The Killer In Me--thoughts

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I'm watching this episode at the moment, and I just wondered: am I the only one who found the entire Willow/Kennedy of this episode distracting and was time that could have better been spent on the Spike/Buffy/Deteriorating Chip story? Or watching Anya paint her toenails, for that matter. (Does anyone notice my dislike of the Willow/Kennedy relationship here?)
 
As far as I am concerned Kennedy is the route of all evil and is crying out for a good evisceration!! I have never so violently disliked a character as I have her!! So belive me I'm right there with ya!!
 
I understand the necessity for Willow to move on. Life does continue after someone dies, and I think it would have gotten annoying if Willow was constantly mopey and depressed over Tara's death. (Buffy barely avoided this annoyingness after her failed relationships, usually because something huge was going on. It was too early in the season for Willow to be so distracted, however.) HOWEVER, I do have to agree that the Willow/Kennedy relationship was horrible; it felt contrived, I didn't believe that Willow would like someone like her. . . . Honestly, it felt like they were involved because they were the only two lesbians around and had no other choice. And I hated Kennedy.

So, yeah, I'm right there with you. I'd rather watch Anya paint her toenails than watch Willow and Kennedy make out, too.
 
The Chosen
The Chosen
That's how i feel! (about the lesbian thing)
(Checks medicine cabinet.) 'S'okay - there's plenty for everybody... :whistle:

Ok am I to interpret it that you are pro Willow/kennedy?? cuz if you are your going to be needing that cabinet full of meds!!
 
white avenger
white avenger
Wait a minute now...Doesn't Anya keep her nail polish in that cabinet?
Willow/Kennedy Bedamned!

It was too early in the season for Willow to be so distracted, however.) HOWEVER, I do have to agree that the Willow/Kennedy relationship was horrible; it felt contrived, I didn't believe that Willow would like someone like her. . . . Honestly, it felt like they were involved because they were the only two lesbians around and had no other choice. And I hated Kennedy.

So, yeah, I'm right there with you. I'd rather watch Anya paint her toenails than watch Willow and Kennedy make out, too.


Not only was it too early and contrived, we're talking about a FIFTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL and a twenty two year old woman.

In Georgia, that constitutes child molestation if not statutory rape. Granted, it looked like the world was more than likely about to end, but still, Kennedy's little more than a baby and Willow's old enough to know better, and if she's not, Giles certainly is.

If he had the nerve to appoint himself Buffy's moral conscience, actually trying to kill one of the group's strongest fighters just because he "wanted more" for Buffy than a man who had gone against his very nature to risk death by regaining his soul (and almost dying in the process) after, even in a soul-less state assisting in averting at least 3 apocalypses and enduring torture by a hell god to protect the Slayer and her family and friends (and remember, Spike and Buffy weren't at that time "doing the deed" while Willow and Kennedy were cuddling all over the house in plain sight of whoever cared to look), why wasn't he at least as conscientious about Willow?

Maybe the old Watcher needs to put his glasses back on, because he obviously isn't seeing everything that's going on right under his meddling nose.
 
Ok am I to interpret it that you are pro Willow/kennedy?? cuz if you are your going to be needing that cabinet full of meds!!
I am, yep. The first knee-jerk reaction I had to Kennedy was "Who the hell she think she is?" Then I started paying a little more attention and started noticing some things, and I decided I actually like Kennedy quite a lot. I posted this in response to a poster's question over on Iyari Limon's fansite, and, since you ask, :lmao: I'll repost it here:

Not sure this is really on-topic, but since a Kennedy analysis was requested, here y'go, a couple posts I made at other places some time ago. There are a few icon commands that didn't parse, but the intent is pretty clear. First, the short version, posted in response to another poster's comment.

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Personally, FWIW (not much, I know,) I'm with you. I didn't like Kennedy in the beginning, but she kinda grew on me. At least she does recognize that she's "kind of a brat," and we also got to see that she's willing to drop the bad-[MOOSE] attitude when it benefits someone she really cares about. While she obviously started out playing Willow just to see if she could get lucky, she just as obviously did wind up really caring for her, otherwise she wouldn't have been willing to stick with her after nearly biting the big one at Willow's hands not once, but twice. No, she's not Tara - for Willow, will there ever be another Tara? - but Willow needed a push to get her functioning again, and Kennedy's perseverance and support helped kick-start that.

Plus, Iyari? Cute...
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And the extended version, posted at another board in response to a similar thread:

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With respect to the Willow and Kennedy thing, Kennedy grew on me. Here's kinda how my thoughts went (this is a long post. Hope I don't bore anybody, and I hope it's not out of line here. Just been a while since I actually got to take time to play the game...)

