The Sokovia Accord And Beyond

[white avenger]

No real spoilers here in the fact that, in "Captain America: Civil War," the Sokovia Accords put all superhero actions under the direct control of the United Nations. That was in the trailers, so, even if you haven't seen the movie, you know about that. The question is, as the song goes, "Where do we go from here?" (Just visualize Team Cap and Team Iron Man holding hands at the end of the movie, singing. The Vision leaves, Wanda overtakes him in the alley...)

Anyhow, we have this ruling, and, cleverly, there's nothing to be said or done about it in the movies until next July, in "Spiderman: Homecoming." Or is there? How is this supposed to affect Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and the agents of S H I E L D in the meantime? Is Daredevil now a criminal every time he sings out into the night?

I don't have access to either of the Netflix shows at the moment, but I'm probably going to catch up on "Agents Of S H I E L D" in the next few weeks.

 

[Washburne]

It's not just superhero actions but registering all "powered" people. So in the case of Agents of S.HI.E.L.D. they brought it up before the season ended. They got a lot of powered people on their show after all. As for how it'll affect the shows it's up to the show makers I guess since, as it's been brought up in another thread, the movie makers don't really care about the tv shows.

 

[Priceless]

It wouldn't suprise me if the Sokovia Accords weren't even mentioned in any of the Netflix shows. They are so different from AoS and the films that they seem to be happening in a different universe

 

[Athena]

Daredevil is already a vigilante, he's always worked off his own back and will continue to do so, and because he primarily works alone, he answers to no one. Jessica Jones used to be a famous superhero before she 'retired', so effectively she could just continue to use the guise of retirement.

To be honest, I don't think Matt or Jessica would particularly care about the accords anyway, but for continuity, I would expect someone to mention them, but I doubt it'd stop them defending New York. They're pretty much under the radar as far as the UN is concerned. Plus let's not forget, we get to see Luke Cage & Iron Fist soon too. If the Accords directly affected this part of the universe, we wouldn't be meeting them at all.

I mean, what are the UN going to do? Send out a team of hero sniffer dogs to find all the vigilantes?

 

[white avenger]

I mean, what are the UN going to do? Send out a team of hero sniffer dogs to find all the vigilantes?

With something probably initiated by ex-General "Thunderbolt" Ross, the man obsessed with destroying the Hulk, backed and no doubt funded by the U N, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if something like that, only much more sophisticated, something not quite as awesome as the X Men's Guardian robots, actually were the case. This is a man with a mission. Fanatics can be expected to go to extremes to achieve their goals.

Besides which, if the Accords truly are a metaphor for gun control, as many have speculated, first comes registration, followed by confiscation. Applied to the Accords, once all of the "enhanced" people are registered, mandatory retirement will quickly follow. Retirement as in permanent residence in that nice submersible retirement home where Hawkeye, Falcon, and the others were residing before Cap broke them out. (You don't really think a facility like that would be built just to hold a half dozen or so people, do you?)

Is there a Marvel superhero equivalent of the NRA?

 

[Athena]

They tried that with The Incredibles though. All the heroes were 'retired' after the government stepped in for damage control after lawsuits. Mr Incredible tried to be normal and raise a family as Bob Parr with his wife Helen (aka Elastigirl), but he yearned for the good old times. Once you're used to one sort of life; fighting crime, getting the bad guy, saving people.... it's hard to just forget that life. I would imagine that there will be plenty of people with abilities under the radar of the Accords.

Plus, do you really want to piss off a group of people with enhanced abilities? No, you want them on your side. Ross knows this, that's why Cap and his vigilante team are such a frightening prospect to him, but I expect once Thanos shows up, the Accords will be flung out with the rubbish. You want everyone on board to deal with the big guy. And you want the other big guy there too.

It's a shame really that Marvel don't own the rights to the Sentinels. Maybe they could make a deal with Fox a la the deal they made with Sony for Spiderman? Avengers vs X-Men is something high on my list of 'must-see-before-I-die'.

