Spoiler! The Vampire Diaries (season 4) *Possible Spoilers*

[TotallySpiked]

Is anyone else barely holding it together in anticipation for the return from the holiday break? Just 12 more days and it'll be back.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Rebekah back (I assume) - I really enjoy her character; you kind of never know what she's going to do next. Plus she's emotional enough to have depth, too.
I oddly enjoy Klaus as well...I love Elijah though. Probably too much.
I think the Originals have been a saving grace for the series. I know in season 3 I was getting over the love triangle between Elena, Stefan and Damon. Towards the end I didn't even care who she picked, I just wanted her to pick one. Seems season 4 isn't the end of that either.
What are your thoughts on Elena being a vampire??
Any particular hopes you have for the rest of the season?

 

[TaylorSwift]

Yay a TVD discussion!!

Well, as it can be seen, I am a HUGE Damon/Elena fan and I think that the sire bond doesn't exist...a girl on LJ explained everything so perfectly..how it's all an idea of Klaus/Shane.
Here is the post:
http://arabian.livejournal.com/598250.html

It makes for a very interesting theory, the girl's is a genius 🙂


Now, aside from the obvious Delena romance I wanna see..I LOVE KLAUS!! I seriously love him so I can't wait to see more of him..and also Elijah!
As for Rebekah, I'm not much into her character...it's a back and forth thing for me. But I wanna see how she's gonna interact with Matt..there's something that should be explored.

My thoughts on Elena as a vampire..I think she's doing really good and I don't think she's changed so much, to be honest...she's adjusting, as they all had to do. The fact that Stefan wants to get her back as a human asap just doesn't sit right with me: change should be dealt with, as all difficulties...not just finding the magical solution to problems everytime.

 

[TotallySpiked]

I thought I'd start the discussion so I didn't have to travel abroad 😛

Completely with you on the nonsense that is the sire-bond. When she became a vampire and Damon was being supportive and helping her transition from human etc, Stefan was out trying to 'fix' her with the cure. I was sure that she would end up with Damon based purely on that. Then they're like 'no, it's a sire-bond'. Total slap in the face. I'll give that link and read because I'm also with the thinking (or at least hoping) that's it not true. I honestly feel like it's tainted season 4 for me a little bit because I'm so disheartened about it haha.

Klaus is awesome and I wouldn't mind seeing him and Caroline explored a bit, even though I do enjoy her with Tyler (I like his character), they have chemistry which is great.

At first I was a little disappointed that Elena was so like her human self as a vampire but then I remembered that her alternative is probably be Katherine, which is obviously something we've seen before. I think she needs to either tell Stefan she wants the cure or tell him she doesn't - the choice needs to be hers - not based on the fact he preferred her as a human.

What were your thoughts on Alaric? He was basically my favourite character and I was devastated that he died. Actually, I'm quite certain I spent the better half of the season 3 finale in tears haha. I'm just disappointed that the guy who plays him (having a mind-blank) wanted to leave the show. I only discovered that recently and was up until then hoping for a (somehow) return.

And I totally agree about Matt and Rebekah - there's something there but I think she needs to try a little less and make him come to her. Matt's nice enough, I'm sure he'll come around to it eventually.

How do you feel about Caroline this season? I'm usually a big fan of her, but all of her hatred towards Damon is kind of putting me off.

 

[TaylorSwift]

I honestly feel like it's tainted season 4 for me a little bit because I'm so disheartened about it haha.

You know, I felt exactly like that after 4x07. I mean, we finally have Damon and Elena coming together and Stefan/Caroline just say it's all from the sire bond. And some Stelena fans just laughed saying that Damon and Elena could only be together like this.

I was incredibly pissed off, mostly at the show. To ignore what went on for three seasons and just ruin everything. Then the same girl who wrote that post tried to explain a different point of view and she actually anticipated that the bond is only possible if the girl is in love with the sire before she's turned. That was amazing to discover, it was the confirmation of what we knew all along. And then with this theory, I calmed down a little. I mean, if the sire bond exists it comes from real love so they'll just have to find a way to fix all this; if it doesn't exist than it was all from real feelings...but I wonder, if it doesn't exist..why it doesn't? I mean, surely Elena had feelings for Damon before turning so why wouldn't the bond exist? Maybe because it's so incredibly rare like Damon with Charlotte?? So many questions.

