describe her as Willlow's girlfriend because that is pretty much all she is. When they are apart in season 6 Tara is in to see Dawn for a bit and see Buffy etc but it doesn't work very well without Willlow as she is basically just Willow's girlfriend.
 
What WAS the metaphor there? Lesbianism? Was Tara's mom a lesbian too or something?

The women in the Maclay family were forced to feel shame because of something that didn't exist. I guess you can say it was a metaphor for female sexuality. Or for women being forced to feel inferior to men in general. Or repression in general - using lies to make people obey. That sort of thing.

As we all know, the primary raison d'etre for BtVS' existence in the first place was tho let the blonde in the alleyway kick back. I must say that I find it just a tad ironic that Joss&Co found themselves in acute lack of a damsel to put in distress, and that Joss was so hung up on the damsel having to be "smaller and... and less womanly".

The more interviews and commentaries I read of Joss, the more he annoys me, to be honest. He seems to have an obsession with actresses who are petite even by Hollywood standards. It's not as if Amber Benson is that much taller and more womanly than Alyson Hannigan, you know. Thankfully Marti intervened.

Plus, the idea that only waif-thin women can be proper damsel in distress is silly. In BtVS everybody needed rescuing sometimes, including Buffy, despite her superpowers. Also, it's sad to hear how the main concern of Joss for Tara seems to have been to use her as such a damsel, rather than tell an interesting story.

Tara came in as "Willow's love interest" and was never really fleshed out more than that. While I do wish we had seen more of a development in her, because I like Tara, it does make sense. After all, being the love interest of the friend of the main character that has given the show its name, isn't all that pivotal a rà´le.

It isn't but I would argue there was enough screen time to do a lot more with Tara. Also, the show worked better when it was more of ensemble piece in S1-3 rather "Buffy and boyfriend". It wouldn't really have taken much time to least tell us where Tara got her money from, for instance. Or what exactly she was studying (not that they told us that about Willow either).
 
The women in the Maclay family were forced to feel shame because of something that didn't exist. I guess you can say it was a metaphor for female sexuality. Or for women being forced to feel inferior to men in general. Or repression in general - using lies to make people obey. That sort of thing.

I finally agree with you on something 😀 I did see it as a metaphore, for women who have to obey men, like they worth less and should do what the men want and say. As Spike said, and he was probably right, to keep the women in line.
The more interviews and commentaries I read of Joss, the more he annoys me, to be honest. He seems to have an obsession with actresses who are petite even by Hollywood standards. It's not as if Amber Benson is that much taller and more womanly than Alyson Hannigan, you know. Thankfully Marti intervened.

Here I agree less. I really don't get that impression from Joss. Do you have quotes or links on that?

It isn't but I would argue there was enough screen time to do a lot more with Tara. Also, the show worked better when it was more of ensemble piece in S1-3 rather "Buffy and boyfriend". It wouldn't really have taken much time to least tell us where Tara got her money from, for instance. Or what exactly she was studying (not that they told us that about Willow either).

Tara was studying art. She took Buffy to her class in "Life Serial" and it was over before Buffy walked through the door. And before that Buffy was in Willow's class which I got the impression that tara was in too, because she couldn't believe Buffy didn't like the teacher, who she seemed to know.

I'm not sure I agree about the thing you said about seasons 1-3 ensemble. Things change in life, people change and grow, people join, people leave, etc.
 
Here I agree less. I really don't get that impression from Joss. Do you have quotes or links on that?

No, but I have eyes - SMG, Alyson Hannigan and Emma Caulfield are all pretty similar as far as body type goes. Add Amy Acker and Joss's comments about Amber Benson and the trend becomes kind of obvious.

Tara was studying art. She took Buffy to her class in "Life Serial" and it was over before Buffy walked through the door.

Just because Tara had an art appreciation class doesn't mean her major was art-related. Willow had an "Ethno-musicology" class mentioned once but I doubt she was studying to become a composer. 🙂
 
No, but I have eyes - SMG, Alyson Hannigan and Emma Caulfield are all pretty similar as far as body type goes. Add Amy Acker and Joss's comments about Amber Benson and the trend becomes kind of obvious.
I don't know what he said about Amber, but she is a little "more" than the other girls. Not fat, but clearly not skinny like the others. This is why I always got the opposite impression on Joss, because I did give a thought to that, and was actually happy with Joss who cast a less skinny girl. I was impressed with him because in all the movies and tv show the girls are always super skinny, and Joss has decided to cast a girl who's less skinny. But now that I think about it, I remember reading that originaly he wanted to cast a skinny and dorky girl as Willow's girlfriend (a character who's the old Willow like). Is that the thing you mentioned? I'm happy though that they did decide to go with not so skinny girl in the end. That shows something.


Just because Tara had an art appreciation class doesn't mean her major was art-related. Willow had an "Ethno-musicology" class mentioned once but I doubt she was studying to become a composer. 🙂

As my idea for the thread shows, and I think it's already a fact from other comments, that Tara doesn't have much depth, and probably needed because she was just Willow's girlfried. I wonder if it's because Amber didn't want to be a regular, so maybe that's why they didn't bother giving her more. Maybe it didn't matter. We also have to remember that Tara was meant to die in season 5, so yeah, I guess they just didn't bother with her. That's the reason I'm thinking of.
 
I don't know what he said about Amber

Read miromurr's post above. And it's not just the actresses being skinny. They are also all rather short. I doubt that Amber Benson would have seemed tall in comparison to the the rest of the female cast on many other shows.
 
Read miromurr's post above. And it's not just the actresses being skinny. They are also all rather short. I doubt that Amber Benson would have seemed tall in comparison to the the rest of the female cast on many other shows.

I don't see what's so bad about short women. Seriously, I don't. And not all females in the Jossverse are short. Charisma isn't short at all, Amy is not very short, Michelle T isn't that short, Juliet (Landau), etc. I don't see your point, assuming by short you don't just mean 'small'.
 
Nothing bad about short women, it's just a trend I noticed. But that's rather off-topic, so let's drop the subject, okay? 😉

Didn't mean ' I won', I pressed the enter! What I meant was:
I won't let you drop the subject! I opened this thread, I have the right to decide on this!! 😀
 
That always did bother me. Short, really skinny women. And, at the one somewhat heavy girl, (The vampire in the beginning of the fourth season, the one in Sunday's gang. Purple sweater.) they make a fat joke. -_- I was not amused.

I love that Tara didn't fit the mold Joss wanted, because the people we fall in love with very rarely fit the mold we've made for them.
 
Tara was ok, but I always felt she was so boring and 2-dimensional. There was never enough about her to get my attention to give her much thought outside being Willow's girlfriend, although I did love her big sister-type interactions with Dawn.
 
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