LittleMissLikesToFight
Into Every Generation...
I'm not saying she's fully to blame, of course Amy is to blame as well, but Kennedy was the catalyst.
The Killer In Me--thoughts
- Thread starter white avenger
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lol no she wasn't. Willow kissed her just as much as Kennedy engaged the Kiss. If you really think in those terms then it's Willows fault. I don't so I think it's all on Amy.
caitaintdead
Agreed. How was anyones fault but Amy's and Warren's?
Blondie Bear
Zydrate Addict
I think, like so many things in this season, this relationship was rushed. There wasn't time to properly develop the relationship; the writers really only had this one episode, and I think (though I LOVE the Buffy writers) that they dropped the ball on this one. Especially if they wanted us to like Kennedy. She came across as a pushy, self-centered brat who didn't care so much about Willow, but about her own desires. It felt like (let me emphasize that this is MY OPINION) she was helping Willow mostly because she wanted Willow back, not because being Warren was tearing Willow up. She didn't really understand what Willow had gone through, losing Tara and almost destroying the world, so she trivialized it and ignored Willow's own feelings in favor of her wants.
If given more time, like at least as much time as they had to develop Willow and Tara, maybe they could have worked the relationship better, made it more believable, made Kennedy less of a "bitca," but unfortunately the writers took on too much for the season and it fell through.
If given more time, like at least as much time as they had to develop Willow and Tara, maybe they could have worked the relationship better, made it more believable, made Kennedy less of a "bitca," but unfortunately the writers took on too much for the season and it fell through.
white avenger
white avenger
Just so everyone knows, this never started out as a slug Kennedy thread. Though I have little love for the girl (she would be the Slayer I would pick to guard the hellmouth in Siberia if there were one there, and if there weren't, I would assign her there just in case one should develop), I was more concerned with what I thought of as the REAL subject of the episode, namely the Spike-getting -his-chip-removed segment, which I thought didn't get nearly enough focus, considering how important it was to the rest of the season, and on into Angel Season 5.
Having said that, I have thoroughly enjoyed the Kennedy bashing. Feel free to continue as long as you might care to.
Having said that, I have thoroughly enjoyed the Kennedy bashing. Feel free to continue as long as you might care to.
Rowan Hawthorn
Potential
From what I've seen and read, any inconsistencies in Kennedy's character can probably be blamed on one of the directors, whom Iyari mentioned in one interview kept pushing her to "give me more bitch!" I've read all of the shooting scripts, and, while the lines are essentially the same (except for some that never made it into the final cut,) the character wasn't written that way. Oddly enough, most of the character traits people cite as being the reasons they hate her are exactly the same as those we've seen in every other Slayer on the show: Outspoken, irreverent, pushy, headstrong, and cocky.
I guess I just like Outspoken, irreverent, pushy, headstrong, cocky, and cute characters.:cheering: But really, I've recently re watched the episodes she was in and found little faults against her except for her outbursts against Faith and Buffy in one episode. Other then that she was a strong character who could pull the slayers together and get them through a fight, I always thought these were good character traits.
Eh, plus I feel to hate one character so much as you people do is irrational lol.
It was a very short segment in my mind because Willow's story was so powerful and sad. But that part of the story you mention was a very important part. And did elevate Spike's character allowing him to do more good so to speak without having him being on a leash and not able to hurt humans.
Rowan Hawthorn
Potential
Good for you. I've been trying to avoid bashing people personally, regardless of how off the deep end I may consider their viewpoint, but a lack of any real substantial discussion tends to end up with threads that turn that way eventually. Check out some of the Spike-bashing threads on the 'net if you want to see just how nasty things can turn (and, IMO, there's a character who was "unnecessarily" "shoe-horned" into Season 7 - to the point where the story of "Spikey, the Little Vampire Who Could" pretty much overshadowed the real main characters' stories.)
Bottom line, the idea that one character or the other was "unnecessarily" put into the story is ridiculous on the face of it. It's a fictional universe; the only character who's actually necessary to the story is Buffy herself, no matter which other one may be someone else's favorite. Willow's mine, and it would have made me sad to think I'd never see the character again, but the fact remains, she could have been written out half a dozen times and the 'verse would have continued, albeit in a somewhat different direction.
Edit:
I'm a guy, and I thought your post was pretty funny.
