The Thin Dead Line and its connection to the Rodney King incident?

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While watching this episode a few days ago it did strike a natural chord with me about some of the racial issues in America when it comes to the police force, not least because of the events of the last week. Then listening to the latest episode of dusted today and their review of the episode, they draw the link the King incident, and have a very good discussion and in depth discussion about it. I agree with a lot of what they say, and do think that the episode dropped the ball a little on such a big issue. But also given the nature of Angel as a show and the fact the episode was in 2001 then I also like the ambition of it and think that maybe some of plot flaws are excusible.

What do you think of the episode and how it handles this issue?

What other episodes of Angel or Buffy do you think touch on tragic real life events?

And how well or bad were the events handled?

Earshot maybe slightly different as that was bad timing, and I think the show handled that very well myself.🙂

Here's the episode of dusted in question Dusted 120: Sexy Leather Cardigan
 
Having been a runaway who was exposed to some bad and brutal cops, I wasn't impressed with it at all in that sense (nor with how runaways were portrayed, and the services for them).

I also don't think it really applies to King (though maybe it was intended to) because King actually ran and was someone known to the cops IIRC, unlike many victims in Thin Dead Line, and the cops beating King, at least as I recall the vid, were more like the cops that beat up Faith in Buffy season 7 rather than zombies. Also, to get on the subject of police brutality, there was the trial aspect of King, or the blue wall of silence which is of far greater concern that wasn't touched upon in the episode (unless you count the later ep where Kate's involvement was mentioned as part of why she was being fired, but that was just an extension of all of Kate's seeming kookiness). Nor was racial profiling since the zombies apparently couldn't tell or care. It also pretty much said that police brutality made for less crime, and I don't believe it's so for reasons I don't want to get into it, but suffice to say there's more favors exchanged between cops and criminals than many assume, especially in high crime areas, that actually facilitate crime in some ways. All in all, it just doesn't work for me as some statement on the real world.

Don't get me wrong, I like the episode, but I don't really find it that relevant to the real world, even if it was meant to be. I just see it as "what LA would be like if magic and demons were real," and it's about as real as Gotham to me, or even better, like the real cities in the Potter universe that are different because of all the wizards and magical creatures (IOW, that may be London, but it's not the same London as our world, and thus a different city with the same name).
 
Having been a runaway who was exposed to some bad and brutal cops, I wasn't impressed with it at all in that sense (nor with how runaways were portrayed, and the services for them).

I also don't think it really applies to King (though maybe it was intended to) because King actually ran and was someone known to the cops IIRC, unlike many victims in Thin Dead Line, and the cops beating King, at least as I recall the vid, were more like the cops that beat up Faith in Buffy season 7 rather than zombies. Also, to get on the subject of police brutality, there was the trial aspect of King, or the blue wall of silence which is of far greater concern that wasn't touched upon in the episode (unless you count the later ep where Kate's involvement was mentioned as part of why she was being fired, but that was just an extension of all of Kate's seeming kookiness). Nor was racial profiling since the zombies apparently couldn't tell or care. It also pretty much said that police brutality made for less crime, and I don't believe it's so for reasons I don't want to get into it, but suffice to say there's more favors exchanged between cops and criminals than many assume, especially in high crime areas, that actually facilitate crime in some ways. All in all, it just doesn't work for me as some statement on the real world.

Don't get me wrong, I like the episode, but I don't really find it that relevant to the real world, even if it was meant to be. I just see it as "what LA would be like if magic and demons were real," and it's about as real as Gotham to me, or even better, like the real cities in the Potter universe that are different because of all the wizards and magical creatures (IOW, that may be London, but it's not the same London as our world, and thus a different city with the same name).

If you are referring to the racial stereotypes in the episode then I agree with you. They even did it with Gunn for awhile. What do you mean by services for them?

That wouldn't surprise me for many reasons.

But thats just because its a show where supernatual is the norm. So they have to make that a big part of the fabric of the show and the metaphor of the city, just like Sunny California was in Buffy. In this episode they are trying to mix a b-movie plot with a realistic theme I think. Its just that I don't think they get the balance right. An example of where they did get it right was Hero IMO. All of that doesn't mean that the show doesn't have aspects of what the city is really like. But the nature of television and this kind of show means you have to resort to certain stereotypes to the story. This episode misses the mark though.
 
