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The John carter/Star Wars Connection
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vellavu
Scooby
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I miss you more than Michael Bay missed the mark
when he made Pearl Harbor.
I miss you more than that movie missed the point
and that's a lot girl. And now, now you've gone away
and all I'm trying to say is Pearl Harbor sucked
and I miss you.
I need you like Ben Affleck needs acting school.
He was terrible in that film.
I need you like Cuba Gooding needed a bigger part.
He's way better than Ben Affleck, and now
all I can think about is your smile and that shitty movie too, Pearl Harbor sucked and I miss you.
Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies.
I guess Pearl Harbor sucked just a little bit more than
I miss you.
white avenger
white avenger
All of Burroughs' Mars series are available in book form from Amazon and several online sites, plus, you can just about always find some or all of them in used book stores. Of the Mars Series, the first 3 feature Carter as the central character, then it shifts to his son, Carthoris, for the next (Thuvia, Maid of Mars), then his daughter, Tara (maybe Joss was a Burroughs fan, too!) in "The Chessmen Of Mars, and then another Earth man, Ulysses Paxton, in "The Mastermind of Mars." By that point, the stories slip somewhat in quality, but they're still fun to read, and, by the time that you've read that far, you have almost certainly discovered the worlds of Caspac, Pellucidar, Amator, and, of course, the Africa of Tarzan.
Burroughs' greatest talent was creating new worlds, and filling them with fascinating, exotic places, beasts, warriors, and beautiful women in need of rescue. Some of his works border on epic, some are pure pot boilers, written to pay the bills, with plots simply recycled with different characters and locations. Burroughs is quite similar to Whedon and Roddenberry, in the fact that, once you discover him, you either come away wanting more, or you never completely "get" what the universe that he has created is truly about.
Mr Trick
Scooby
Yeah I just asked about the book thing as I'm anti-Kindle and could never bring myself to read a book on one of them. I would like to check some of his stuff out at some point.
white avenger
white avenger
I've seen volumes at Barnes &Nobel that contain the whole first trilogy of the Mars series, and others that contain those three, and "Thuvia" and "Chessmen," for quite reasonable prices.One of those would probably get you well started on a Burroughs addiction, or convince you that he isn't your sort of writer. One bit of information that you might find useful. Burroughs' John Carter is far more than Stanton could ever portray in a single film, assuming that he could find a single actor capable of playing such a character, and the story line portrayed in the movie comprises only about a third, or less, of what is covered in the book.
I hope you find the books and enjoy them. There can never be too many Burroughs fans in the world.
Mr Trick
Scooby
I've not seen the film partly because I was put off by the reviews. But it just seems like a disater from start to finish. I mean Stanton has done good work in the past, but he seemed totally the wrong director for this sort of film, and it just seems like the amount of money they piled on was just too excessive. I will approach the books with an open mind don't worry.
white avenger
white avenger
Actually, I think Stanton did a surprisingly good job, given the difficulties that filming a story such as this would have to present. If you do happen to read the books, then decide to give the movie a chance, you might be pleasantly surprised. John Carter was the first 20th Century superhero, and at least the partial inspiration for almost everything that has followed. Part of Stanton's problem, I think, was that this was a project too close to his heart. Because he knew and loved the Warlord, he naturally assumed that everyone else would do the same. Then, whether through complacence or just plain stupidity, those in charge of advertising and marketing totally dropped the ball.
"John Carter" sold over $300,ooo,ooo.oo in tickets, worldwide. If the movie had been kept within budget, it would have been a hit (Read "John Carter And The Gods Of Hollywood," if you're interested in the full story) Stanton's first venture into live action movie making was a disaster, financially. Artistically, not nearly so much.
I do think that, if Stanton had made "John Carter" as a quality animated feature, something like last year's "Tarzan," it would have been far less expensive, and a real success both artistically and financially, and we would have had "John carter And The Gods Of Mars" by now, with "The Warlord Of Mars" ready for release in the near future, with serious plans for "Carson Of Venus" and the Pellucidar series in development.
Mr Trick
Scooby
Well maybe, but I always think putting that much money behind a new franchise (in film terms) is too much of a gamble, and with films like Inception and the Batman films in recent years I do think that audiences are looking for more from a Summer blockbuster than just gernatic plotting, and over blown speical effects etc... The other thing is that the artistic side of the film seems tend to the financial in this case. As it can be distracting for an audience or for critics to view such a film objectively when it cost so much to make and there doesn't seem to be enough of a reason for that amount of money to be spent. Its possibly that there was studio interferance and Stanton was not allowed to stay true to his vision too.
Thing you might be spot on with your second point, Animations tend to always do well, and if targeted at the right audience I think it would have worked, and no doubt the costs would have been lower, so win-win.