The pursuit of happiness...

killerdwarf

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I've been thinking about this situation for a week or so, and I decided I'd like to get some input from all of you. First, the incident that broached the subject:

My oldest dwarflet just got back from spending two weeks with his Auntie and Uncle out in Alberta (a 4hr flight from here, for all you non-Canuckleheads). My sister-in-law (Mrs. D's sister) is a teacher, and has summers off. This visit was planned well over 6 months before, and my beloved twister-in-law was happy to be the host at that time. As the date drew nearer, her husband started a new business (he already has a full-time job), they moved to a new house, etc, etc, etc. She became less enthusiastic about his visit, but didn't cancel. She also said she would still take him to the places he had said he would like to see, for example, the Calgary Stampede, which was on while he was there, the Columbia Ice fields, the dinosaur research center at Drumheller, and a visit to Banff National Park. Well, he got there, and it seemed they all would be "too busy" to do the things they said they would do. Eventually, they did get to most of the places, but the Stampede was missed. I would have been kinda pissed if I had paid for the ticket, but my dwarflet, bless him, had saved up his own money and paid for it himself! Thus, I was even more torqued about the attitude, 'cause he worked hard to save that much!

This incident got me thinking about money, and life. My twister-in-law and her husband are good people, despite the recent behaviour. But with the business stuff, and all the other things they seem to do, they are increasingly obsessed with making a LOT of money ( millions), like they don't have enough now...and this is not isolated behaviour. I know at least 3 other couples who are madly running about, investing in this scheme and that initiative, with the intent of making a killing and getting millions. Both partners work 60 to 80 hrs a week, and keep on doing it even as their families and lives fall apart, still looking for the big score. This may sound a bit hypocritical coming from a guy who does a fair amount of work on the side himself (I do some electrical work for a local company, but in my defence, only in the summer, and not on a constant basis...about one weekend in 4), but I wonder...how much is enough ? The Chinese saying is "No money, no life", but how much life should you give up to get money? I'm pretty sure that if my in-laws won the lottery, they'd still run around like they are...it's the old "Ok, I caught the tiger by the tail, now what am I gonna do with it" scenario. I gotta believe that this has affected my niece and nephew too. Just the amount of time ("quantity" time, if you will) that they missed out on is significant, and I think it must have some effect, probably not a good one. I guess I would like to hear your opinions on how much is enough, and what the cost of the pursuit of happiness really is. Sure, we'd all like to make millions, but at what cost to the family, friendships, etc? Where is the balance between chasing a better life, and actually having a life to live once you catch it?
 
Interesting post KD. It's that old work-life balance thing that our employers probably all pay lip-service to but try to ignore where possible 😉

I think that family or social life is much more precious than the pursuit of money (which seems to become an end in itself for some, rather than the means to improve your life). My attitude, as I'm sure you know by now, is that I treat work as a means to be able to do what I want to do outside of it. I know people in our office who will grab every opportunity to do extra hours for overtime pay or take on any bizarre shift pattern (sympathy to you on that score KD🙂) just to earn the extra allowances that come from doing it. I don't get it...

I resent every minute I spend at work these days but I realise I have to do it to be able to travel as much as we do, to not worry about having a roof over our heads or putting food on the table and all that other stuff us more mature working stiffs take for granted when we reach that "comfortably-off" stage - you know, not rich but not exactly poor anymore...
 
Jenny
Jenny
You are absolutely dead-right with this statement: "I treat work as a means to be able to do what I want to do outside of it." If more people had that attitude, I believe the world would be a happier place.
I agree with Mr. P. Personally all I require is the money to give my family the things that they need and sometimes what they want. I want to have a house in a nice area, a car and the ability to raise my kids in peace. That's it. I don't really care about money all that much (if I did I wouldn't be going into policing... lol). But really it comes down to personality type. When I was working for a manufacturing company, working 12 hour night shifts, there were some people (with families I might add) that were working all of the overtime they could get, while others didn't work any at all. To each their own, I say, as long as it doesn't hurt me or my family.
 
You both seem to have found the balance point that works for you, and that's a good thing! I too know family guys (all the tradesmen here are male, so I use "guys" in a literal term...) who work 56 hrs a week (8hrsX7days) and want more if they can get it. I don't understand that either, although I do work the occasional Saturday to pick up some pocket change. I'm in the somewhat unique situation, where I actually like my job most of the time, mostly because I'm new in the position as electrician. Part of my trade off for the job was having to work the midnight shifts, but all things considered, that's worth it. If I was still on the line putting cars together my attitude might be a lot different about my job, but I still would be working not much more than my regular weekly shift, as I am now. I think money is good, and you need a certain amount to maintain your lifestyle. Fortunately for all us dwarves, Mrs. D is wise enough to keep us from expanding our lifestyle to match our income. Thus, we have a bit extra to go on trips, etc, much like the Pointys do! While I like my job, I like my family better (most of the time), and I'd rather be pissed off at home than happy at work!
 
Wow, well said KD...AND Mr.P and Beer_Nut for that matter.