By services, I mean for runaways, and by that I mean minors (an 18-year-old is an adult so has full access to charity and government aid, even if s/he technically ran away from home and stopped going to school).

To be fairly brief, Texas criminalizes runaways, and allows no services without contacting parent, guardian, and/or police (especially shelter, though Covenant House did get away with passing out sack lunches, but they, whether required to or not, would report any of our squats, that is abandoned buildings we stayed in, if they learned of them), and those who did help us as Anne helped kids in Angel (including the few shelters for adults that didn't check for the fake age and SSN left on the write in form) could have their services shut down and possible jail time for contributing to the delinquency of minors (and they were usually overburdened with people they could LEGALLY help anyway).

As a kid, I was mistaken in that this was the case all over the United States, only to find out as an adult that state laws about runaways vary widely (though as many of the runaways I mixed with were hardcore and with warrants, it could be they couldn't use services even when available, and criminals that used or exploited us had their own reasons to alienate us from anyone who might help us). Even so, there are typically strict limits. California, being one of the more liberal states (and an already overburdened system), allow up to 2 weeks if those running a shelter deem it appropriate. Nevertheless, I believe California is one of the hardest states to get a permit, burdensome requirements, and the costs are...well, let's just say out of the reach of someone like Anne (though I cut the show some slack here by saying W&H actually set her up over the East Hills Teen Center for tax purposes, creating slush funds, and even more devious and vile reasons, and they considered her easily manipulated as well as expendable, perhaps even as a place to hunt down psychic kids who had run away from home).

There are also other more practical concerns that I'd want to ask Anne about in regards to the East Hills Teen Center, but that's another topic (and I could see many of those concerns being handled with a little luck and creativity).

Also, the Californian food bank I used to volunteer at would automatically call the cops on any minors seeking food, and it was explained to me that they feared being shut down if they didn't, though I'm not sure what the actual state laws and regulations were, and they may have been mistaken. (And the cops were generally hostile to the kids reported on, but it seemed as if the cops didn't like us or anyone we helped.)

Of course government services rejected us out of hand (so no food stamps/EBT, for example), and going to the ER was a virtual guarantee of having the cops called (though many were apathetic enough that they didn't care, and I suspect the few times they didn't show up was simply because they didn't bother to). I think that's true all over the USA. But then there are a lot of limitations on such services anyway (and the ER wants to get paid) that most aren't aware of, but that's another topic. Point is runaways don't have access to such things that adults (at least not those wanted by the law) generally take for granted.

When I was a runaway, I think I'd have been too scared to go to the East Hills Teen Center, fearing it was a trap (and some such places in real life are). By trap I mean they get as much info from you as they can, trap you, and call the authorities. And let me add that CPS (Child Protective Services) and those like them are generally a sick joke, and there are a lot of flaws in the foster care system. Unless they think drugs or some temporary hot button political issue is involved (I suspect race also matters) then CPS isn't likely to be of any help even if severe abuse is undeniably going on, ridiculous stories of them sweeping in because a kid got swatted on the bottom notwithstanding.

And even ignoring the rule of cool and other tropes, the writers of Buffy and Angel strike me as pretty sheltered people, which makes sense of course. And it's not a complaint (I think it's nice that people who have never experienced such things attempt to empathize with those who do), but sometimes it's just too much to ignore, like Wesley in War Zone saying street kids had to have power in their squat (generators and electrical juryrigging do exist among the homeless, but as a general rule using power in an abandoned building drew unwanted attention), or implying that most rapes happen in dark alleys in the bad part of town as I think Thin Dead Line did, but I think I've already gone on long enough.
 
CORRECTION: "(at least not those wanted by the law)" should be "(at least those not wanted by the law)." Another "fun" experience of being criminalized as runaways was that we were pretty much forced to share squats with wanted felons who also could get aid and typically avoided other charity as they feared getting arrested. (That, and those too mentally ill to do so.)
 
IDK what's wrong with me right now, I can't seem to type anything right. Wanted felons could NOT get aid and avoided charity. I'm getting offline now until I can start typing what I mean again, sheesh. 😕
 
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