The End

Wesley Junior

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What makes a great final season in your opinion and which Jossverse season fits that description? It can be an actual final season or a season that could have functioned as a potential final season.
 
I think season 2 and season 5 had the best finale episodes, so they could fit into the final season category. It really showed the series at its best. So I guess a major character should die in a very dramatic way, or a few. I wouldn't want that though, I hate it when characters die (although I wouldn't be sad saying goodbye to Kennedy), but it has the most major effect I think.

It also should have a big fight, a final fight (like in Chosen), and include some great jokes so it wouldn't be only sad. And it should have something that hadn't been seen in other shows.

It's hard for me to decide between open ends or closed ends final. But most of all, I don't want a finale at all! I don't want it to ever end!
 
Season 7. I don't care if there are weak episodes. I wouldn't dare miss a moment of Buffy. I'm a comics fan, but Season 8 does not feel like a final season. There's too much left hanging (though maybe I'll feel differently after the last issue comes out).
 
I think Angel Season 5 fit the bill of a final season even though originally it was never meant to be the final season. It had the return of familiar faces from the show's past (Lindsey and Spike, to name a couple), brought things to full circle with Wolfram and Hart, provided closure to certain storylines like the prophecy involving Connor and characters like the wonderful Cordelia, and went out on a high note leaving the audience wanting more but feeling satisfied with the outcome at the same time.
 
A good season finale wraps up the majority of the story for the season while giving something enticing to draw you back the following season.

Season 1 wraps up the Master's storyline and leaves Buffy going off happily with her friends, but then the camera pans downs to the Master's bones, indicating there may still be more trouble ahead.

Season 2 leaves a big cliffhanger. Where will Buffy go? What will she do? Still, it provides an ending to the Angelus storyline.

Season 3 wraps up the high school years but leaves some interest for what the future holds.

Season 4 is the least organized season finale. Technically, all of the business takes place in the episode before. Restless creates more questions than it answers, but since they knew the show was being renewed, it was okay to start laying the groundwork for the next season.

Season 5 is perhaps the most bookended season finale, since it was also created to serve as a series finale.

Season 6 ends Buffy's season-long depression and leaves the question of what she'll do with her newfound hope, how she'll show Dawn the world.

Season 7 wraps up the majority of the series. The end scene, though, still sets up for Season 8.
 
I love how throughout season 7, they make you aware that the end is coming. Whereas other seasons, your not exactly sure.
 
I think that a good finale season needs to bring the show back to its roots, really grab ahold of what that show is all about, and keep that theme strong throughout the season. It really does need to go back to basics. But at the same time, it really needs to take all the characters to new places. Their stories and arcs need to be wrapped up, and they need to be taken to a next step in their lives. There must be a cohesion between continuity and progress, a sense that all the characters have changed and evolved and gone through all sorts of trials and tribulations, but that they've come out stronger.

Season Five of Buffy was, I think, the absolute perfect season. All the characters had significant development and entered a new stage of their life in some way or another. Buffy was thrust into the adult world and made to cope as an authority figure, and discovered more about her roots as a slayer, and what that means for her and her destiny (which, by the way, was captured beautifully in her sacrifice scene, where she completely rejected the supposed inevitability of her dying alone and scared, offed by some random vamp in a back alley, and instead chose to die in a selfless act of heroism, saving her sister, her friends, and the world - and then the close in on the tombstone with the absolute perfect message, that just strips right to the core and, no-nonsense, lays out exactly who Buffy was. But I digress...)

Xander found success and purpose at last with his career, a kind of confidence in The Replacement, and got over his fear of commitment by proposing to Anya. Willow became more serious with Tara and entered a new stage of power as her magic grew in strength. Giles found a new purpose and regained his self-respect with taking over The Magic Box (and of course was reinstated in his rightful place as Buffy's watcher, a nice back-to-basics touch there). Anya made peace with her humanity and mortality. Tara started to grow out of her shell and found real love and acceptance with Willow. Spike discovered a human side of himself with his newfound love for Buffy.

Yet in spite of all the changes, when it all came down to it they were just the same as they always had been, fighting evil side by side. All of the tensions and distance between them that had grown in S4 were repaired, the personal demons were conquered. They had been beaten, broken, hunted down and stripped to the core, but they came out of it fighting, together.