I agree. There's a tendency for both sides of any argument to get completely over-the-top. I understand it sometimes, though, because it's frustrating when there's little or nothing more substantial to a stated position than "because I feel that way, nyah!"
Blondie Bear
Zydrate Addict
To everyone who's been going "I don't understand why you must all complain about Kennedy!", let me share a little something about psychology with you. We are all trapped within our own heads. We have opinions and feelings and thoughts within our heads, and in order to keep from going nuts with them, we express them in words. As a pleasant side-effect, other people hear/read our words and react to them, causing a personal connection, especially if they agree with us. Then this little thing called "self radicalization" starts: we express our thoughts, they react favorably to our thoughts and add something we might not have thought of, and we process this new information and respond as well.
So basically what we're doing is making personal connections with people who share our opinions (and yes, this particular opinion is something silly about a character on a TV show, but some of us are passionate about it). There's nothing "stupid" about this; it's basic human psychology.
And it's what these boards are all about.
So basically what we're doing is making personal connections with people who share our opinions (and yes, this particular opinion is something silly about a character on a TV show, but some of us are passionate about it). There's nothing "stupid" about this; it's basic human psychology.
And it's what these boards are all about.
Oh my god. Fine, then all of you great and noble people who I cherish so much. Why don't you all run along and create a new Topic called We HATE Kennedy, and leave the people who don't hate her alone.
Now
white avenger said:
:cheering:
Blondie Bear
Zydrate Addict
Sigh. I give up. Some people just refuse to listen to reason.
I did like the part of the episode with Spike and also wish there had been more time dedicated to it.
I did like the part of the episode with Spike and also wish there had been more time dedicated to it.
Kemy
Annoyed Enby
I know, I wasn't disagreeing with her having eventually saved Willow but yes as you say she was the one that caused it first.
So its half saving her, half tidying up her own mess really. 😛
I thought it was a pretty good ep, myself, and Kennedy comes across okay.
The problem is the lack of any follow-up. After this, they're just "a couple", yet we never see any real reason WHY.
Too much going on in the season, and it fell through the cracks, IMHO.
The problem is the lack of any follow-up. After this, they're just "a couple", yet we never see any real reason WHY.
Too much going on in the season, and it fell through the cracks, IMHO.
Rowan Hawthorn
Potential
I don't like Willow/Kennedy relationship but I loved this episode!
And I could say it's not so much concentrated on Willow/Kennedy as on Willow herself. It's about how she feels about everything that happened.
How she's missing Tara and not letting herself admit she's dead, how bad she feels because she killed people, how(after Amy's spell) she's afraid she may really become Warren and do things he did.
For me it's just Willow episode very well acted by Alyson( she's amazing actress).
Reply to bob6666 post: Joss planned bring Willow and Xander together? Never heard about it! I'm glad he didn't. I always liked how they had that true,solid,friend love for each other. If they became a couple, it would kinda ruin things for me...
And I could say it's not so much concentrated on Willow/Kennedy as on Willow herself. It's about how she feels about everything that happened.
How she's missing Tara and not letting herself admit she's dead, how bad she feels because she killed people, how(after Amy's spell) she's afraid she may really become Warren and do things he did.
For me it's just Willow episode very well acted by Alyson( she's amazing actress).
Reply to bob6666 post: Joss planned bring Willow and Xander together? Never heard about it! I'm glad he didn't. I always liked how they had that true,solid,friend love for each other. If they became a couple, it would kinda ruin things for me...
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Spirit_Of_Fred
my thoughts exactly about this ep.
I, too did not like Kennedy at all. I found her to be way too arrogant and bratty.
But another question...maybe it's been answered before (I'm new here), but when we see Amy, was that actually Amy or was that The First? It's been bothering me for awhile. I would suspect it was the First because of the comment about Kennedy being a potential, which Amy wouldn't even know about.
But another question...maybe it's been answered before (I'm new here), but when we see Amy, was that actually Amy or was that The First? It's been bothering me for awhile. I would suspect it was the First because of the comment about Kennedy being a potential, which Amy wouldn't even know about.
Rowan Hawthorn
Potential
*Sigh...*
It was Amy. The First could only take the form of people who had died, which Amy hadn't, unless she died after "Doublemeat Palace", which was the last time we saw her previously - and also, Willow slapped her a good one at the Wicca group meeting. Not something you can do with a being who's incorporeal.