The NFL and it's current issues..

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I don't know if anyone on here watches the NFL or keeps up with the current events that's currently going on. There is a few players in heat over Domestic Violence issues and another play who is in deep over child-abuse. The problems are growing worse as the League is choosing to let some of these things slide by and get easy on the punishments. After public outrage the league is facing public outcry. Fans are flying banners over the games, and there is possibilities of major sponsors dropping. It seems to be a growing snowball of issues.
 
The NFL will survive, it's far too profitable. The NFL will adjust its policies as a response to the public pressure (eventually) and that will be that. People are not going to stop watching football in this country.
 
Anthony is right, the NFL is just too profitable for these issues to seriously hurt them. The only way things would seriously change is if people stopped watching and going to games.

Whats going on is sad. Not only have numerous players done shitty things but the NFL's response has been shitty too. Their new female run social responsibility position is really not much more than PR stunt to try and make the current bad press go away. Goodell should step down as commissioner and they should bring in someone who can focus on restoring integrity to the league. It will be interesting to see what happens with Rice's appeal.

Also, I wish people would be as upset about our legal system's failures as they are the leagues. In both the child and domestic abuse cases that are currently getting attention law enforcement was informed and decided either not to step in or felt it didn't warrant jail time.
 
The real sad thing is that in a few months everyone will forget about how outraged they were.

Athletes and celebrities need to start being punished for crimes the same way anyone else would - nothing's going to change until that happens. That "god mentality" has to change or these same things are going to keep happening.
 
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Taake
Taake
The attentionspan is so fleeting these days...
This, absolutely.

Famous people get away with so much- and by that I mean actors, 'musicians' (and its never musicians with any actual talent) and atheletes do unbelievable stuff and far too many people defend them.

Hold them to account for the crap they pull, especially all the serious crimes like these recent ones.

I remember Whoobi Goldberg jumping to the defence of that athelete who was involved in abhorent dog-fighting, saying it was part of his 'culture' or some crap. 😡

Enough already. If people don't take responsibilty for their own actions, other people (like say, the justice system) should do so.
 
To some extent, yes, but NFL guys get away with things even the rich wouldn't. Because heaven forbid Ray Lewis can't start on Sunday because he's in jail... (before he retired, obviously)
 
thetopher
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Exactly. Fame seems to matter more than just money, its notoriety- it's the 'you can't touch them, they're important!'
Give me a break- they basically play hobbies very well.
i am a huge football fan (of the dallas cowboys) and have been for the past 36 years. it breaks my heart to see what is happening, and what has been happening throughout football's history. domestic violence (i sort of bristle at this phrase, as it acts as sort of a qualifier; violence is violence and needs no modifiers) has been perpetrated the entire time i have been watching football, certainly, and long before. i have long wished that a coalition of players--not league stooges--would gather to address this issue directly. teammates need to hold one another accountable. similar to the military and the reprehensible crimes committed against fellow women and queer officers, it is up to those members--who i believe are easily the majority--who know how to treat their spouses and partners to educate, mentor, and hold accountable their brothers who commit such vile acts. Additionally the nfl should use it's vast resources to provide sanctuary and safe haven for victims of violence, all victims, not just those involved with nfl players.

additionally, it is time to start educating players, not only on the fact that, you know it's wrong to hit or beat anyone, but especially people who are often dramatically smaller. ray rice knocking out his then fiance in a public space is horrifying, because it suggests that, had they been in private, at their home, wherever, he easily could have killed her. in addition to education that directly relates to spousal abuse, football players--who are asked to be and rewarded for being violent--need serious training in coping skills, mediation, and non-violent conflict resolution. i agree that stiff penalties need to be imposed, but kicking violent offenders out of the league doesn't really solve the problem, it only solves the nfl's image problem. the league has money, resources, and influence to help address the root causes of this issue. as a purveyor and promoter of violence, the nfl owes it to the society that adores it--and makes it rich--to try and mitigate this vile problem. my wife works as a domestic violence counselor. she not only counsels victims, but she also counsels perpetrators, and this is the sort of thing that makes me love her infinitely. this problem cannot be eliminated without making a commitment to those who commit acts of violence, people who more often than not were victimized by violence themselves, in addition to those who are victimized.
 
