The New Doctor Who! (actor)

Frankly, the ONLY episodes worth watching are the ones featuring 9, 10, 11, and 12. Everything that came before (and after) those Doctors was brain-numbing. Sheer torture. I cannot stress that enough.
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Yep New Who was always better than Classic all right. PS I am not saying that New Who could never be good, but that statement IMO was so inaccurate it needed debunked to this extent.
 
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What's wrong with the season 3 one? I mean sure The Doctor turning into Dobby looked funny but I thought that was a pretty amazing scene.
Personally I’m not a fan of Missy.. I’m only on season 10 so maybe she will be better but for now I can’t say I enjoyed the episode she was there. Still the actress is good it’s not her the problem.
 
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Personally I’m not a fan of Missy.. I’m only on season 10 so maybe she will be better but for now I can’t say I enjoyed the episode she was there. Still the actress is good it’s not her the problem.
Sorry to have derailed this thread guys LOL as now people are just giving their opinions about DW thanks to my rants. Tell you what I'll start a separate DW thread where we can all post our opinions.

Anyway just to answer to this, I say this as the number 1 Missy hater, she gets a bit better in season 10 provided you're not a classic fan and you don't have to picture her as the Master of old. If you just think of her as a weird old friend of the Doctor she's more tolerable that year.

I actually don't mind the actress Michelle Gomez. She is quite a good laugh in other things she has been in, but with Missy not only was she miscast, but the character was so OTT she hammed it up way too much. Her accent (and I'm Scottish btw) even started to bug me at points. "Doooooonnnn't feeeel baaaaaaaad Iiiiiiiii'lllll missssss heeeeeer taaaaaaaeeeeee".

Funny thing is I wouldn't have minded a female Master. Unlike the Doctor it would have worked with her, as you wouldn't have to rewrite the past. The Master is a body snatcher already, so he could have easily just stolen a female body to survive. Other shows have changed villains genders that way and no one even noticed.

Look at Brainiac in Smallville. Technically he changed sex and it passed without comment, because it was done well, IE made sense in the story and the female Brainiac matched the male one in terms of personality. (Though sadly it's hard to talk about that now as Allison Mack turned out to be arguably a bigger monster than Brainiac. Still if we separate the art from the artist, she did an immeasurably better job playing a male villain who'd changed sex than Gomez, who seemed like a panto villain.)
 
Anyway just to answer to this, I say this as the number 1 Missy hater, she gets a bit better in season 10 provided you're not a classic fan and you don't have to picture her as the Master of old. If you just think of her as a weird old friend of the Doctor she's more tolerable that year.
I’m not an old fan. I started to watch Doctor Who only last year and i watched only the 2005 series. One year later, nowadays, I still haven’t finished the show, mainly because I lost some interest in it. Still I do want to finish it. Concerning Missy I’m afraid my reasons to dislike her are very personal and kinda shallow. I don’t like her because I don’t particularly enjoy her presence and the episode she was in are mainly boring or easily forgettable to me. This is mainly an affair of me simply not enjoying this character, it doesn’t go beyond that. You seem to do have more serious reasons and I respect that but there are not mines.

Look at Brainiac in Smallville. Technically he changed sex and it passed without comment, because it was done well, IE made sense in the story and the female Brainiac matched the male one in terms of personality. (Though sadly it's hard to talk about that now as Allison Mack turned out to be arguably a bigger monster than Brainiac. Still if we separate the art from the artist, she did an immeasurably better job playing a male villain who'd changed sex than Gomez, who seemed like a panto villain.)
Alyson was brainiac for only like what 2 episodes on Smallville in season 8 I believe.. most of the time it was Marsters.
 
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Yep New Who was always better than Classic all right. PS I am not saying that New Who could never be good, but that statement IMO was so inaccurate it needed debunked to this extent.
I find it quite interesting that you purposely chose the worst episodes to prove your point. I, on the hand, have no need to "win" a difference of opinion.

Classic Who still sucks. However, if you're that fond of the cheesiness it embraces, by all means enjoy yourself. I really care about your happiness, after all.
 
I find it quite interesting that you purposely chose the worst episodes to prove your point. I, on the hand, have no need to "win" a difference of opinion.

Classic Who still sucks. However, if you're that fond of the cheesiness it embraces, by all means enjoy yourself. I really care about your happiness, after all.

Last of the Time Lords and Journey's End are considered the worst examples of New Who? That's news to me. Journey's End got to number 1 in the viewers! That is an example of it enjoying success that the original never had. It was also chosen by RTD himself for the watchalong in lockdown. I'll give you Love and Monsters is regarded as a stinker, but it's still worse than anything from Old Who. As are the Slitheen. Classic Who may have had some dodgy effects, but the Slitheen not only have poor effects, they are a stupid idea too. (And quite prejudiced against fat people too. I've noticed quite an uncharacteristic nasty streak against fat people from RTD in his era. From the Slitheen to the Abzorbaloff to the Adipose. He seems to love making fun of fat people for some reason.)