First, I need to start off with some stipulations:

1. I really, really like both Aly and Amber, though I've never met either. From all reports, they're both really nice people.
2. I really, really liked Willow, and Aly's portrayal.
3. I really, really liked Tara, and Amber's portrayal.
4. I really, really liked Willow and Tara as a couple.
5. I really, really hated to see Tara killed off.
6. I really, really hated to see Willow hurt so badly.
7. However, I really, really liked the drama it created (Is there a "shrug" icon? No? Darn.)

Okay, so here goes:

I really, really like Iyari, though I've never met her. From all reports, she's really nice people. As for Kennedy:

"Bring On The Night"
"¢ I was pretty annoyed with Kennedy's attitude towards Buffy when she first appeared. Who she think she are? ::huh1:: She's cute, though.
"¢ Is she really flirting with Willow in that pushy manner? Who she think she are? ::huh1:: She's cute, though.

"Showtime"
"¢ Huh. Sounds like maybe she really is interested in Willow in more than just an "I wanna jump your bones way."
"¢ Huh, again. She's really protective of Willow, taking her side against the other Slayerettes. Whuzzat all about?
"¢ Whoa, girl's got backbone, too. Maybe I misread her. (Maybe I was supposed to... ?)

"The Killer In Me"
"¢ Okay, she's devious, sneaky; a lot of similar traits to most of the Scoobies, actually. And, at this point, it might actually take something like that to get Willow out of the house.
"¢ Hm, okay, she can be forthright and honest when she wants to. Seems like maybe she really is interested in more than just a one-night stand.
"¢ Willow took on Warren's appearance when they kissed? Well, so much for that budding romance"¦
"¢ Huh. How about that. Not only is she trying to help someone she barely knows with a problem she isn't remotely prepared to deal with, she's ready to open a whole can of whup-ass on Amy for causing it. And she don't back down worth a damn.
"¢ Willow? With a pistol? Well, so much for that budding romance...
"¢ Well, now, that's interesting. For someone who doesn't really even believe in magic, she catches on quick. And she don't back down worth a damn. We'll see where this goes.

"First Date"
"¢ Okay, so W & K are still friendly, even after Willow threw down on her last episode. Not sure I could put that behind me; a wise man told me long ago: "Never get hooked up with a woman who's got more problems than you do." But, it's Willow, so in Kennedy's place, I'd probably ignore that advise, too... :blushy:

"Get It Done"
"¢ Damn, she's cocky. Chloe needs to clock her one.
"¢ Kennedy looks really upset over Chloe's suicide. And the First Evil's hint that she helped it along hurt her. She's still got a temper, though, and she doesn't really understand the Buffy/Willow dynamic - but technically, she's right about who's the most powerful. She just says things when she's mad that she probably should think over.
"¢ The "Exchange Student" would make three of her, and she jumped right in without a second's hesitation. Girl's got backbone. But she really doesn't understand how dangerous Willow's talent can be.
"¢ Oops. Guess she does now. So much for that budding romance...

"Storyteller"
"¢ Well, now. That's twice Kennedy has nearly been at the ouch end of Willow's issues, and she's still interested? She must be truly Willow-smitten (well, naturally. Who could blame her?)

"Empty Places"
"¢ I'm ambivalent on this one. On the one hand, Kennedy had enough grace to apologize to Buffy for her thoughtless remark, and again shows her backbone by being the first to take action against an armed cop in the Bronze, but on the other hand, she then is in the lead later when the Slayerettes revolt. On the third hand (waitaminnit, where'd that come from?? ) she has a point, and, while she's certainly not being very diplomatic, she's not actually being a bitca about it the way Rona is; she's just mad.

"Touched"
"¢ Kennedy doesn't like being dismissed without being heard, but when it comes down to it, she does the job (and, in retrospect, she may have been right,) and seems to get over it pretty quickly. Her aggression concerns Willow, though. Not sure where that's going to lead.
"¢ Well. No power, no fancy dinner, no nice restaurants, no soft music, so Kennedy does the best she can with what she has to work with. Boot the roommates to ensure some privacy, light some candles, ditch the sweatsuit, surprise!
"¢ Willow's still a nervous wreck, and terrified of herself; surprisingly, Kennedy is patient, understanding, and gentle with her, a side of Kennedy that we haven't seen come out with anyone but Willow (and I thought Iyari did a very good job of making Kennedy look like she really wants Willow so badly she can't keep her hands off. Notice all the subtle little "business": little kisses, nuzzles, and even what appears to be a tummy rub just out of camera view :looking: (yes, I noticed. What am I, dead? :biggrin: )) Also, Kennedy lets Willow take what she needs first.
"¢ Looks like both women survived the night. She might be good for the little red witch, after all.
"¢ Kennedy go boom? Well... so much for that budding romance. And just when I was starting to like her...

