The writers' strike is OVER!

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Well,kinda.

At least there's a tentative deal in place...so let's not get TOO excited just yet.

The New York Times is reporting that union members are meeting in Los Angeles and NYC today to discuss the settlement.

Meanwhile,TVGuide.com's Strike Watch blog has more on the pact's specifics:

1. It's a 3 year deal.

2. In the final year of the deal,writers would get 2% of the gross amount of streamed content(compared to a flat $1,200 they'll get in the first 2 years). Like the DGA deal,there's a 17-day window on all streamed content-which means studios can stream it for free.

3. As for internet sales: Writers get .36% of the gross for the first 50,000 downloads of a movie and 100,000 downloads of a TV show. After that,it's .7% of the gross for TV and .65% for movies.

4. Ad-supported streaming of TV shows will net the writers 2% of the distributors' gross receipts one year after the streaming window closes.
 
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Yay! Thanks for posting.
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thanks for the updatage.
As an aspiring screenwriter myself, I've been following this daily. I'm all for the writers getting their due (even if the Oscars must suffer, I mean what a way to get their message across). ...but the big geek in me is starving for the next volume of Heroes, a proper full season of Lost and naturally, the debut of Dollhouse. 😀 Fingers crossed.
 
Misleading title much? 😉
I hope of course that it is over soon and the writers get a fair deal, but I think the AMPTP really want the writers to need it to be over.. Joss posted on United Hollywood about this the other day.

Do not adjust your mind set


Dear Writers,

I have good news. I have lots of good news. In fact, I have way too much good news.

The strike is almost over. A resolution is days away. Weeks. Friday. Valentine's day. Two weeks exactly from whenever my manager/agent/lawyer told me. Yes, after talking to writers and actors all over town, I'm happy to report that the strike is going to end every single day until March. Huzzah! All of this entirely reliable information means that at last the dream of the writing community has been realized: the Oscars will be saved.

Let's step back.

The Oscars seem to be the point of focus for a lot of this speculation. That either they must be preserved, or that the studios feel they must be preserved, and therefore this terrible struggle will end. There is an argument to be made for wanting the show to go on: it showcases the artists with whom we are bonded (there's no award for Best Hiding of Net Profits), and it provides employment and revenue for thousands in the community that has been hit so hard by this action. Having said that, it's a f%$#ing awards show. It's a vanity fair. It's a blip. We're fighting (fighting, remember?) for the future of our union, our profession, our art. If that fight carries us through the Holy Night when Oscar was born, that's just too bad.

And the studios? Well, the Oscars provide advertising revenue and a boost for the films that win. But the studios have shown impressive resolve in ignoring short-term losses in order to destroy us. I don't hear any knees knocking in the Ivory Towers over that night of programming. Hey, I wish I did. I wish, like a lot of people, I could hear anything from in there besides that weird clicking sound Predator makes.

I ask you all to remember: the studios caused an industry-wide shutdown. They made a childishly amateurish show of pretending to negotiate, then retreated into their lairs (yes, they have lairs) to starve us out. They emerged just before Christmas to raise our hopes, then left in a premeditated huff. They Force Majoured with gay abandon, cutting deals and 'trimming the fat' (I've met a couple of 'the fat' on the picket lines. Nice guys.) and made every selfish, counter-intuitively destructive move in the Bully's Bible. They met with the DGA and resolved quickly, as expected.

We have been advised to tone down the anti-studio rhetoric now that a deal might be progressing. Our negotiators have the specific task of forgetting the past and dealing only with the numbers before them. Their ability to do that impresses me greatly, but I maintain that it's their job to treat the studios like business partners and it's our job to remember who they really are. The studios are inefficient, power-hungry, thieving corporate giants who have made the life of the working writer harder from decade to decade. They are run by men so out of touch with basic humanity that they would see Rome burn before they would think about the concept of fair compensation. I maintain that they have never revealed their true agenda in the causing and handling of this strike, and to expect them to now is cock-eyed optimism of the most dangerous kind.

