The New World Order, The Illuminati, and The Circle of the Blackthorn.

nerd4hire

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I have these little bits of trivia in my brain concerning a couple of theoretical constructs some people believe exist in the world today. They are called the Iluminati and the New World Order.

Basically the idea goes, world governments don't actually exist. Everything that happens in the world today is manipulated from behind the scenes by an organization that acts as puppetmaster to all law and politics.

I don't know a lot about it, and to be honest, I'm not interested enough in it to do research, but as I recall the two organzations are supposed to look something like this.

The Illumaniti is supposed to go back to medieval times. They have rituals and even magiks. They are neither moral nor immoral. They are made up of the best, the brightest, and the most powerful.

The New World order is similar but it proposes an organization made up of the Illuminati and others; the freemasons, remnants of the knights templar, if I remember correctly even sects of Wiccan and such. All these organizations form a pyramid with a small select circle of leaders on top.

So here's my point. Doesn't all this remind you of the Circle of the Blackthorn?

Here's my problem with all 3 constructs. How can you expect any group of immoral or amoral leaders to get along?

Take the New World Order for example. Suppose on one side of the pyramid you have the Jewish conspiracy to control the world (yes some people believe in it). Suppose on the other side of the pyramid you have the Right Wing Money- brokers conspiracy to control the world (yes there are others who believe in this also). How can you expect these two groups to get along.

According to the NWO theory there is a supreme power on the top of the pyramid that controls the subordinate groups beneath it.

This would be similar to the Circle of the Blackthorn where you have the Circle kept in check by the Senior Partners.

Would that work though? Could you expect Cyvus Vail to bow to the authority of circle-head Sebassis and so on.

Wouldn't the same entropic principles that break down the power structures we commonly think of as running our planet also apply to this proposed immoral super-structure?

So why does Angel think he can't bring this house of cards down? Why is he so convinced it's hopeless, that he considers a hopeless gesture of martyrdom to be the only alternative?

Is the idea that one structure gets torn down, then another one goes up to relace it. If that's the case why does the structure have to be in the Senior Partners' image. Why couldn't it be in Angel's or the PowersThat Be.

I read somewhere Season 6 was going to take place in a post-apocalyptic world where all society had been torn down. I kind of like that idea. Angel rebuilding the world.
 
Maybe all the members of the black thorn don't really sit around saying "Let's think of ways to f**k the world" but rather go about their own evil. But I suppose one member could attack someone that another member may like and there could be a conflict. Who knows how they run it in practice. Maybe they come up with "ideas" and suggest it to the devil person (he seemed in charge, if not whoever was).
 
I assumed Sebassis was the head of the council, because he seemed to be controlling the meeting when they met at the table.

My impression was Izzy the Devil was more Angel's connection to the circlel, but he needed the other members' approval to get Angel in.

And yeah that's kind of my point. If they're all going about their own evil schemes wouldn't there be times when one scheme would conflict with another?
 
nerd4hire said:
If they're all going about their own evil schemes wouldn't there be times when one scheme would conflict with another?
I would think so. Maybe they are going with a corporate model in which they each have a job and have to obey the Senior Partners?
 
On the surface theories such as the Illuminati and the NWO work. However when one looks deeper there are many flaws to this theory.

Here is a link to a real wacko leftist version of the Illuminati theory. Illuminati .

I certainly think that wealthy and powerful people have the power to change many things, but not to this extent. Personally I don't like the idea that my life is being "controlled" by rich and powerful people. But the Illumiati is in truth structure like any Board of Directors in a major company.

The NWO on the other hand does have a viable base in modern government. Look at the power structure in any country that does not have democracy (and some that do) and look at the seperate areas of the government competing with each other. A perfect example is the conflict between Navy, Infantry and Air Force in the US military. These are 3 equally powerful "groups" fighting for their position in the US government.

I have provided a link to a NWO site fyi. NWO

Now to psychology... Most of these theories are dreamt up by people who haven't gotten what they wanted out of life. For example, they didn't get rich like they wanted to. Largely this is due to a lack of effort, or in some cases to serious personality conflicts. I have seen it from first hand experience. I worked with a guy who had been working overnight security for 22 years. He had no wife and very little money and he would come out with these stories all of the time. I think as a way of explaining his lot in life.

In regards to the Blackthorn it seems to be structure along the same lines as the Illuminati. However I heard that it was designed to resemble the Board at the WB (no source, I can't remember where I heard it). You are definitely right about conflicts of interest, but that happens in moder "real world" governments as is. It definitely should be possible in an imaginary world.

Whew, that was a long rant. I'm too lazy to read it and see if it makes sense...lol. Hopefully you can catch my drift in amidst the rambling.
 
Sure it makes sense. What you said is true by the way, about Joss claiming to have modeled (in part anyway) the Senior partners, Circle of the Blackthorn storyline on his experiences with the WB. I read it too. I also can't remember where.

Not that this connects or anything, but don't all those Illuminati, New World Order theories claim Media is controlled by the mysterious power at the top? I know the Jewish Conspiracy one does.
 
nerd4hire said:
Not that this connects or anything, but don't all those Illuminati, New World Order theories claim Media is controlled by the mysterious power at the top? I know the Jewish Conspiracy one does.

They largely seem too. But in a manner of bitter irony they claim that their media is the only one that isn't controlled by another source. Kinda like the Michael Moore thing mentioned in the All Canadian Thread. Here's a quick link to a short piece on media control . These people try to validate their theories by claiming that they wouldn't appear in newspapers anyway because they're controlled by wealthy business men of the aristocracy that controls the world. I think that many of the people that cook up these theories have far too much time on their hands.

On a side note, when I used to work nights I found this radio show that covers all this BS. The station is MOJO radio in Toronto (AM 640) the show is called A View From Space and it's on Saturday night at 23:00. Some of the stuff they think up is actually really funny. One I like is that we are all being controlled by aliens...lol.
 
Beer_Nut said:
On a side note, when I used to work nights I found this radio show that covers all this BS. The station is MOJO radio in Toronto (AM 640) the show is called A View From Space and it's on Saturday night at 23:00. Some of the stuff they think up is actually really funny. One I like is that we are all being controlled by aliens...lol.

Gosh, you mean the X Files isn't reality TV 😉

It's kind of interesting isn't it how that Illuminati style power structure seems to find it's way into so many Sci-fi/Fantasy TV programs - X Files, Dark Angel, Angel etc. and as soon as you get the big reveal the show gets cancelled. Ooooh Scary... :: hiding:
 
Hmmm... ::mmm:: ... Maybe there is a conspiracy... 😱 ... It's a media conspiracy, to hide the conspiracy of the conspiracy ::evil:: . Sadly there are some who think the X-Files is reality tv.

In truth though it seems to me that people look for someone to blame for their life problems. In the end people want to blame things/people who are "bigger" (read more successful) than they are. Which I think is also the reason for them being the "big" enemy in television shows. The media gives us something we can relate to. Then they cancel the show ::crying:: .
 
Rambling a bit now, but what television program is that where the guy says "It's not paranoia, if they really are out to get you"?
 
I'm not sure what program. It sounds like something out of the Mel Gibson movie Conspiracy Theory, which was actually a really good movie that I enjoyed thoroughly.

That quote really rings a bell. Darn, this is gonna bug me all day ::crying:: .
 
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