Season 7 I believe does it all wrong. They did alright at first - there was a strong back-to-basics theme in the opening episodes, a good mending of the broken bonds between the characters, decent focus on all characters... but about 8 episodes in it all went to pot. When the show should be focusing on the original characters, and giving fair development to all others, the focus was split and skewed. Unnecessary additional characters like Andrew, Wood, Kennedy and the rest of the potentials obscured the characters we'd been with since the beginning, and of course the excessive focus on Spike was of great damage. Most of the characters suffer greatly from this - Willow's arc is weak at best, and Xander, Giles, Dawn and Anya (post-Selfless) don't get any development whatsoever.

Important bonds like Buffy and Giles' are destroyed and then never repaired. The bonds between the core scoobies just don't exist for most of S7. These monumentally important, close-knit friendships become an afterthought. The characters drift apart and change too much. You can really see this in the "The Earth is doomed" scene in Chosen that calls back to Welcome to the Hellmouth. It's a shoddy, half-assed afterthought of a back-to-basics theme, and it doesn't work at all because, unlike the original, it doesn't feel natural. The characters have changed too much and their bonds have been so neglected that a sudden reversion to exactly how they acted with each other in S1 seems sudden and forced. There should be a return to the roots of the show, but not in a way that acts as though nothing's happened in the last 7 years.

And of course, while S5 ends with every character fighting together and each having an important role to play, S7 ends with most of the characters being an afterthought, with Xander and Giles having essentially the same role as Andrew and Wood (by the way, not criticising these characters, but they are nowhere near as important to the series as Xander and Giles, and so shouldn't get the same attention). And of course everyone gets obscured by the legions of nu-slayers that nobody cares about. While S5 ends with Buffy, the main character and heroine of the series, heroically saving the world, S7 ends with Spike, a promoted minor villain, heroically saving the world. Say what you like about Spike, good or bad, I'm just saying that the climax of the entire series should be dedicated to the girl that the series is all about, not a supporting character that was supposed to be killed off after his fifth appearance.

S5 I think also suffers greatly from moving too far away from its roots. I'm not going to go into details about my thoughts because it's nearing two in the morning here and, lets face it, you're getting bored of this post. I think the closing episodes should have been about what the show was supposed to be about right from the start, Angel's suppsoed mission; helping the helpless. The "assassinate an evil cult" plot was too far removed from the show's orginal ethos. It should be more about protecting the innocent, and less about chasing after the guilty. And again, I think that there should've been more of a focus on the original cast. In that closing shot, we had Angel, Gunn, and two characters that had only recently been introduced to the show and neither of whom were ever a real part of the group.

tl;dr = The Gift rocks, everything else sucks.
 
Great post, TheVoid68. It's always a delight reading your replies which are far from boring.
 
For me, season 7 along with "Chosen" was the best finale because it felt like an ending, but also a beginning. I could gush all day about how much I love this season and episode, and explain why I think it's an amazing finale, but I think the ever wise Chuck (from "Supernatural") says my feelings about finales best. 🙂

Endings are hard. Any chapped-ass monkey with a keyboard can poop out a beginning, but endings are impossible. You try to tie up every loose end, but you never can. The fans are always gonna bitch. There's always gonna be holes. And since it's the ending, it's all supposed to add up to something. I'm telling you, they're a raging pain in the ass.

No doubt--endings are hard. But then again... nothing ever really ends, does it?
 
I think Season 7 was a really good ending to Buffy, the battle was epic and we got to know what happened to the characters.
 
I like season endings that culminate in a satisfying termination of the character arcs and plot points that have been building for months. But the endings have to be entertaining and emotionally meaningful on their own merits as well.

I think Season 2 ending was the best (save for Whistler, who I thought was completely superfluous). It was gut wrenching and heart breaking to see what all our heroes and villains had gone through. And Our Heroine saves the day but doesn't get a big parade - on the contrary, she loses everything. Yeah, that was masterful.

Season 3 was not as good, but the sheer shock factor of blowing up the high school left some kind of impression. From there on out you know this show, which had originally been about the pains of growing up in America, would never be the same again, for better or for worse. (I'm in the camp that says it was for the worse, but that's another argument).
 
Season 7 I believe does it all wrong. They did alright at first - there was a strong back-to-basics theme in the opening episodes, a good mending of the broken bonds between the characters, decent focus on all characters... but about 8 episodes in it all went to pot. When the show should be focusing on the original characters, and giving fair development to all others, the focus was split and skewed. Unnecessary additional characters like Andrew, Wood, Kennedy and the rest of the potentials obscured the characters we'd been with since the beginning, and of course the excessive focus on Spike was of great damage. Most of the characters suffer greatly from this - Willow's arc is weak at best, and Xander, Giles, Dawn and Anya (post-Selfless) don't get any development whatsoever.