Klaus is awesome and I wouldn't mind seeing him and Caroline explored a bit, even though I do enjoy her with Tyler (I like his character), they have chemistry which is great

Ohhh, I love Klaus and Caroline...I really wish they'd get together somehow. Cause, and I'm sorry cause you like him, I can't stand Tyler and I cant stand Tyler and Car as a couple. They can't bring anything to the relationship, there's no real connection to me...they were so better off as friends. Now the only scenes we get of them is half-naked scenes. Ugh.
Oh, talking about Caroline..I used to love her since season 1 (right after Matt brings her home when she's drunk) but lately, WHOA SO JUDGY! She crossed a line so many times. I mean, I get why she hates Damon but I can't understand why she thinks Stefan has no faults. It can be traced back to her being abused by Damon (IF they had sex when he was compelling her) but doesn't she think Stefan surely did the same in his ripper days? The show has a way of making us think Stefan never did things Damon has done...it really makes me mad.
Anyway, I hope Caroline gets it together and starts being less pushy. I'm not asking her to suddenly like Damon cause what he did really hurt her (of course) but at least recognize he did save their lives multiple times.
(we would have to get into a vampire morals discussion and I'd probably be here for a week LOL)

What were your thoughts on Alaric?

I loved him so much. He was an amazing character and I actually couldn't believe he was gone. I knew he had another show he could have a bigger role on but then it got canceled? I don't really remember. I loved what he had with Damon, what their friendship meant...ah, I wish we had another scene like the scene at the cemetery.

 

[TotallySpiked]

You know, I felt exactly like that after 4x07. I mean, we finally have Damon and Elena coming together and Stefan/Caroline just say it's all from the sire bond. And some Stelena fans just laughed saying that Damon and Elena could only be together like this.

Yep. That part made me so mad. It pretty much felt like the show was mocking Delena's - giving us what we want and then taking it away (kind of) so quickly. I read the link and she has some really well thought out opinions and I bought it 100% haha.

the bond is only possible if the girl is in love with the sire before she's turned.

I take comfort in knowing this. EVEN if the sire bond does exist, it proves without a doubt that she is in love with him. Her emotions may be heightened but they wouldn't erase her feelings for Stefan, just increase them as well. So I couldn't understand why people keep using that excuse to justify why she would be having feelings for Damon.

incredibly rare like Damon with Charlotte?? So many questions.

Exactly. Like, Charlotte obviously had feelings for Damon before she was turned but he didn't really have them for her...so what makes it so special that she got hit with the sire bond? I mean, why didn't Lexie's 'love of her life' get a sire bond as well. It seems awfully convenient if you ask me.

I cant stand Tyler and Car as a couple. They can't bring anything to the relationship, there's no real connection to me...they were so better off as friends.

This I would agree with. I really loved and believed their connection as friends. How she was there for him when he first became a werewolf. They were really touching scenes. It kind of makes me a little annoyed to know that in shows like this boys and girls can't really have a connection like that without the writers feeling the need to make it sexual. I did like them as a couple for a little while but I think the whole Klaus sire bond made me rethink that. Plus Klaus and Caroline kind of match; they're both a little neurotic haha.

The show has a way of making us think Stefan never did things Damon has done...it really makes me mad.

YES. Exactly. Rose-coloured glasses for a large part of the show in relation to the comparison of the two brothers. Everyone is quick to have their say about what Damon has done but dismisses what Stefan has because he's so different now. Yes, he's different but it doesn't erase what he's done in the past. I think a lot of people have difficulty in removing themselves from their ship to see the reality of it.

(we would have to get into a vampire morals discussion and I'd probably be here for a week LOL)

Agreed. I touched on it a little above but I think it would take too much typing to discuss it thoroughly.

I loved what he had with Damon, what their friendship meant...ah, I wish we had another scene like the scene at the cemetery.

That scene had me in tears. A lot. Then when Alaric says something to the effect of 'miss you too, buddy'. I lost it haha.

 

[TaylorSwift]

Exactly. Like, Charlotte obviously had feelings for Damon before she was turned but he didn't really have them for her...so what makes it so special that she got hit with the sire bond? I mean, why didn't Lexie's 'love of her life' get a sire bond as well. It seems awfully convenient if you ask me.

Agreed 100%. I also thought about Lexi and her true love..she turned him so by that logic, every vamp who sired a human companion should have a sire bond. No, cause it's so rare. And this actually fits if the theory of the fake sire bond is correct.