 

[Washburne]

You may not want to piss off people with enhanced abilities but that won't stop them. Besides, they got their own people with enhanced abilities to go after them. Clearly they can't involve the same amount of people in a movie, or tv-show, as in the comics but you'll still end up with people on both sides and the ones registered will do as they're told. That's more or less the whole purpose of the Accords. People not wanting to register doesn't want to fight, just be left alone.

As for comparison between the Accords and gun control I get where people are coming from but don't take it too far. There's just a tiny bit of difference between a living being, human in this case, and an object with a particular purpose don't you think? Something that you are versus something you chose to get or not. No, don't answer that. It won't go anywhere.

 

[Athena]

Ultimately, once Thanos and his goons arrive, everyone will have the same goal: Stop Thanos. Whether you're in with the accords or against the accords, everyone will have to come together (reluctantly or not) to fight him. And whilst we've not seen much of him as yet, I think once we get to the Infinity War, it'll be immense. You can't have an 'Infinity War' without the prospect of a massive fight and lots of death. I guess who dies depends on who's contract expires.

So whilst the Sokovia Accords mean something in the current timeline, I don't think they will in the near future. I think they'll realise there's more to worry about than a small group of vigilante superheroes.

 

[Fuffy Baith]

I'm going to guess the Netflix shows won't fall with the Accords. Who is enforcing the Accords? Is there someone taking all the powered people and going to them to ask to sign the Accords and if they don't they get lock up? What if someone just says they are retired, but who's to stop them if they choose to use their abilities? That's why I'm team Cap. I don't know about Agents of Shield. I'm guessing they have their own ways of dealing with enhanced people. It will probably be adressed in the first Infinity War movie.

 

[white avenger]

It's a shame really that Marvel don't own the rights to the Sentinels. Maybe they could make a deal with Fox a la the deal they made with Sony for Spiderman? Avengers vs X-Men is something high on my list of 'must-see-before-I-die'.

It's my understanding that, at this point, Sony is having financial problems, and the previous Spiderman movie was kind of a bust. As a result, they were more than happy to cut a deal with Disney in hopes of boosting their own profits.

Warner, however, has been very successful with their X Men franchise, and they aren't as anxious to share their piece of the superhero pie. That could change at any time, of course, and Superhero movies are the latest fad. Who's to say, someone might convince both Warner and Disney that a co-production, combining both teams, either as allies or adversaries, might net them the collective blockbuster of the century. That's assuming, of course, that someone could figure a way to put that many characters on the screen and do justice to them all without having to make a 6 hour movie.
 
Mr. Pole: Fox owns X-Men. Warner is DC.

Yeah, I was thinking of both an X Men/Avengers crossover and an Avengers/Justice League crossover, like they had in the comics several years ago, and my studios kinda ran together.

 

[Fenrir]

As for comparison between the Accords and gun control I get where people are coming from but don't take it too far. There's just a tiny bit of difference between a living being, human in this case, and an object with a particular purpose don't you think? Something that you are versus something you chose to get or not. No, don't answer that. It won't go anywhere.

Difference is the superpowered hero still chooses to use that power. They don't have to. Except for Banner but he really is a threat and as bad and unfair that is he's like a potential WMD that can go off because someone pushes him.

 

[white avenger]

I love the way that Ross explained the Accords to the Avengers. Basically, they can voluntarily comply, in which case they have literally no say in where they go and what they do, or they can "retire." Polite way of saying, "Our way or the highway."

This is former General "Thunderbolt" Ross, the man who was obsessed with tracking down and containing the Hulk, and I think that it is significant that he specifically asks twice whee the Hulk is presently, though, obviously, the rest of the Avengers have no idea. Almost certainly, Ross has his own private agenda here, above and beyond Sokovia.

As for Thor, he is, technically, part of the Royal Family in Asgard, which would put him in the same situation as T'Chaka, the King of Wakanda, and the Black Panther. He would have diplomatic immunity, so, by international treaty, he cannot be held answerable for his actions.