This sounds like you wanted Season 7 to be exactly what the series used to be back in Seasons 1-3. It doesn't work like that. The Scoobies were never going to re-create the same dynamics of what they had back in high school. Too much had happened. And it was time Buffy learned some new lessons - dealing with the fallout of her relationship with Spike and learning what it was like to be an adult with real responsibilities. She couldn't remain 16-18 forever. Not when she was 21 at the time Season 7 began.

I'm sorry, but I disagree with you, completely.



It should be more about protecting the innocent, and less about chasing after the guilty.


Do people have this fetish about savior types? Is that why they get all excited over fictional characters with super abilities or highly trained skills, who go around acting like a vigilante? This whole thing about "protecting the innocent" sounds very idealistic. But having your characters act like a bunch of idealistic savior/vigilante types 24/7 doesn't always work. And it doesn't do much for character development. I didn't care for S5 of "ANGEL" that much. But I suspect that what happened may have been karmic payback for all of the bad decisions and actions that Angel and his friends made in the previous four seasons.

And being an idealistic "protector of the innocent" is not a guarantee that you'll always make the right decision. This universe is too chaotic for that.
 
I think Angel season 5 did it right. I felt a lot of the story-lines were tied up. Connor/Angel were finally settled. Cordy got her goodbye. The deaths made it sad and the finale had some and it went up against everything it has been talking about the whole series.

I also feel like Buffy season seven covered everything it needed to. I feel like it could have ended with season five but it would not feel complete. So season seven took everything brought it kind of back and made it a good farewell.

I can't think of another season right now for Angel that could have ended. I would have said season one but that would only be if it had to by getting cancelled. It has a lot of continuous story-lines so it would be hard to end at season 3 or 4 for me.
 
Well Firefly season 1, Buffy season 1,3,4,5,7 and Angel season 1 would be good "final" seasons. They either wrap up the season nicely, not too many lose ends or WTF-final scenes like some other seasons. But only with Buffy season 3, 5 & 7 do I feel the epicness and completeness a final season should have. A final season should leave you trembling, wanting more, but realizing that this might be as good as it gets, and another season might ruin it. It's all in how many lose ends exist and if the final episode really feels like a good bye.

For example, Angel season 2-5, and Buffy season 2&6 left me thinking "WTF? I guess we get the answer next season." (Thank good for Angel After the fall. Not that Not Fade Away left that many lose ends, but it kept eating me up, not knowing who survived or who didn't.) Angel season 1 had a more "closure" feel to it, but it didn't feel epic. Same with season 1 & 4 of Buffy. They felt like good possible final seasons, but they didn't shake me up the way the others do. But season 3,5&7, those were brilliant "final" seasons.

I guess it all depends on the last episode. In case season 4 didn't have Restless, which left me confused and curious, I might think season 4 would have made a better final seasons.

To sum up:
Firefly: Potential final season, but thank God for Serenity and the comics. It was such a great build up, and then it was just cancelled.
Buffy season 1: Final season potential. Safe but sweet and heroic ending.
Buffy season 2: Left a huge lose end; A hero in Hell and a heroin running away.
Buffy season 3: Final season potential. It was epic, just like season 5&7.
Buffy season 4: Final season potential, but left a bit too much confusion.
Buffy season 5: Final season potential. Damn near perfect.
Buffy season 6: If it wasn't sure the Spike getting his soul part, leaving us confused and needing more, this would have made a great final season.
Buffy season 7: Final season potential. Left us with questions, but lots of hope.
Angel season 1: Final season potential. But felt kind of "safe".
Angel season 2: Could have worked as a final season in case Willow had not showed up telling Angel that Buffy was dead. Left a huge questionmark in thos characters' lives.
Angel season 3: Left the main character at the bottom of the ocean. I would ahve screamed if that was the final season.
Angel season 4: A zillion questionmarks, confusion and disgust, ending with the main character causing memory loss in his friends and the characters selling their souls to a big evil corporation.
Angel season 5: Final season potential. Technically it is the final season. And I had accepted that it was, but still, I wanted more. The entire plan in Not Fade Away was so stupid.

So, my favorite potential final season is actually my favorite season; Buffy season 5. It had the drama, the big villain that needed to be defeated and a heroic ending. And loss, but the kind that made us think; "The villain was defeated, something heartbreaking just happened, but there's a tomorrow. Life will go on."

PS. I haven't considered Dollhouse's seasons. Never got into that show.
 
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