I have heard people both in and out of the industry say, "But that's enough now, right?" I have seen the thing I fear most: that whatever their agenda, they are beating us down. With hope. With rumors. With Time. The mindset seems to be shifting to one of relief and even unspoken gratitude for their return, instead of flaming indignation that they ever (illegally, do you recall?) left the table in the first place. It's the mindset of the victim. The lethargy of limb that strikes the fighter as he unconsciously lets himself lose. The studio strategists have worked this scenario as carefully as they have everything else. It is so crucial that we outside of the talks remember that, and let them know we do.

This is not over. Nor is it close. Until the moment it is over, it can never be close. Because if we see the finish line we will flag and they are absolutely counting on us to do that. In the room, reason. On the streets, on the net, I say reason is for the 'moderates'. Remember what they've done. Remember what they're trying to take from us. FIGHT. FIGHT. FIGHT.

I have been mugged an embarrassing number of times, even for a New Yorker. I've been yelled at and chased, beaten down and kicked, threatened with a gun and the only mugger who still hurts my gut is the one who made me shake his hand. Until there is a deal – the right deal, not the DGA deal – held out, let's keep our hands in our pockets or on our signs. Let's not be victims. Let's never.

In solidarity,
Joss Whedon

United Hollywood: From Joss Whedon: Do Not Adjust Your Mindset
 
wow, i just read that "letter". Joss is such a FABULOUS writer. He is so good at putting thoughts on paper, it gives me chills. Let's hope whatever happens, whenever it happens, that its in the best interest of all those hard workers.
 
An end to this just means it's going to be even harder for aspiring writers to get work.

No one thinks about the little people trying to get work, who depend on pilot season to pay rent, who can't this year.

I do feel bad for whoever wins the writing Oscars this year - they deserve to be able to go up there and accept their award, cause chances are they'll never get another chance to.
 
This damned writer's strike is getting more complicated by the day. I just wish it could all be sorted out (In major favor of the writers, natch) but I totally get what Joss is saying. Actually I usually get what Joss is saying. Like LittleMissLikestoFight said he's a fab writer and I guess he just kinda brainwashes me with whatever opinion he's written down. haha. Either way, this time, I do get it and agree brainwashing or no.

The threat of never-ending reality TV may break me though....... hehe. (I'm already weakened)
 
I, personally, am so darn torn on this issue!

Aspiring writer, here. No big surprise there. Obviously, I want to support the writers. I mean, they get about as much attention as the makeup guy, yet they create the scripts! Call it a God complex if you will, but without folks like me to put the words into the mouths of the characters, you've got no characters and no show. I'm not really sure how to fairly compensate someone for that. I mean, it seems to me that someone who creates a masterpiece like, say, the Buffy episode Passions (David Tyron King) should never have to work again so that he can be completely free to focus on his talent and his art. Since the world doesn't let people rest on their laurels, I guess I'll say that the more common "fair compensation" is in order. Basically, the writers deserve to make a living. And they're not going to be able to do that if they don't get a fair cut of DVD and New Media sales. The executives are being bullies. Part of me is glad that the writers are standing up and saying, "See? We *told* you we were important!"

But did you catch that word "aspiring" at the start of that sentence fragment? You did? Good. From a purely selfish perspective, I've got to say that it's hard to find too much sympathy. I mean, getting paid anything at all for doing what they (presumably) love and what I would gladly sell my soul to do (I'm serious - get me a gig writing for GH or a Joss Whedon show and my soul is yours)? That's pretty awesome. To me, it is unfathomable that they can not only look that gift horse in the mouth, but also hold ransom its food and the food of every other animal in the barn. So many people all over town are out of work -- and not just writers. While I take some small measure of joy in the fact that the agent who fired me shortly before the strike began is probably having a hard time paying her rent right now, I am feeling rather sorry for my husband, (who is supporting me) my Assistant Photographer friend who has to find a cheaper apartment, my Grip friend who worked for free last month just because she was happy to get on set, my Product Placement friend, her Set Designer husband, etc. I mean, the strike isn't good for anybody. I just don't know how to be on board with something that hurts so many people.