This I would agree with. I really loved and believed their connection as friends. How she was there for him when he first became a werewolf. They were really touching scenes. It kind of makes me a little annoyed to know that in shows like this boys and girls can't really have a connection like that without the writers feeling the need to make it sexual. I did like them as a couple for a little while but I think the whole Klaus sire bond made me rethink that. Plus Klaus and Caroline kind of match; they're both a little neurotic haha.

Yep, it all comes back to sexual innuendos and they just ruined it. Plus, I kinda ship Caroline also with Matt and mostly, Stefan. I think they'd be just perfect together so I'm kinda glad we're seeing more scenes of them.

I really agree on all the other things. I haven't read the episode description for next episode so I don't know what's gonna happen but I just know that Damon and Elena are gonna try and be apart...

Spoiler

and somewhat fail???

 

[Vamp Jenny]

Joining the discussion!!!

Delena: Totally on with it, I hate the sire-bond thingy and I know she loves him and the "sire-bond" just gave her the push to finally admit her feelings and defy everyone else's views.

Stefan: someone slap him please... He's had his chance with Elena and if he can't accept her as she is now, he should just go on with his life. It would probably be worse for her to become human again anyways, because she hasn't been a vampire for that long. Even for a doppelganger, going through that many changes in such a small amount of time would probably screw her up a little....

Klaus: I have mixed feelings for him. Sometimes I can't stand him and sometimes I like him. There are days when he flirts with Caroline [ almost wrote Cordelia XD ] that I just want to tell him to get over the cute girly vampire and make a man (vampire) of himself.. And other days (like the MMF pageant) when I find him being adorable with her.

Jeremy: My poor honey... Loved him from the beginning and now he's become all powerful and "bad" 🙁 I just hope he won't be too hard on Damon now that they're alone at the cabin.

Rebekah: I don't like her much. For an original I think she acts awfully like a child... But I think she's going to be the one to take the cure when they find it. She's probably the one who would benefit from it the most.

I miss Alaric :'( His death had me crying like a baby.
I hope Damon finds a new drinking buddy (possibly Matt from what we saw so far) soon.
For once, I'd like Caroline to choose a guy and stay focused on him instead of trying to seduce every man in the city.

With the last episode we saw, I'm not sure if I'm so excited to see the next one, but I'm still going to watch it and hope for something nice.

 

[TaylorSwift]

YAY...welcome to the discussion! 🙂

Even for a doppelganger, going through that many changes in such a small amount of time would probably screw her up a little....

This. She's doing REALLY GOOD so far and I wish she'd stay a vamp but the shows seems to root for human Elena. Go figure.

My poor honey... Loved him from the beginning and now he's become all powerful and "bad"

I feel so bad for Jeremy...he's always been unlucky in life and all I wanted was for him to get a nice normal girl and have a normal teen life, just like Elena wanted. Now there's this hunter thing that worries me so much. We can't lose Jeremy too.

I hope Damon finds a new drinking buddy (possibly Matt from what we saw so far) soon.
For once, I'd like Caroline to choose a guy and stay focused on him instead of trying to seduce every man in the city.

Uhm, I would also like for Damon to have a friend but not too soon, he still thinks about Alaric so much, I wouldn't want for his memory to be forgotten (by the show, not by Damon)
Have to disagree about Caroline. She usually is in a relationship of one man, she's not seducing anyone. She lightly "flirted" with Klaus but it was either her trying to distract or her being bubbly as she always is. She might have an attraction to him buried but she's not seducing every man in town LOL..she's with Tyler.

 

[Vamp Jenny]

I feel so bad for Jeremy...he's always been unlucky in life and all I wanted was for him to get a nice normal girl and have a normal teen life, just like Elena wanted. Now there's this hunter thing that worries me so much. We can't lose Jeremy too.

They better not kill Jerbear, or I might go mad...

Uhm, I would also like for Damon to have a friend but not too soon, he still thinks about Alaric so much, I wouldn't want for his memory to be forgotten (by the show, not by Damon)

It agree about not too soon, but he's not close to anyone these days and with everyone trying to cut the "sire bond", it seems like they're all against him and he needs someone to talk to. He has Elena, but he needs a drinking buddy, someone like Alaric (or at least similar in his relation to Damon). Otherwise it could turn badly if he once again feels like nobody cares/understand him.