"End of Days"
"¢ Looks like a few of the Slayerettes survived the blast, including Kennedy. She's a born leader; she takes charge, and might have gotten them out if it hadn't been for the Turok-hans' appearance. Once again, I'll say this: the girl's got backbone. And, stubborn as she is, she does acknowledge to Buffy that they made a mistake (or is starting to when she's interrupted.)

"Chosen"
"¢ Kennedy's expression is hard to read during the first part of Buffy's speech, when Buffy says that she knows some of them wish she hadn't been the Chosen One: maybe a little agreement, a little guilt.
"¢ Again, notice the little subtle "business" when Willow is working on her spell and Kennedy is lying on the bed behind her; she has just the hint of a smile as she's playing with a strand of Willow's hair.
"¢ Okay, well, Kennedy's being fair about Buffy, which actually gets her high marks; they've butted heads enough it would be easy for her to just blow off anything Buff suggests, but this time she thinks Buffy's right and says so. She also admits to her own faults, which gets another positive mark. And we see something here that hasn't really shown up much since she first arrived: she's scared. With good reason, really. She's trained since she was a child to maybe be the one Called to fight the forces of Evil; now, here she is in the middle of that fight, but without those Slayer powers. And she's still young.
"¢ And she's in love. She doesn't really say the word, but she doesn't have to. What she does say, and the way she looks at her girl, says it all. She has really and truly fallen for Willow. (Whether Willow returns those feelings or not, is a matter for debate all the way to the end. I think she's getting there, but she still has reservations.)
"¢ Speaking of the end, did I mention that the girl's got backbone?

So... Okay, I now officially like Kennedy a lot. She's not Tara, but that's okay; everybody's different, and Willow and Kennedy make a cute couple, too. Wish we'd got to see more of them.

Joss, about that spinoff...?

Gods, I love cut & paste... :lmao:
 
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GATEGOD
hugs ^_^ so right
You can't deny that you know what your talking about and I have the upmost respect for that. But here's the thing, I HATE HER!! I cannot explain it or rationalise it and to be honest i don't think I want to. Anytime she was on the screen I wanted to slap her.several times. and hard.with a shovel!!!! She could have found time to cure cancer and erradicate world hunger in between patrols and I would still find a reason to not like her!


maybe I should look into those meds????
 
Not only was it too early and contrived, we're talking about a FIFTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL and a twenty two year old woman.

Actually, no, we're not. Kennedy was nineteen - specifically stated in the script, even if not on the air, and even on the air was clearly older than the other Potentials. (And I'm fairly certain that's common knowledge among just about everybody now, so what's the point here?) That's legal everywhere, even in the US. We have no idea when Kennedy's birthday falls - or Willow's, for that matter - so the difference in their ages is only two or three years. I don't know what college you attended, but that wouldn't even raise an eyebrow anyplace I've ever been (wanta go down to the nearest university and count the number of freshman girls dating seniors?)

As far as the "too early" chorus, I'm amazed at the number of people on the internet who seem to have no experience of real-life losses. Tara had been dead over a year by the time Willow and Kennedy got together. That's not at all uncommon in real life - and Willow's relationship with Kennedy actually advanced at a slower pace than hers and Tara's. Too early for some of the fans, perhaps - but not for the real world.

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You can't deny that you know what your talking about and I have the upmost respect for that. But here's the thing, I HATE HER!! I cannot explain it or rationalise it and to be honest i don't think I want to. Anytime she was on the screen I wanted to slap her.several times. and hard.with a shovel!!!! She could have found time to cure cancer and erradicate world hunger in between patrols and I would still find a reason to not like her!


maybe I should look into those meds????

Heh! Okay. (Rummages through prescriptions...)

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Huh. "Automerged doublepost." That's what I get for watching TV and posting on the boards at the same time.
 
Actually, no, we're not. Kennedy was nineteen - specifically stated in the script, even if not on the air, and even on the air was clearly older than the other Potentials.
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I stand corrected. It was one of the other girls, Cloe, I think, who said that she was only 15. I still don't like the little twit, 15, 19, or old enough for Social Security.
 
Kennedy did like *really* annoy me. She was like a wannabe Faith, only Faith is you know..likeable. Besides I just thought the relationship was icky. I don't know. I think it's that- and before I say this which you all might misinterpret I am not against homosexuality in anyway, just so we're clear hehe- I never really considered Willow to be gay.I mean considering the way she fell for Xander and Oz, drooled over frat boys, Owen and crushed on Giles then we can at least say she's Bi-sexual, not gay. However, I don't think she would have ever dated women if she had not come across Tara. And in my view I always saw it as she wasn't lesbian, she just found her soul mate, and her soul mate *happened* to be a girl, do you understand what I'm saying? I hope it made sense. So when it just seemed a simple lust deal with Kennedy I was like 'nyeh...that ain't right'. Plus, I just didn't like Kennedy. Actually I hated all the potentials except Amanda, but let's not get into *that* here. hehe
 
The Chosen
The Chosen
i kinda feel that way too
Actually, no, we're not. Kennedy was nineteen - specifically stated in the script, even if not on the air, and even on the air was clearly older than the other Potentials.
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I stand corrected. It was one of the other girls, Cloe, I think, who said that she was only 15. I still don't like the little twit, 15, 19, or old enough for Social Security.
And that's a whole different thing from the other.

