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If there is already a thread about this, my apologies. I searched but could not find one. Not a specific one anyway.

People seem to really dislike The Trio and I was wondering why. I mean, as villains they are pretty pathetic. All they do is come up with ever inventive, but ultimately unavailing, ways to annoy Buffy with high tech gadgets. The most pathetic thing of all is when Warren resorts to using a gun on Buffy. That doesn't make you a villain, it just makes you a homicidal loser. Although futile, at least the other attempts at killing her were creative. And the other two didn't do much except argue about Star Wars while desperately seeking Warren's approval and acceptance. I think I may have answered my own question....

Although, as individuals they might be more interesting. Andrew was just adorable, especially in "Storyteller". Something about him just makes me wanna pinch his cheeks and give him a rattle and tuck him into bed like a little baby. It would be interesting to find out what happened in Warren's life to make him such a deranged sociopath. He's clearly very intelligent, but all kinds of crazy and you never really find out why. I'm not interested in Jonathan cause he was just an insecure follower. After his failed attempted suicide and failed spell over the whole town to make everyone think he's cool, he just clung to the first crowd that would accept him, even though their agenda was against his morals. I never liked him up until right before he died.

I actually hadn't given it much thought other than "nerds are cool" and I think I've had an epiphany while writing this and now understand why people don't like them, but I'm still curious what others think. If you don't like them, is it cause they're crappy villains or crappy people? And if you do like them, why?
 
i thought they were brilliant, and so funny, especially when they argue over star wars and stupid things etc., ;D

Jonathan " Stop touching my magic bone!."

i thought Jonathan was creepy and Warren was kind of a weirdo, but i lovelove Andrew, especially in Story teller.

i thought the Trio was there to liven things up, make the show more fun and a bit different. Then obviously they go from Nerds to killers,
 
Andrew managed to nerd his way into being one of my very favourite Buffy characters.

Warren was....Warren. I think most people hate him for the obvious bullety reasons, but even before that. He was kind of a twat...

Jonathon, poor guy.
 
I was never a huge fan of the trio when I first saw them brought into the series (thought that they were pretty lame villians, in all honesty). But watching the episodes over again, I think that they were perfect to have as the ongoing "big bad" for that season. Really season 6 was about the personal struggles of the main characters, so any regular villian I think would have really taken away from that storyline.

Jonathan I liked because I think out of the three of them, he would have been the one to end up as a good guy. Especially after what we saw in Grave, I think as far as morals go he had the most level head. And I liked that once and while he got to stand up and take charge of a situation, even if he was a little guy.

Andrew was a little irratating for me at first, but once we hit episodes like Storyteller (Season 7) his character started to grow on me. Warren I think had to be a little darker than the other two characters for the trio to work as villians, and I like that he is just a flawed human being poking around in forces that are a little over his head (rather than us finding out he's some evil demon at the end of the series).

So in answer to your question: looking back I can see why the Trio was brought in, and I can enjoy watching them now. But (I'm not sure why), I could never get interested in the characters when I first watched season 6 through. Then again, I think that they took a lot of heat from the fans because of
Tara's death at the end of the season
, so maybe that's part of why they're generally disliked?
 
More often than not I enjoy The Trio. They're ridiculous, but I can relate to their lameness (although not to their murderousness or villainy). I kind of liked Warren before he turned into a complete maniac, then I hated it very quickly. Still like Johnathan and Andrew though. Seeing him as regular in season 7 was a treat.

When they did their "tests" on Buffy was probably my favorite of their dirty deeds. Buffy's annoyance at having to repeat the same thing over was really well done--I thought it was pretty funny, anyways.

Plus, weren't they just hilarious? I love when Spike threatened to break their Boba Fett... too funny.

I just wonder how people like those 3 got to know all about the demony Sunnydale things but no one else. Does the inner geek have something to do with it?
 
Yes it has a lot to do with inner geek. The same could be said of Willow I think there's always been an underlying issue/point that people are aware of the demons ( especially in Sunnydale)
but the majority refuse to accept, whereas the geeky type like to investigate and experiment
In Ginger bread Joyce was saying how silence has been the towns weakness as they all know something isn't right. Buffy had the entire student body fighting the Mayor. Dracula said that Buffy is is known throughout the world. The initiiative know about demons.
In s8 slayers are world wide there are probably other little groups of nerds experimienting now that slayers are widespread and not quiet about it.
 
I love them because --if "real life" is the Big Bad, then it is appropriate to have more real life-like villains. As in, not supernatural, driven by petty human goals (lust, greed, insecurity) and spearheaded by a sociopath. And I think it's brilliant that they manage to be so silly, so ineffectual as "nemesises", yet via the all too "real life" means of a handgun, they actually cause one of the worst horrific losses to the scoobs.

Plus, hello? They trigger the rise of Dark Willow! Aiiiiii!
 
Paramour said:
what happened in Warren's life to make him such a deranged sociopath.
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If I would hazard a guess, I would assume he lost much of the plot when (and I forget her name) his girlfriend dumped him when the robot game home. He didn't seem the most stable then. The whole point of the Trio was wealth and girls. The first girl he goes after was his ex.. he still was pretty 'normal' at that point.. I mean, what man (and be honest!) wouldnt want their ex as a sex slave- or at least thought about it. Just when she died he lost what little sanity he was holding onto.
 
I thought they were quite funny. They had their annoying moments but I think looking back, it was good for Buffy to face a 'pathetic' villian. I think my original fears stemmed from..'what? These are going to be the 'big bad' this year??' Which didn't really happen, they were just devices to show far worse big bads in each and every 'scooby'.
 
Silum said:
I thought they were quite funny. They had their annoying moments but I think looking back, it was good for Buffy to face a 'pathetic' villian. I think my original fears stemmed from..'what? These are going to be the 'big bad' this year??' Which didn't really happen, they were just devices to show far worse big bads in each and every 'scooby'.
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Great point, and plus it's one of the things that you wouldn't expect. Yeah, sure, maybe it's "lame", but they mixed things up on Buffy. Like Joss said in the "Restless" commentary, it was quite unusual for them to have the "big bang" come at the penultimate episode of the season, not the final episode. For them to have "villains" who weren't physical powerful, who didn't necessarily pose a huge threat to the gang (in the way that I demon would) was really fun and different.
 
I love the trio. I thought they were very funny, especially Andrew. I think they should be up in the main characters list because they've been in more episodes than some of the people that are on there Faith and Gwen who I really like and are awesome, but still.
 
The Trio's evil schemes might have been more compelling than the Trio themselves (except maybe for Warren, whose anger commanded my attention on occasion). Jonathan was never a fully-developed character, but he was interesting as a plot device, especially in "Earshot". He was close to being fully-realized in "Superstar", but since he adopted a persona in that episode, that doesn't really count. Andrew didn't really develop as a character until he was no longer a member of the Trio. It took me a while to warm up to him, since he was a former villain, but he was amusing in "The Girl in Question" (and made good points about Angel's and Spike's infatuation with Buffy). As the Trio, they became more interesting as Season Six progressed, but it made sense to break them up, since it would be a bit much if they returned in future seasons (as a Trio, anyway, despite
Warren being back in Season Eight as a skinless madman
.
 
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