Have to disagree about Caroline. She usually is in a relationship of one man, she's not seducing anyone. She lightly "flirted" with Klaus but it was either her trying to distract or her being bubbly as she always is. She might have an attraction to him buried but she's not seducing every man in town LOL..she's with Tyler.

What bugs me is that since she's become a vampire she's been 2 things: awfully righteous (Stefan 2.0) or flirting with half the male characters. She's been on and off with Matt, Tyler and now Klaus... I just can't help thinking about her speech in S1 when she said that she was never the one. I know Matt's just her friend now, but the kind-of-triangle going on between her and Tyler and Klaus kinda bugs me. I've never been a fan of love triangle (feels like they're everywhere these days) and I'm not a huge fan of righteous vampire barbie anyways so...

But I do sometimes like her with Stefan, though. They're so uptight they would be perfect together (yeah sorry, my sarcastic self had to come out 😉)

Okay, I'm done 😀

 

[TaylorSwift]

It agree about not too soon, but he's not close to anyone these days and with everyone trying to cut the "sire bond", it seems like they're all against him and he needs someone to talk to. He has Elena, but he needs a drinking buddy, someone like Alaric (or at least similar in his relation to Damon). Otherwise it could turn badly if he once again feels like nobody cares/understand him

Absolutely...he needs someone ELSE to talk to...and I read that Matt will actually defend Elena's feelings for Damon (he was by her side constantly in season 3) so this could actually be really good. I really like Matt's character.

What bugs me is that since she's become a vampire she's been 2 things: awfully righteous (Stefan 2.0) or flirting with half the male characters. She's been on and off with Matt, Tyler and now Klaus... I just can't help thinking about her speech in S1 when she said that she was never the one. I know Matt's just her friend now, but the kind-of-triangle going on between her and Tyler and Klaus kinda bugs me. I've never been a fan of love triangle (feels like they're everywhere these days) and I'm not a huge fan of righteous vampire barbie anyways so...

You're completely right about self-righteous, especially during season 3 and this season. They seem to forget they ALL have done despicable things. The only difference with Damon is that he actually pretend he doesn't care and he has that (fake) I-don't-care attitude that everyone (expect Elena) buys and they condemn him.

Well...the on and off thing with Matt was only understandable. And when he refused her cause she was a vamp she didn't throw herself at Tyler right away. They were friends for a long time before that. And there's no Klaus actually. Not yet. It's not a triangle cause at this point Caroline's not even remotely interested in Klaus. She's fascinated by his complex personality but (as much as I would love to) there's not real thing here in current episodes. So, I don't think she flirts with anyone.

 

[BuffyElevated]

WOW... Well I don't have time to get all indepth about every episode or story arc, but I will say I am loving Season 4 so far. I am pissed at the writers for how they're handling the whole Delena thing, but what can you do, right??
I love that Jeremy is finally getting to be something more than a plot device. I am liking this storyline with The Five and I'm really interested to see how Klaus ties in and how Silas fits in as well.
Is it just me, or is Caroline being a super bitch this season? I am so pissed at her for her judgemental attitude toward Elena and especially how she told Stefan about Elena and Damon. It's none of her business!! Bluh... However, I LOVE Caroline with Klaus and I'm just waiting for that to happen.

 

[Vamp Jenny]

Is it just me, or is Caroline being a super bitch this season? I am so pissed at her for her judgemental attitude toward Elena and especially how she told Stefan about Elena and Damon. It's none of her business!! Bluh... However, I LOVE Caroline with Klaus and I'm just waiting for that to happen.

It's not just you. What I hate about her attitude is that she was the first to end up in bed with Damon and she just goes around telling everyone that he's the worst guy and Elena should be with Stefan forever and ever... Someone read twilight one too many times.......

If Klaus can stay cool and make Caroline less b*tchy and self-righteous, I'm on board!

I kinda miss Elijah... He was my favorite original. He had some kind of class the others don't have.

 

[BuffyElevated]

It's not just you. What I hate about her attitude is that she was the first to end up in bed with Damon and she just goes around telling everyone that he's the worst guy and Elena should be with Stefan forever and ever... Someone read twilight one too many times.......

If Klaus can stay cool and make Caroline less b*tchy and self-righteous, I'm on board!

I kinda miss Elijah... He was my favorite original. He had some kind of class the others don't have.

