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Do you really think that The First is the true threat this season?
I mean, i was just thinking, we all have asumptions, and they are usually the most obvious ones, which all end up wrong. The shows creators seem to have a habbit of making us believe that something will happen, but its completely the opposite to whats happening.
Obviously, we know that The First is one of the biggest big bads we've seen, but are we being thrown into believing he is the one who could change the show.
I know I'm making just a lot of assumptions here, but i really believe what im trying to get across is true.
We've heard The First say one time ''Kill them all, except her'' Straight away, i think its safe to say that we all thought 'Buffy' when we heard this, but is he talking about Buffy?
He could be talking about Willow, she may have the power that he needs, or Dawn, maybe her being The Key once may be brought back into the show. Maybe even one important SIT, is a spy for the First, like Kennedy, or someone we dont suspect.
I may be proven VERY wrong by posting this (if which, i will run away, hide like a big girl, and never visit this forum again-only joking), but I think my theory's may have been part of other peoples theorys before.
 
It's something to think about, but if they're not battling the big-bad in terms of the First Evil, then what are they battling?

The only other thing that's been evil so far are the bringers and the ubervamp.

So, I just wonder about that, but I do believe that Kennedy is an agent of the First. She's evil and I don't like her 🙂
 
I know that The First is a big threat, and possibly THE big bad, but what im trying to get across is that there may be more than meets the eye. We havent really learned why The First tries to torture souled vampires.
In 'Amends' of season 3. Angel goes to kill himself, by expossing himself to sunlight, the First, in the form of Jenny says 'It wasnt supposed to happen this way. But it will do' We dont know what it was on about then.
And Cassie, telling Spike 'she'll tell you' everyone just assumes that she means she'll tell him she loves him, this may very well be the case, but theres so much we dont know.
Another question is, what we seen in CWDP, was that really Joyce?
 
I'm jumping in here with a post I just made on the thread called
Speculation on How to Stop S7 Big Bad ...
because after posting, I realized it was totally off topic. My post is my speculation on WHY the First Evil is making an all-out-attack now. I think it is more on-topic in this thread.



Originally posted by Grayson
I agree with your suspicion that Faith is really the reason for the whole "First Evil". The FE needs a champion to fight Buffy. My own guess is either Faith or Angel(us) will ultimately take the job.
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I think it's Spike ~ Faith is good now, I don't see her going back. And everything I've read says that Angelus will be restored to Angel before Faith even shows up on BTVS.

The reason I think it's Spike:
I think that when Beloxia's Eye (I'm sure I spelled that wrong) said that Buffy was responsible for FE going on the all-out-attack now, was slightly mis-leading. I think more accurately that Buffy is indirectly responsible, that FE is on the attack because there is another vampire-with-a-soul which Spike would not have become if Buffy had stayed dead.

The last time FE made an appearance was when Angel, a vampire-with-a-soul, was started actively fighting on the side of good. I don't think it's a coincidence the FE shows up right when another vampire-with-a-soul wants to be good.
 
reasons for the return of the first

hi im new so if i am a little out of the heart of this topic just tell me to piss off
i remember in season two when giles is researching to help angel he finds information on what happens when a vampire becomes what it is the soul of the person is set free it dosnt go to hell or heaven it remains in limbo that is why the gypsies were able to restore it to angel in the first place so spikes soul cant really have a part in the firsts arrival the soul was already on earth returning it to its body dosnt make for more good power on earth it only changes the location of it
well thats what i think but dont mean im right
 
I really think that The First is here, purely for Spike, not Buffy's death. Angels got a soul, so has Spike, it showed up when Angel came back, and it has now Spike has, (in the words of the Charmed One- my friend) coincidence, i think not!
 
Im not really sure about all this though. I mean I can see valid points for the FE being here for spike but i kinda thought they would make the last season (crying now) really focus on Buffy since thats where it all started in the first season and that would be where they ended in the last season?
 
the appereance of the first in season three of buffy is different then spike remember the first is who brought angel back he was serving his sentence in hell for his sins the first intentionally brought him back in hell he had his soul because willow was able to return it just befor buffy had to kill him so when the first brought him back it knew he had a soul angel started his active fight against evil befor buffy had even become a slayer so the first showed up quite awhile after he started to fight evil the first did not come to kill angle it came to restore him the first plays with the mind of vampires with souls because they have evil in them making them an easier victum to its mind games and controlling them.also evil likes to tourcher so vampires with a soul slayers and others as such are more funof a game then normal people
 
Im wondering why The First hasnt appeared as anyone Spike has killed, apart from Nikki, it just seems to be Buffy thats haunting him the most.
 