My husband is OBSESSED with making money. He's always checking out those get rich quick schemes and trying to work every second of overtime he can fit on his timecard. It's annoying because he'll be at home on his day of and there's like a 70 - 80% chance he's going to get called in. He's a really great worker and that I'd admire in him. But I do worry that he doesn't realize how precious this time is with his babies. I know that I want to have enough money in the bank to put my kids through college and give them a good start. It also wouldn't hurt when they're old enough to have the cash to travel and show them the world they need that education to conquer. But I miss him when he's gone and I know my daughter wants more time with him. Even our one year old is in awe by the site of him...lol...I just wish he'd put things into perspective sometimes. His family is very into money and what it can get you...don't get me wrong, they're good people, but I see the way his father and him are and I know they had a terrible relationship when he was young...I just look at them and I fear that I'm seeing OUR future. Hopefully things will change once the kids start school and I can switch my profession to that of a real bread winner again. In my expierience it's better to be raised poor and happy than rich and distant. No amount of money in the world can buy back lost time.
 
Can I just add a classic quote I believe to be true at this point - "The love of money is the root of all evil"...I don't think it needs any explanation...
 
Rayne said:
No amount of money in the world can buy back lost time.

You are so right on with that one. I'm sure you already have, but do you think saying this to your hubby would have an effect? You are very eloquent here, but if you're even a bit like me, in person the tongue gets a bit tied, and it never comes out the way it does in print...

Mr. P: Isn't it "The lack of money is the root of all evil?", or is that just my own stupid twist of a time-tested truth? Oh. Well, then, just ignore that last bit then...😉
 
Yes KD, I can get very tongue tied as well, with me it's usually 50-50 in person AND in writing...lol...I have my moments. Yeah, I think that if things don't change in any noticable way that I will have a very serious talk with him. But It's hard for me to have that conversation until we are BOTH bringing in the cash. I really try to understand where he's coming from as well. But I am better at discussing feelings than he is. In fact he's quite the opposite...lol. But with any luck he'll find his way to this conclusion on his own. Those epiphanies made on your own are much more meaningful than ones forced on you. But, if need be are epiphanies nonetheless.
 
What's the point in having all that money if you don't have time to spend it? That's my question. I know a couple who have been together for 11 yrs (married for 4). They are obsessed with making money and they have a lot of it. The only reason for this is they don't have children. Now the lady in this relationship wears the trousers. Know what I mean? He wants to have children desperately as he's in his early 30s and she's coming up for 30. But she's so obsessed with having so much money that she won't let him anywhere near her! Now that's ok if she was never planning on having children, but they've been talking about it for years. I just feel sorry for him because he would be a brilliant Dad (and she would be a wonderful mother) and it's not like they would turn into peasants in the event of having a child. So they've settled for babysitting their friends' children.

I don't see the point in being filthy rich when one or both of you aren't happy. I want to have a financially stable life so I can bring up my children with everything they need. Otherwise they just become spoiled.
 
Mr. Pointy said:
Can I just add a classic quote I believe to be true at this point - "The love of money is the root of all evil"...I don't think it needs any explanation...

Also - money can't buy you happiness. Such simple statements, but both sooo true.

They say one of the biggest arguments between couples is over money. And I don't just think it's the lack of it. I think when one partner is obsessed with earning more and more money, well that puts a huge strain on a relationship. While the intentions may be from a good place, the other partner can't help but feel that they are being put to the wayside over money - money is more important than me.

In my own personal life - I am the primary breadwinner in my family. At one point just a year ago, I was earning double what my SO was. I'm really lucky he doesn't feel some great need to be the primary financier of the family (you know...it could turn into some sick pissing contest if you get my drift!) 😀

I don't work any overtime, and he actually left his job in May because while he got paid for alot of overtime....he was on call 24/7. And I'm not exaggerating. It was getting to the point where not one night would go by without a 3 am call that he had to get up and leave for...and forget having dinner and a decent conversation.

He decided he wanted to put his family life first, and quit the job for a 9-5 with no overtime. For him...it was quality of life (for the both of us) over the amount of money he could make.

KD - also...what a shame about your son...I'm heartbroken for him. I hope he wasn't too disappointed? IMO there was no excuse not to find the time to take him to the Stampede.
 
For a long time all I wanted was to be happy, I didn't like anything I was doing, I was studying full time and working part time just to support my way through. I could have asked my parents for money and not worked but thats not me, I was living on my own so I would support myself. You would think that this would make me more financially minded...nope. I work a lot and I work hard, not because I need to, but because I want to. At the moment I have no responsibilities, i'm single with no children so I just take care of myself and pay my folks rent money until I finish college.

I used to believe that the more money I had, the more happier I would be. But i've come to realise that it doesn't matter how much money I have, it wont solve the non money related problems, so i'd still be where I was on that front. And the more you have the more you spend, although I can't justify $500 for a pair of sunglasses - I don't care who made them.

Last year I would sit at my desk between anytime from 6am in the morning until 9pm at night, my normal shift was from 9-5 but I was working in credit card fraud at the time and enjoyed the work and there was a lot to do. So I would do the overtime working away the only one in the office because I enjoyed it and the extra money came in handy.