Anyway my point was it's not fair to accuse the original of being cheesy and unwatchable by today's standards when as the clips above show, there are dozens and dozens of examples of classic who, despite being made like 40 years earlier being far more watchable, sharp and just better made than things the revival did in yes, some of its most acclaimed stories like in Journey's End.

Writing all of the original era off is just silly. Look at the clip of Davison with Davros, and compare it the clip from Journey's End. Which one is more embarrassing? Which one has better characterisation? It's just a myth based on the fact that old who is old, that it must be worse all the time no matter what.

Also you felt the need to comment so I commented back. Hardly a crime.
 
To show that I'm not close minded or just biased against New Who and its makers, I'll list a lot of the things that I like about New Who and some things I think it did better than the original.

1/ Better story arcs, in seasons 1-7 anyway. Classic Who never had much success with these. Key to Time is an okay season, but the story arc is very basic and the resolution to it was awful. Trial meanwhile was a mess, whilst others were very basic like Fenric and the Doctor being exiled that they aren't really story arcs at all. The Time War, the cult of Skaro, and the Cybus Cybermen were all not only stronger arcs, but all woven together quite well into one big narrative where everything seemed to matter, yet it all stood on its own.

2/ Daleks were generally more threating in the Davies and even early Moff eras than they were in the later years of the classic era where they were kind of pushed into the background. RTD understood that in order to be the Doctors archenemies in the revival, they had to be shown to be. In the original the writers often felt their fame would be enough and didn't have them inflict suffering on the Doctor to the same extent. In Davies era they are responsible for all the main horrible things that happen to the Doctor, from losing his companions to the time war, and they kill a Doctor for the first time.

3/ Companion exits. Whilst they have definitely been too overblown, at least they have always shown respect to the actors and never just dropped them like Dodo, or paired them off with some guy they looked at once.

4/ The 50th anniversary was very well done and admittedly a better story than the 20th, though sadly Chibnall botched the return of gallifrey.

5/ Better actors for the companions. Apart from Jodie's lot with Ryan the plank and Yaz the non entity and John Bishop who delivers every line like he is laughing. The actors for all the companions in New Who were really good. Old Who meanwhile had some great actors like Frazer Hines and Jacqueline Hill, but it also had some like Bonnie Langford "THAT'S RIGHT DOC NOW WE'RE GETTING TO IT! ugh. Give me Freema Agyeman and Billie Piper any day. (Though Noel Clarke I hear is a bit of a bastard.)

6/ The return of the Master in Utopia was handled brilliantly. Too bad it was all down hill for the villain from there.

7/ Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi are honestly two of the best actors ever to play the role. Matt might actually be the perfect choice. He is weird enough to be a good choice for guys like me who want the character to be a bit weirder, but he had an appeal to the young crowd too. Capaldi meanwhile is every inch the perfect guy for the part. Eccentric, more striking visually and known for playing mad bad and dangerous to know villains, has an older professorial quality to him. Sadly both were let down by doing undoctorish things like in Matt's case slapping his companion on the bum! Still overall two amazing choices for the role.

8/ Series 5 of New Who is overall one of the best seasons of the whole franchise.

9/ The Paternoster Gang were an interesting idea that only something like DW which can bring people from different times together could do, which again the original series never capitalized on in quite the same way.

10/ Better effects. A given, but it has to be mentioned. Also on top of that the fact that it's shot on film makes it look less cheap and play for today than the original.

So there there are things that I prefer about the revival and I can acknowledge when it does good work, but that doesn't change the fact that it is an unfaithful sequel, and that the brand DW has been taken over by a clique.

For those of us who someday would like to see something like the original but just updated in practical ways that's bad news as it means that it's now a reater uphill battle than ever before to get the original back.
 
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[I][B]Bop[/B][/I] What's wrong with the season 3 one? I mean sure The Doctor turning into Dobby looked funny but I thought that was a pretty amazing scene.

It was the idea more than the effect. The Doctor turning into a Jesus like figure flying along on the power of love and forgiving and hugging the Master after he tortured and killed billions in front of their loved ones is just too naff for me. One big difference between New Who and Old Who I will say is that the original is more cynical, and new who is very over emotional. The difference between this and say the Deadly Assassin's ending I think sums up a lot of differences between them.
 
[I][B]Bop[/B][/I] What's wrong with the season 3 one? I mean sure The Doctor turning into Dobby looked funny but I thought that was a pretty amazing scene.

It was the idea more than the effect. The Doctor turning into a Jesus like figure flying along on the power of love and forgiving and hugging the Master after he tortured and killed billions in front of their loved ones is just too naff for me. One big difference between New Who and Old Who I will say is that the original is more cynical, and new who is very over emotional. The difference between this and say the Deadly Assassin's ending I think sums up a lot of differences between them.

Well they do add in a lot of science-y stuff as well with the satellites and The Doctor tapping into some field in order for the power of love to kick in so I thought that was a nice touch because it made the kind of sense that the science on the show does but it also had that magic element of the power of thought and stories.