I love Joss, but I don't know if I'm on board with continuing the fight. The sooner a deal is struck, the better, at least in my opinion. I don't want to be forced to give up. I don't wanna move back to Ohio and write tech manuals again. But if I can't figure out how to get my foot back in the door here in the next year or so, I'm going to have to do that. The longer the strike lasts, the less time I have to get my foot back in the door. I'm still down here at the bottom scrapping for my chance and from where I stand, prolonging the strike when an agreement could be reached is folly. And the Oscars? They don't even cause a blip on my radar screen.
 
So palabravampiress,
If you do get your foot in the door, and you become a renowned and successful writer will you be happy with what's on offer, even in the years to come ?
 
So palabravampiress,
If you do get your foot in the door, and you become a renowned and successful writer will you be happy with what's on offer, even in the years to come ?

It's a good question and, honestly, one that's really hard to answer. at this juncture, it's really hard for me to imagine not being happy with it. In that scenario, I am deriving my joy from the work I'm doing - writing for TV as opposed to writing tech manuals - instead of from the amount I'm making. I imagine that as long as I've got a roof over my head, food in my belly, and a bit left over for a nest egg, I'll be as pleased as punch. The money isn't why you write; it's the means that allow you to write rather than to waste your time and energy at a dead-end job when you could be writing. So as long as I don't need a day job to make ends meet and can write... well, that's looking peachy keen to me. I have no idea how I'll get to that point, mind you. But if/when I do, I think having the opportunity to do what I love will be just reward. It's more than most writers get, that's for sure.
 
Writers should be negotiating this type of thing as part of their contract, like everyone else has to do. When you're starting out, you don't get as much of the pie. When you're a big whig ass writer, you get more.
 
I don't think it's really fair to expect workers (especially ones starting out, or at the lower end) generally to negotiate their contracts individually. This sort of thing can lead to things like no penalty rates, no leave. The unions have their place, I guess the argument is that they're bad for business, but all this really means is that they fight for more rights and money for the workers. Anyway when it comes to getting a percentage of money made from *their* work, I don't see what the big hold up is.
 
So as long as I don't need a day job to make ends meet and can write... well, that's looking peachy keen to me. I have no idea how I'll get to that point, mind you. But if/when I do, I think having the opportunity to do what I love will be just reward. It's more than most writers get, that's for sure.

No, I don't agree. Writers should be fairly compensated for their work, they're an integral part of the process that culminates in TV and movies for us to watch. Having the opportunity to do what you love is great and satisfying in its way, but that doesn't put food on the table or kids through college. Maybe you, personally, don't need a day job to make ends meet, so you can afford to indulge your passion......there are lots of people out there who don't have that luxury.

Actors are paid for creating their art. Directors are paid for creating their art. Why shouldn't writers be? If it wasn't for them, the actors and directors and countless others wouldn't have anything to develop into an art form!
 
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alexa
Good post. I don't like the argument that 'we should be happy with what we get' when these studios are billionaires.
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tearsong
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No, I don't agree. Writers should be fairly compensated for their work, they're an integral part of the process that culminates in TV and movies for us to watch. Having the opportunity to do what you love is great and satisfying in its way, but that doesn't put food on the table or kids through college. Maybe you, personally, don't need a day job to make ends meet, so you can afford to indulge your passion......there are lots of people out there who don't have that luxury.

Actors are paid for creating their art. Directors are paid for creating their art. Why shouldn't writers be? If it wasn't for them, the actors and directors and countless others wouldn't have anything to develop into an art form!

No, no! I think they should be paid. and fairly. I just think that fairly = having a roof and food in the belly, etc. and that, if I were lucky enough to make writing for TV my job instead of having some other day job, then I think a food-in-the-fridge and roof-over-my-head level of compensation would be enough. Remember; that's quite a lot in this town, especially with so many jobs going to Canada.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be paid. Not at all. I'm just saying that getting to do what they love should be factored into the equation. It's not just about the money.
 
But why should they get the cheap end of the stick when the corporations continue to get richer and not pay them for Internet downloads? They're ONLY asking for what's fair, they weren't asking for huge percentages.

Anyhoo guys, showrunners return to work Monday! TV Guide just reported it. It's on their main page. So it looks like by March most of our favorite shows will be back in production. (Except shows that premiered this year, almost all of them will not return until fall.)
 