I'm sorry to hear about your son, a new business is no excuse not to carry out a trip that a child/teenager has been looking forward to and paid for with this own money. My little cousin comes up here around 2/3 times a year and i've seen me taking him to the cinema or skateboarding when my back is killing me and I have a migrane and just want to sleep. But I do it because its his trip and I know he likes spending time with me.
 
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Awww... Faiths a sweetie :)
Jenny, elmo and Faith:

Thanks for the input, and for the sympathy for my dwarflet. He still says he had a good time, but I think he just doesn't want to get us going by saying he's disappointed about the Stampede.

Faith, I get your desire to be independent, and loving your job. Mine is a great one, and I'm happy to do it, and to use my training whenever possible. As a single person, you have a bit more latitude to work long hours, and have it affect fewer people in a negative way. That's good, but once someone has other "dependents", I think they gotta take the dependents and their needs as being as important as any desire to work. You've definitely got the right idea with your cousin, and I bet you don't realize how important that is to him, even if it seems like a little thing to you!

Jenny, you've got a great guy there, as I've said before. That you and he have that comfortable a relationship that he can quit his job for another with less pay is not a surprise to me. As Bruce (Springsteen) says, "From small things, mama, big things one day come," and I know that he'll work himself into a job that will give him back the money he lost and then some (but without the time crap)...he's that kinda guy.

elmo, from your last statement, you'll be a fabulous parent when you decide to become one, but I always knew you would be! As a matter of fact, all three of you will be the type of parent we all need. Just don't spoil 'em too much, ok?😉

I don't think the kind of people elmo and the rest of us are talking about would even slow down a bit if they hit it big. As a good bad example, I put up Donald Trump...do you really think he stops to smell the roses? Doubt it. I never got why you would work so hard to be a success, then not take time to enjoy the benefits. "From small things..."

Oh, yeah, Rayne, I forgot...Epiphanies...right on! You said it all. We even had a thread on it...right elmo? And it was bloody awesome, it was!
 
I've always been big on pursuing happiness, not money, much to the chagrin of my parents (I swear, I think they believe I'll be some bohemian bum on the beach somewhere...). I've wanted to write for some time now, and I've come to terms that I may not be quite as succesful (as far as money goes) in my venture as some would want to be. But, I can't think of any job that I would be happy *and* rich at. Plus, I don't understand these people who spend all their time working to make money...then they never take the time to actually spend it. I don't want that kind of lifestyle, where my work dictates my life. It should be the other way around. I can admit, that I like materialistic things. Books, for example. And I'm a CD whore. But, I don't think I would do something I didn't have my heart in just to make money to buy stuff. Even my dad is working away from home all the time. I don't think he's been home for a full week since...March. Of course you have bills to pay, things to take care of. But at what expense? Money just isn't as viable reason for me as it is for some people.
 
xtrustno1x said:
I don't understand these people who spend all their time working to make money...then they never take the time to actually spend it.

I'm with ya there. It's like all they know how to do is chase "it", and they don't know what to do when they actually catch "it". Hell, they may not even know what "it" is! But it sure isn't a life...

xtrustno1x said:
I can admit, that I like materialistic things. Books, for example. And I'm a CD whore.

Yeah, but I'll bet you appreciate what you've got a lot more than all those people working hard at making all that money...you had to work hard for that CD, so it actually means something to you. And you weren't just working to make money...you had a goal...your CD. We all need to achieve our goals sometimes...

Sounds to me like you'll do ok...it's good to have the type of perspective you do (IMO) early on...saves heartache later!
 
killerdwarf said:
elmo, from your last statement, you'll be a fabulous parent when you decide to become one, but I always knew you would be! As a matter of fact, all three of you will be the type of parent we all need. Just don't spoil 'em too much, ok?😉

I don't think the kind of people elmo and the rest of us are talking about would even slow down a bit if they hit it big. As a good bad example, I put up Donald Trump...do you really think he stops to smell the roses? Doubt it. I never got why you would work so hard to be a success, then not take time to enjoy the benefits. "From small things..."

Oh, yeah, Rayne, I forgot...Epiphanies...right on! You said it all. We even had a thread on it...right elmo? And it was bloody awesome, it was!

Thanks dwarfy! And I'll try not to spoil them too much. The only thing I want to give my children is what I didn't have... love. No material things can really amount to that.

Oh, and epiphanies are good. I'm still on the road to persuing my most recent epiphany. 😉
 
This thread has got me to thinking...

Did you ever find yourself looking at some stupid thing some rich person did, and think to yourself "how could someone so rich be so stupid"? After reading this thread though it kind of makes sense, because the basic concept of the pursuit of wealth at the expense of all else is stupid, so why would it be a big shock that someone whose whole live is sold over to a stupid concept would do stupid things?
 
Well, it's no shock to me. But you have a point... I look at rich peoples' lives all the time and wonder what they were thinking when they did such and such a thing. But, then again, they probably think the same things about us middle class folk. 😉
 
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