i think its because buffy is the only thing that is special to spike anymore so being her all the time is more painfull then it woukd be as others or maybe it is trying to do the same as it did to angel in season 3 of buffy no matter what the reason is i think JW is is doing it to show how much he loves buffy everytime the first tries to get him to kill buffy he fights it i think its to match his love for buffy like angels love in season 3 when angel was going to kill himself so the first couldnt get him to kill buffy to try and get the veiwers to open up to the spike/buffy relashionship
 
i think the First has come back because of something that BOTH faith and Buffy has done...Beljoxar's Eye never specifically said "Buffy" perhaps it is something Faith has done???
 
I don't see how Spike has anything to do with the imbalance in the slayer line. He is not a slayer, just happens to be in love with one.

The First brought Angel back from Hell to kill Buffy... Spike never went to hell and chose to recieve his soul back on his own. He was never cursed with the soul.

I think the First is here because there are two slayers... one who was bad but on the road to a better life, so now the First is pissed. I think he is going to try and turn Faith against everybody and kill them all. She was evil and now she's getting better, so the FIrst has lost it's frontman.

does that make any sense to anybody else?
 
Originally posted by CharmedChosenOne
i think the First has come back because of something that BOTH faith and Buffy has done...Beljoxar's Eye never specifically said "Buffy" perhaps it is something Faith has done???
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thats what i thought, he said 'Slayer' not Buffy, and it might not be Faith or Buffy it could be a SIT, i never did trust or like Kennedy
 
IIt said the slayer disrupted the chosen line, not the slayer line.
The shadowmen also said Buffy was the last guardian of the hellmouth, not the last slayer.
 
i have this theory that is hard to explain without pictographic assistance but here goes a try at it anyway...lol


Buffy lives! yay! she gets "called," she dies temporarily, brought back...Kendra lives! YAY! Kendra is called after being trained all her life....Kendra is called by Buffy's death, but buffy is revived the "call" gets intersected by Buffy's revival and splits between them both, they both feed off the same call! Kendra dies her slayer power passes onto the next slayer...but wait the slayer before Kendra is still alive! GASP!!! the power transfer gets intersected again! and Buffy now gets more slayer power, explains continued growth in strength over years....Faith now dies, all SITs may die at the end of season noone left to have power transferred to, so AGAIN Buffy receives all the power from Faith...so, Buffy's original slayer power has been increased exponentially....anyone get my drift???

And if Dawn dies Buffy will quit, according to season 5, so perhaps Willow wil find a way to extract the power from Buffy, and Willow will start a new slayer line, afterall she is the most powerful witch on the planet! lol Perhaps she x-fers the power to Kennedy? or herself? sothat the world wouldn't be without the slayer!
 
the slayer herself is the source of this disruption. everything will be disrupted by her behavior ) every-one asumes this means buffy comming back to life but where does it say that? buffy may be the source of disruption or not but the disruption dosnt have to be her reserection and if it was why didnt the first start the apocalipse last year when buffy was at her weakest (the master killed buffy by draining almost all her blood but buffy was still able to come back stronger then befor (think for a moment slayers are special but they still have mortal body without blood they die buffy came back in about 15 minutes although she heals fast do you think that her body replenished her blood that fast if so then the 2 slayers spike killed would have came back also buffys regeneration could not have been natural it had to be mystacle and i believe that it is also the source of her power the first appears to people trying to get them to kill buffy not faith the first is only afraid of one slayer it has no intrest in faith i think that it is only afraid of buffy that she is the only one who can stop it if her power is from when the mastr killed her then it is already like the power of the first slayer perhaps only evil power can stop the first evil and that is why the shadow men tried to give her more maybe they didnt think she had enough the first evil has been trying to kill buffy for 6 years there is a reason for its persictance the first cant be killed only contained there are 6 more episodes the finale is titled the choosen faith is going to be in the next 5 what does that tell you ... she will die in the second last ep. then a new choosen one shall rise in the finale i honestly dont have a clue who i just hope it isnt dawn cause she a crappy actress but buffy wont die and she wont get the slayer powers back thats to corny for JW
 
The First brainwashed Spike for a reason, who knows what it can make him do. Maybe it didn't care that Angel was going to kill himself in S3 because it knew that another vampire with a soul would come along? I also think that a vamp with a soul is what it wants for whatever it's evil plan may be. It has 2 to choose from now.
 
Why does everyone think that Buffy and Angel will link together? DB will be appearing on the last episode, but i dont think the two shows will link now, there both so different
 
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