The real sad thing is that in a few months everyone will forget about how outraged they were.

Athletes and celebrities need to start being punished for crimes the same way anyone else would - nothing's going to change until that happens. That "god mentality" has to change or these same things are going to keep happening.

I totally agree. In a few months, this will be one of those things people will bring up and say "Remember when the NFL..." and people will say "Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that".

It's not going to hurt them long term, which is sad. These players and celebrities need to be held to the same standards legally as everyone else, but that will never happen in this country. 🙁
 
Bandaids. The problem is not the NFL. The problem is not that people are getting away with it. The problem is that these actions take place and are systematic of a larger issue. Punishment will not stop these actions. Only education at a much younger level will stop these actions. Punishing the adult is the equivalent of putting a bandaid on a bullet wound. These punishments do nothing to affect the sociological problems these actions were predicated on. 
That "god mentality" has to change
But the hero worship must change too. You cannot fault a person for having a god mentality when they have been treated as such in most cases since their teens.
 
But the hero worship must change too. You cannot fault a person for having a god mentality when they have been treated as such in most cases since their teens.

Actually you can.
Hubris isn't a universal fault. Power doesn't corrupt everybody. If some people start to believe the crap that get shovelled by them by their 'friends' that surround them 24/7 that's actually on them. They are to blame.

You know why? Because there are people- famous people, celebs, atheletes- who have their heads screwed on straight, who are decent human beings, who don't believe their own hype, and I'm going to give them credit for that.
Just like I'm gonna blame Micheal Vick for his actions and not blame it on his 'environment'.

Bandaids. The problem is not the NFL. The problem is not that people are getting away with it. The problem is that these actions take place and are systematic of a larger issue. Punishment will not stop these actions. Only education at a much younger level will stop these actions. Punishing the adult is the equivalent of putting a bandaid on a bullet wound. These punishments do nothing to affect the sociological problems these actions were predicated on.

So you're saying that, what, punishment serves no purpose to society?
That justice being enacted (and importantly being seen to be enacted) doesn't deter anybody from committing further future crime?
I'd...like maybe to see some statistics backing up that, quite frankly, astonishing claim because it sounds a little like wooly-headed rubbish.
 
So you're saying that, what, punishment serves no purpose to society?
That justice being enacted (and importantly being seen to be enacted) doesn't deter anybody from committing further future crime?
I'd...like maybe to see some statistics backing up that, quite frankly, astonishing claim because it sounds a little like wooly-headed rubbish.

Well honestly, I would say that high crime rates and the number of repeat offenders is a clear sign that punishment is not necessarily the best deterrent to crime. I'm not saying one shouldn't punish or that it doesn't serve a purpose, I'm just saying that in most places the actual punishment seems rather ineffectual. There are plenty of interesting studies on that (e.g. the Sentencing project) that suggest that certainty of punishment would be more efficient than severity, though even this is flawed.

As for the NFL I agree with what many have said - that celebrities/people with money - should be held to the same standards as anyone else and duly punished for their offences (again we shouldn't not punish, I just think that the system could stand for some reforms that might help to e.g. prevent recidivism). The individual players should in other words be held accountable. I think the NFL need to react to the public outcry but I don't think it will significantly 'harm' them in anyway. People will still want to watch football...
 
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I totally agree. In a few months, this will be one of those things people will bring up and say "Remember when the NFL..." and people will say "Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that".

It's not going to hurt them long term, which is sad. 🙁

All you have to do is look at the NCAA overturning the Penn State sanctions. What complete and utter bs that is.
 
brinkster130
brinkster130
Ugh, NCAA is the worst.
I'm a Jets fan, and I won't stop watching football, but the crap the league has pulled lately has been disgusting.

First, them originally suspending Rice for two games...insane. Should have been a lot more, glad he's been cut since.

There have been several other issues before this, but I'm glad it's all coming to light now. Domestic violence on anyone is no joke.
 
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