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If Giles hadn't left in season 6 (for the sake of argument let's ignore ASH availability) what do you think would have gone different? Do you think anything would have been different? What character do you think would have been impacted the most by Giles staying?

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If Giles hadn't left in season 6 (for the sake of argument let's ignore ASH availability) what do you think would have gone different? Do you think anything would have been different? What character do you think would have been impacted the most by Giles staying?

Discuss...

Maybe Dawn? Over time he could have become more of a father figure to her. At the start she just sees him as a stuffy old guy who is just there. But as she matured, but needed different kind of guidence then I guess he could have provided that. With Giles being so anti-Spike, but Dawn having a soft spot for him there could have been some interesting clashes between the two over him. I don't know if much would have changed with him staying, but this is certainly a route they could have taken.
 
First off, the things that Giles would not have been able to prevent. Willow's plan to bring Buffy back. He had no clue as to what they were planning, as was made obvious by his leaving in the first place. Likewise, Buffy's affair with Spike, for the same reason. Unless Buffy had gone to him for help as she went to Tara later, which I doubt, Giles would have been just as clueless as everyone else about how severe Buffy's state of depression had progressed, or even that she actually was depressed before "Once More With Feeling," and what it had resulted in, or he wouldn't have left Sunnydale the second time. He wouldn't have been able to prevent "Seeing Red" or Spike's leaving town in search of his soul, any more than Xander or the others could have, simply because he had no knowledge of what was happening until after the fact He couldn't have stopped Warren killing Tara, any more than Buffy could have, simply because it was such an unexpected thing.

As for what Giles actually might have been able to do, I can see two possibilities. He might have been able to help Willow in controlling her magic addiction, and he might have been able to help Buffy deal with her depression, but only after he realized that those things were happening. Weigh that against the advantage that his being able to return with the power that the Coven had given him in order to help in stopping Dark , and it seems pretty obvious that, ultimately, Giles leaving was more valuable than his staying would have been.
 
Do you think anything would have been different?
Everything would have been different. There were only two characters that could claim the moral high ground, that being Giles and Spike, as neither were aware of what was taking place. Spike for obvious reasons, as he was an evil monster, Giles because he wasn't there.

I think Giles would have lost much of his authority as it could always be thrown back, you let this happen, you were not involved in our lives etc. It's one thing him being across the pond, the other being the 'absentee father' while still in town. He certainly would not be in a position to chastise anyone in season 7. Further, if Team Buffy had such trouble as it did with the Buffybot doing rounds, etc, and Giles was there to lend a hand and did not, it would really have put the character into a nice grey area. A grey area wish could have been fun to play around with since he mercilessly a human not to long ago. Giles could have, if he had stayed, had turned in an arc similar to Wes on Angel.
 
I agree with White Avenger. The issues of S6 were there even before Giles left but he didn't see the warnings or didn't know how to deal with them, so I don't think nothing important would have changed if he had stayed. Unless maybe Xander? It's possible that he would have sought the advice of the older man about his personal worries
 
I doubt Giles would have been able to help Willow unless he would have been willing to do so by force. When he confronted her, it only incensed her. Had he stayed, things might have gotten out of control with her sooner. Same result with Buffy, IMO. He pretty clearly either didn't notice or refused to see her mental state, which would have only driven her further down.

Perhaps the only storyline that might have changed was Xander's as perhaps he might have confided with Giles about his fears. Perhaps.
 
I think Giles would've made a huge difference if he'd stayed.

Firstly, with the research. Willow and everybody else were very much off their game due to personal crap but I think Giles would've helped them focus when it came to researching the bad guys. This almost surely would've meant being on the trail of the Trio that much sooner. From what we saw these guys weren't very good at covering their tracks.
With Giles help Warren and Co. would've been found well before 'Normal Again/Seeing Red', and if that had happened it's doubtful Warren would've had the opportunity to escape with his silly rocket pack. The Trio go to jail.

Secondly, Willow. When Willow finally admitted that she had a huge problem with magic then I think Giles could've helped her with that- just like he did in S7.

Thirdly, if Xander had had an older male friend to confide his worries in (and Giles was sympathetic/proud in 'All The Way') then it's possible Xander could have had a realisation earlier about him and Anya, or perhaps even had gone through with marrying her in the end.

Fourthly he would've been partly been able to support Buffy, maybe financially or maybe just with Dawn and slaying. Pehaps training would've helped her focus and deal with her depression. Meditation and relaxation have been known to help with severe clinical depression which is basically what Buffy had.

Lastly, after 'Seeing Red' either Giles find out what happened from Buffy herself or Xander tells him, then ol' Ripper emerges and he goes and sees Spike. Spike is dust unless Clem intervenes. Probably not.

So yeah, Giles could've helped with a lot of the problems in S6 which is no doubt why he was wasn't around. If 'life' is the Big Bad then it doesn't help the writers to have a forty-something adult around to help out.
 
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