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Kennedy did like *really* annoy me. She was like a wannabe Faith, only Faith is you know..likeable.
Speak for yourself. As a character, I liked the drama that Faith brought to the series, but Faith herself? Never liked her, wouldn't have trusted her as far as I could throw a grand piano. Known too many people like her IRL (except they weren't Slayers, of course...)

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What the heck is with this "Automerged doublepost?" Does the forum software assume that two posts made within a certain time limit are unintentional?
 
And that's a whole different thing from the other.

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Speak for yourself. As a character, I liked the drama that Faith brought to the series, but Faith herself? Never liked her, wouldn't have trusted her as far as I could throw a grand piano. Known too many people like her IRL (except they weren't Slayers, of course...)

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What the heck is with this "Automerged doublepost?" Does the forum software assume that two posts made within a certain time limit are unintentional?

no it just saves room. If the same person posts two times in quick succession they get bunked together.
 
apparently they do. haha. it annoys me the automerge, because sometime your added edit makes the post less sensical...hehe
And no I would never *trust* Faith, but I don't know...I liked her. Second Slayers wise I preferred Kendra for her pure naivety but uber studious attitude, but Faith tops Kennedy in my opinion. But as you like Kennedy I will go no further into that, hehe ;-).
 
Kennedy did like *really* annoy me. She was like a wannabe Faith, only Faith is you know..likeable. Besides I just thought the relationship was icky. I don't know. I think it's that- and before I say this which you all might misinterpret I am not against homosexuality in anyway, just so we're clear hehe- I never really considered Willow to be gay.I mean considering the way she fell for Xander and Oz, drooled over frat boys, Owen and crushed on Giles then we can at least say she's Bi-sexual, not gay. However, I don't think she would have ever dated women if she had not come across Tara. And in my view I always saw it as she wasn't lesbian, she just found her soul mate, and her soul mate *happened* to be a girl, do you understand what I'm saying? I hope it made sense. So when it just seemed a simple lust deal with Kennedy I was like 'nyeh...that ain't right'. Plus, I just didn't like Kennedy. Actually I hated all the potentials except Amanda, but let's not get into *that* here. hehe

I completely get it, and Willow said it herself 'it wasn't women it was a woman' so I would agree about the whole not defining her thing. And the whole soulmate thing, it actually happened to one of my best friends. She had always gone out with fellas and really didn't show any interest in girls but for the last two years she has been completely head over heels in love with a girl! For that reason I don't really like sticking labels on people, shes not suddenly gay or lesbian shes the same as she always was!!
Damn I always end up rambling!
 
Rambling, maybe, but this I agree with. I've always seen Willow not as gay or straight or any other label, just a rather lonely, needy person who loves who she loves regardless of gender - and who she loves seems to be defined in terms of who pays attention to her. Both Oz and Tara won Willow in the same way that Kennedy did, albeit more subtly. Don't believe me? Go back and re-watch. Willow was pretty much indifferent to both (Oz was totally right about Will's motive in coming on to him in the van) until they displayed a real interest in her - something that she wasn't used to and never really "got." Not saying that either Oz or Tara were being manipulative, but the "quiet seduction" was more in keeping with their natures; Kennedy was just more obvious about it.
 
I'm so glad you guys got what I was trying to say haha! And Keanoite- that is really uncanny such a similar situation happening to your friend. But I totally agree on the whole 'non-labelling' front. And I'd forgot that quote of 'it wasn't omen it was *a* woman'. I could have so backed my argument more effectively there. But cha came through for me there. haha.

Rowen Hawthorn- you made an interesting point there about what made Willow interested in the people she was interested in. Hmm, I guess I'd never really thought about that before. I'll have to go back and look now so I can nod in agreement and go 'hmm' so as to not look dumb. hehe ;-)
 
Hahaha I know! she is really insecure about it, I'm the only person who knows about her and her girlfriend but I told her about Willow and Tara and it actually really made her feel better, like she wasn't freak for feeling what she was feeling so for that reason alone I will always prefer willow and tara.

Oh and I agree about willow responding to people who pay her (positive) attention. No matter what she does she will in some way always be the one who couldn't talk to the boy she liked, she needs to pursued, magic aside, Willow will never be the agressor.
 
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