The Intervention Kiss
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Mr Trick
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Well I don't think that's true, because for one Buffy hit better ratings after season 4 so there was no reason for them to stop at this point. And even if they didn't have a season 6 planned, Joss had been threated with the show getting the chop from the start and that didn't stop him planning ahead. To me that's how he works, he is always thinking at least a season ahead. Even if he believed there would be no season 6 I still think he would plan for one just in case. Besides which that was just my take on that scene. You can still apply such a thing to that scene whether the writers knew the history of the show or not.
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It was a thank you. Why does it have to be more than that? Something can just be an expression of gratitude without it being related to feelings or lust or whatever.
It could definitely be just a thank you. But I think it was more than that because Buffy kissed Spike on the mouth. She knew he believed he was in love with her, so she must have known that he would consider a kiss on the mouth to be more than a thank you. In a later episode he says (I'm going to misquote this, so apologies, but I think I've got the gist) 'We kissed Buffy. It means something' - so to Spike a kiss is more meaningful than just a 'thank you'
Mr Trick
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I think its possible that there were feelings for Spike bubbling inside Buffy without her being aware of them. At this point I still think it was more a respect than having romantic feelings, but maybe this was the start of it.
GoSpuffy
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It was only about 4 episodes later in "the gift" when Buffy says to everyone sitting around the table, including Spike, "I love you all". Not I love most of you, or I care for you all or I love all of you except Spike. I don't think it was a romantic love at this time but I think it is clear that she accepts Spike as part of her inner circle. He fought by her side, protected her family, she knew of all her friends he would be the one she could trust Dawn with the most. Later when Spike says "I know you never loved me but you treat me like a man" he's acknowledging that he knows they are close, it's not the romantic love he wanted but he appreciates the friendship she is offering and that it is enough. There's definitely some pretty strong feelings between them at the end of season 5. I can see why she turned to him with her secret and looking for solace in S6.
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GoSpuffy
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She was speaking from the heart. There are different kinds of love. By this point Spike had proven himself to her as being on her side and she trusted him implicitly. And the gift is the first time she trusts Spike more than Giles when it comes to Dawns safety which really does set up for how she chose Spike over Giles at the end of S7 too.
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GoSpuffy
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Really? Or is that sarcasm? I'm confused. Isn't it a law that we can't agree? Did you wake up on the "not contrary" side of the bed this morning? Is there an apocolypse coming? Darn, and right before the weekend too.
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I said that a long time ago. I said the Gift was the perfect ending as it made Spike the hero he wanted to be, and he was redeemed from and by Buffy; Buffy could go out on her terms- fighting- saving the world and the ones she loved one last time; Dawn finally understood her place and her worth. The Gift was the perfect ending to the show and they went and ruined it. The series would have ending on a high note. (except for Buffy's death, but she was an 87 year old man by that point anyway)
That still doesn't stop me from thinking the kiss was anything more than her showing appreciation and thanking him.
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I love seasons 6 and 7. They just don't really belong to the Buffy show from the previous network. They have a completely different tone, atmosphere and purpose. You have Buffy the Original Series (seasons 1 - 5) and the Buffy the Reboot Series (seasons 6 - 11)
@GoSpuffy Yes, between the Brexit fiasco and now the GoPo accords, yes, the earth is doomed
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OMG, that is too close to agreement for my tastes. The earth is definitely doomed.
Mr Trick
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Do you?😵 I most have been reading someone else's with the same username posts knocking them then😉
Yeah personally I don't think she is including Spike in that love statement. It just so happens than he is in the room at the time.
GoSpuffy
You seem to know Mr. Pole. She's including Spike. Not in a romantic sense, but in a "you're my people, we're a team" sense. She relies on Spike above all others to keep Dawn safe.
I just want to add that Giles, Xander and Willow have saved Buffy and Dawns life numerous times, and not once do we see Buffy kissing them on the mouth as a way of thanks. Not once.
Yet Spike, who Buffy says she hates, gets a kiss on the mouth. It only makes sense to me if she she has feelings for him.
Yet Spike, who Buffy says she hates, gets a kiss on the mouth. It only makes sense to me if she she has feelings for him.
GoSpuffy
Very good point.
Mr Trick
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Well besides Willow if she did with any of them it would be wrong on so many levels😉
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Giles, Willow and Xander aren't in love with Buffy at that point so why should she kiss them?
Buffy has no romantic feelings for him at that point.
The kiss was 1. a thank you and 2. a reward for doing the right thing.
It's basically a disciplinary measure and says: "You see Spike? If you're doing good for the right reasons, you'll get real and genuine affection."
But Spike probably got the message wrong by thinking doing good would force Buffy to fall in love with him as we can see in S06/07.
Buffy has no romantic feelings for him at that point.
The kiss was 1. a thank you and 2. a reward for doing the right thing.
It's basically a disciplinary measure and says: "You see Spike? If you're doing good for the right reasons, you'll get real and genuine affection."
But Spike probably got the message wrong by thinking doing good would force Buffy to fall in love with him as we can see in S06/07.
But why would she kiss someone who was in love with her? Why would she kiss anyone on the mouth if she had no romantic feelings for them?
There are peoople who kiss others on the mouth, even if they have no romantic feelings for them, and that's fine, but Buffy has never done that previously, so why should she start now, with Spike, and especially when she knows he's in love with her?
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Probably because she thinks she owes him that for protecting Dawn, and, as I said, as a reward. If Spike weren't in love with her but desperately wanted to be friends with her instead, she probably wouldn't have kissed him but had given him a handshake or a hug.
I'm not saying it was a clever move, though, because it might have sent wrong signals to a soulless demon.
If that was the case, then it was a very cruel and heartless thing to do, and I can't think of Buffy that way. Kissing someone who is in love with you, though you have no feelings for them, is a horrible teasing thing to do.
When Xander was in love with her, Buffy didn't kiss him, even though he was a hero and helped her countless times. She didn't kiss him becasue she didn't want to encourage a love she could never reciprocate. She kissed Spike because she ddi feel something, maybe more lust than love, but definitely something