I don't have an issue with The Doctor forgiving The Master because I think it speaks to The Doctor as a character, he struggles with the fact that he's commited genocide and he will go on to have to make tougher choices (like when he has to set off Mount Vesuvius and kill over 10,000 people). In the 10th Doctor's first episode he shows his extreme disapproval to Harriet Jones for killing the ship of aliens that planned to kill half the human race and sell the other half into slavery.
It's not the same as The Master but I think it gives The Doctor enough history that I don't wonder why he forgave The Master.
 
Hmm didn't think I'd care what they did but they're bringing back 10 and Donna. Might have to give the new series a try, or maybe just the special.
 
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Hmm didn't think I'd care what they did but they're bringing back 10 and Donna. Might have to give the new series a try, or maybe just the special.

I always thought David would be coming back for the 60th anniversary, he was there for the 50th anniversary and always seems open to playing The Doctor again. I was quite surprised to see that Donna will be back, she's my favourite companion and David's my favourite doctor so I'm very excited.

There's so many possibilities with this new era, RTD has said he thinks Doctor Who should be going the Marvel route and considering it was him who created Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood I wouldn't be surprised if he's thinking of doing some spin offs.
 
Yes yes yes! That is amazing. David Tennant is my favourite doctor and I love Catherine Tate as Donna!
It has to be an unseen adventure, right?Because Donna can’t remember the doctor in current time because her head will explode. Or something to that effect. It’s been a while since I’ve seen the specials and Donna’s exit.
 
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It should be an unseen adventure
I remember seeing comments online when they announced the new actor that said “lol tabloids rushing to delete those ‘Ten is returning’ articles”

Would certainly seem that the shoe is on the other foot now. 😂 In any case, good. The public reception of Who has been pretty poor as of late, so I don’t blame Davies for bringing back fan favorites whatsoever. The man isn’t afraid of using every tool in his kit to turn this around 🙂
 
I remember seeing comments online when they announced the new actor that said “lol tabloids rushing to delete those ‘Ten is returning’ articles”

Would certainly seem that the shoe is on the other foot now. 😂 In any case, good. The public reception of Who has been pretty poor as of late, so I don’t blame Davies for bringing back fan favorites whatsoever. The man isn’t afraid of using every tool in his kit to turn this around 🙂
I wonder if they will do a few episodes for the spring of 2023, so the New Doctor has a chance to establish himself before the special? Isn’t the anniversary in the fall? I’m so excited for next year!!!
 
Well they do add in a lot of science-y stuff as well with the satellites and The Doctor tapping into some field in order for the power of love to kick in so I thought that was a nice touch because it made the kind of sense that the science on the show does but it also had that magic element of the power of thought and stories.

I don't have an issue with The Doctor forgiving The Master because I think it speaks to The Doctor as a character, he struggles with the fact that he's commited genocide and he will go on to have to make tougher choices (like when he has to set off Mount Vesuvius and kill over 10,000 people). In the 10th Doctor's first episode he shows his extreme disapproval to Harriet Jones for killing the ship of aliens that planned to kill half the human race and sell the other half into slavery.
It's not the same as The Master but I think it gives The Doctor enough history that I don't wonder why he forgave The Master.
It's an example of why New Who just gets it wrong. It turns the Doctor into this annoying, god like figure that everybody goes on about being brilliant all the time, when again the whole point of him was that he was something of an under dog and unlikely hero in the original series.

One reviewer summed it up well with in the original, the Doctor as a quirky professor whose sense of adventure made him an unlikely hero. In the revival he is space Jesus.

Also sorry but the idea that Martha was able to convince everyone in the world to think of this guy that they'd never met and heard of before now at this exact one moment is stupid. Not to mention the OTT elements like the Doctor flying around, arms out ready to hug his mortal enemy.

Finally having the Doctor forgive the Master IS inappropriate. First of all within the revival never mind the original it makes no sense as in The End of Time, the Doctor happily sends his people back to be slaughtered, yet he has trouble killing this one asshole time lord? Kind of reminds me of this joke from the Simpsons.

"I don't get it Bart you got all upset when you killed one bird, and now you've killed tens of thousands and it doesn't bother you at all?"

Also given what the Master has done, even in the revival, killing billions and torturing his friends for a year, for the Doctor to HUG him is extremely inappropriate. It also makes the Doctor look like a xenophobic hypocrite. He tosses the leader of the Sycrocrax off a ship and says "no second chances", but to this asshole he gives him a cuddle?

Finally the idea that if the paradox machine is broken everything will just go back to normal is such a lazy, poorly thought out deux machina too. It's sadly classic Davies, of lets build everything up to the point where there is no realistic way to get out of it, so we'll just have one character become a god and magic everything away.

This video which is actually based on a real convo between a classic era and new who fan I think sums up my and others disdain for Last of the Time Turds LOL.

 
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I just disagree, I think the doctor hugging the master and wanting to forgive him makes sense. The Master was disarmed at that point, the sycorax leader and the timelords were killed/sent back during an attack.
This might make you all think .. ..
If the Police Phone Box that is known as the T.A.R.D.I.S. was spotted flying around the earth, would it be classified as an
Identified Flying Object? Somehow IFO just don't seem to have the same inference as a UFO !
 
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