I know! That's what I don't get about Caroline... I guess maybe she holds a big grudge against Damon because he was pretty douchy to her, but he's more than made up for all that by now. You can't hold a grudge forever! And I mean, he KILLED Jeremy, and Jeremy's not even as rude about him as she is.

I love her when she's with Klaus. They both bring out a lot of good out of the other. I actually absolutely hated Klaus until they started showing his soft side with Caroline. The scene where he comes to save her from Tyler's bite I thought "Wow, maybe he's not such an ass after all".

I agree about Elijah. I miss him and wish he'd come back. He's the only one besides Klaus out of the other Originals that I don't wish would fall on the sharp end of a white oak stake.

 

[brinkster130]

Jumping in the fun convo 😀

That theory about there being no sire bond between Elena and Damon is interesting...

I've gotten pretty into TVD in the last year or so too! I'm enjoying this season, but my favorite part by far is the story of The Five and Jeremy being a hunter. So looking forward to how it all unfolds. 🙂

I'm over the love triangle that is Stefan-Elena-Damon. I honestly don't see how Stefan is still hung up on her and I don't know why the writers had to cheapen Elena/Damon with the sire bond twist. I can understand Elena having feelings for both the brothers but I don't get her dragging them along; has she completely forgotten the damage Katherine caused?! 🙄

I really like Caroline, but I totally get how her attitude towards Elena is getting on peoples nerves....it wasn't that long ago that Caroline would have done anything to get a guys attention. I'd really like to see more of a Caroline/Stefan friendship that revolves around something other than venting about Elena.

I really hope Rebekah shakes things up when she returns. Her character has potential to be so much more that Klaus' wimpy kid sister...hopefully she will have a decent plot line.

Bonny hasn't be bugging me much so far, I hope she stays busy with her magic off-screen like she has been.

 

[TotallySpiked]

Oh my! So much has happened since I read this post last. A big YAY that we have more people joining in now. Awesome 😀

I definately am also glad that Jeremy has his own story arc at the moment...it's a pretty complex one and I'm looking forward to seeing how Damon coaches him about his feelings for vampires. The fact that Jeremy is part of the 5 makes me draw a little parallel to the first slayer - lack of human emotion and an infinite striving to get the job done. I'm hoping that Jeremy doesn't end up losing his humanity like the other hunter Connor. Anyone else bothered by the fact that Stefan forced Jeremy to kill a vampire even though he didn't want to? Threatening him and basically disregarding the facts of what Jeremy could become if he kept killing...he seems a bit too desperate to get this cure for Elena.

I haven't read any of the books so I don't really know a) how much of the show comes from them and b) what will happen next, but I'm not yet convinced that the cure exists or that it won't need some hefty magic to come into existence.
We know that Shane is teaching Bonnie Expression (dark magic) without her knowledge and she's completely falling for it so I wouldn't be surprised if Bonnie is a major player towards the end of the season in relation to this 'cure'.

I read online (just on a forum) a theory that Shane is actually Silas or something to that effect. It's slightly plausible. I mean, he is a pretty shady character and knows a lot about this cure, even for a professor in that field. I know he says he has lost his family...but that could just be a spiel to pull on Bonnie's heart strings. There's so many ways this could play out!

There's definately something about Elijah...might be that he just has his head screwed on the right way 😛 that makes me love him. I'm definately hoping to see him back again. I think Klaus and Rebekah will need a 'voice of reason' and I definately think Elijah is the one to do that.

Self-righteous is a perfect description for Caroline. She definately puts Stefan on a pedestal and also herself when it comes to Damon. I would agree that Damon has proved many a time that he is worth forgiving. Caroline pretty much needs to get over it - it's making her character really sour to me. She must have a short memory - does she not remember when Stefan went off the rails and was killing people left right and centre with Klaus. But hey, it's Stefan, no grudges here.

If it's true that Matt defends Elena's feelings for Damon, I might start liking his character again. Maybe it's just because he's one of the few Joe Normals of the show, but I find him to be very bland. But he'll get back into my good books if does that.

I can see a little chemistry between Stefan and Caroline but I'm really hoping the writers don't act on it. They're really good friends and he himself drew comparisons from Caroline to Lexie...I don't really want another great friendship turned relationship fail like her and Tyler.

Just a quick side-note on a thought I literally just had; is Jeremy now a supernatural being with him being part of the 5? Meaning his ring is now useless?

 

[Vamp Jenny]

I'm over the love triangle that is Stefan-Elena-Damon. I honestly don't see how Stefan is still hung up on her and I don't know why the writers had to cheapen Elena/Damon with the sire bond twist. I can understand Elena having feelings for both the brothers but I don't get her dragging them along; has she completely forgotten the damage Katherine caused?! 🙄

Funny thing is that Elena used to tell anyone who would listen that she wasn't like Katherine...

I really like Caroline, but I totally get how her attitude towards Elena is getting on peoples nerves....it wasn't that long ago that Caroline would have done anything to get a guys attention. I'd really like to see more of a Caroline/Stefan friendship that revolves around something other than venting about Elena.

Point about that, is it wrong that I was laughing out loud when Stefan trashed the living room after he learned Damon and Elena did it?

I really hope Rebekah shakes things up when she returns. Her character has potential to be so much more that Klaus' wimpy kid sister...hopefully she will have a decent plot line.

When she's not acting like a child, I agree she has real potential... I just hope she won't only become Matt's girlfriend so that he has one.

Bonny hasn't be bugging me much so far, I hope she stays busy with her magic off-screen like she has been.

I was surprised at my lack of hate for her so far this season XD (except during the Halloween frat party when she broke the intense DE moment.....) If she can stay in the background, I'm fine with it!

 

[Vamp Jenny]

Okay, anyone watched the new episodes?

I'm so glad Elena finally told Damon she loves him!!!!!!!

Stefan & Rebecca, really? No real chemistry, but at least he's getting over Elena...

Poor Jerbear, he's really having it rough these days. I'm just glad he didn't shoot in the heart like Damon asked him to.

I felt like slapping Matt a few times during this episode....

Who else think they're going to turn Bonnie into evil Willow 2.0?

Stefan must have been real happy to keep Elena and Damon away from each other *growl*...... Did I already mention I hate him?

My heart aches for DElena to finally be together. I'm just asking for a kiss, now that they said the L word...

 

[brinkster130]

I swear, sometimes the writers make Elena seem so stupid. How many times is she going to get that surprised look on her face when Stefan says or does something that makes it clear how hurt he is by her relationship with Damon. She couldn't possibly think that Katherine round two would somehow be better than the first time around....🙄🙄🙄 And her "are you trying to punish me" line; I seriously laughed out loud.

Stefan and Rebecca could make for a fun team; I don't think they have great chemistry as a couple but I guess we already know that the two of them wouldn't be more than anything physical....so from that stand point I guess they work.

I wonder who that one guy was working for. My guess is he will somehow be connected to the werewolves somehow.

Who else think they're going to turn Bonnie into evil Willow 2.0?

Ugg, that is exactly what I thought too. I kinda hope they don't; I'm not crazy about that addiction to magic plot. Hopefully the professor is just using it as a way of manipulating Bonnie to continue working with him.

 

[ILLYRIAN]

Anyone got any ideas about what the plot for the end of the season will be?
With this 'cure' stuff going on, how about forcing it on the originals then killing the lot of them. They proved that none of them can be trusted.
Hopefully that sire bond thingy was just a smoke screen. I mean, imagine Caroline and Katherine?

Oh, and just a thought here, does the person who separates Damon and Elena become known as The Deleneator?

 

[Vamp Jenny]

Anyone got any ideas about what the plot for the end of the season will be?
With this 'cure' stuff going on, how about forcing it on the originals then killing the lot of them. They proved that none of them can be trusted.
Hopefully that sire bond thingy was just a smoke screen. I mean, imagine Caroline and Katherine?

Oh, and just a thought here, does the person who separates Damon and Elena become known as The Deleneator?

I'm pretty sure it'll be either the cure or dark Bonnie...........
The cure: they want to make a spin-off about the Originals. Crappy idea if you ask me, but if they want to do it, they need to get the Original family out of Mystic Falls.
Dark Bonnie: we saw her black veins when she revived Jeremy in S3, and it's now official that she is using black magic (expression) and she's barely able to stop. I think Shane will lose "control" on her and she'll go all dark.

The sire bond was a cop-out in DE case. They just tried to put an obstacle on their path and it failed miserably. Now, Stefan uses it as a weapon for his vengeance. Personnally, I find it pathetic...

lol, the Deleneator? XD