No, no! I think they should be paid. and fairly. I just think that fairly = having a roof and food in the belly, etc. and that, if I were lucky enough to make writing for TV my job instead of having some other day job, then I think a food-in-the-fridge and roof-over-my-head level of compensation would be enough. Remember; that's quite a lot in this town, especially with so many jobs going to Canada.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be paid. Not at all. I'm just saying that getting to do what they love should be factored into the equation. It's not just about the money.


I don't know about that. I mean, I agree in some ways. I LOVE my job and as long as it's bringing in any money, that is good.
ON THE OTHER HAND, something is to be said for "becoming great", which I think is the problem. Sure, LOTS of shows get put up for the running and few actually get signed on to show and even fewer make it to season 2 or 4. But, if you DID write a show and it DID get shown and make it into later seasons and people all over are wanting to download it, buy the DVDs, (start up message boards to mingle with the rabid fanbase.) YOU deserve the money for that. Not the studios saying, "Well, we'll take the bulk of THAT money." That's just fair.
It's the compensation for being a GOOD writer and not just Joe-Smoe off the street.
Sure, working on GH or working FOR Joss would be a dream. I'd agree with that. But, if you are good enough to BE a Joss (or heck, for Joss to be a Joss) shouldn't YOU be getting the royalties for that? Heck even MORE than the Networks who did squat for the creation of the work!

Sure, right now, I LOVE painting my little paintings and especially the VooDoo dolls. And it puts money in our pockets and sometimes more than what we expect. And that DOES make me happy beyond belief. So, I do see what you're saying and I agree.
The PROBLEM would come in if some big company (Macintosh, Walmart, Burger King) came in and saw my little VooDoo Doll and decided they could use him for marketing and commercials and sell 10,000 VooDoo Doll toys and were making a bundle off MY work when I was getting tenths of percents of proceeds when they did none of the actual WORK. Now THAT would get me ticked off. And that's why they are ticked off. And I can see that. It would make me crazy to see something I CREATED take off and be getting little to NONE of the proceeds from it.

And it's just sickening to me to think that we pay actors millions for simply appearing in TV shows and movies, we pay athletes millions to even BE on a team whether they play every game or not. But, the writers of the shows and movies that everyone enjoys at one time or another in their lives have to fight for part of the proceeds for the worlds they create.

The networks will never NOT NEED writers. Everyone is getting sick of reality shows and very few survive long. American Idol, Survivor, Dancing with the Stars....I can think of only those three that really made it big. The rest make ratings go down the toilet. They'll still need writers, and they'll still get FAT CHUNKS of the proceeds from the shows. Profiting slightly less on the backs of the writers who do the work...seems like something worth fighting for.
 
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ckg927
Let's not forget The Amazing Race as a good "reality" show...it's not exactly chopped liver,ya know!
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tearsong
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No, no! I think they should be paid. and fairly. I just think that fairly = having a roof and food in the belly, etc. and that, if I were lucky enough to make writing for TV my job instead of having some other day job, then I think a food-in-the-fridge and roof-over-my-head level of compensation would be enough. Remember; that's quite a lot in this town, especially with so many jobs going to Canada.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be paid. Not at all. I'm just saying that getting to do what they love should be factored into the equation. It's not just about the money.

I understand your point, I do. You're saying that on top of the satisfaction of getting to do what you love for a living, money is icing on the cake. They're just asking for a piece with more icing (maybe the corner...or the side), that's all. I think that's fair. Like Dlou said, the studios make the bulk of the money from alternative media outlets. Some of that money should go to the people without whom there'd be nothing for the studios to distribute. I'm not saying they should ALL be compensated on the level that a person like Joss is.....not all writers have reached that height.

I do agree that a strike in one segment of the industry adversely affects the others; set designers, camera people, caterers, etc. and that's not good. They should put an end to this as quickly as they can, but I wouldn't want to see the Writer's Guild cave on any of their points just because the studios are throwing them a bone.
 
SiT....You're right!

And the cast of Friends didn't end up making $10 zillion an episode by saying, "Oh, pay me what ever you think is fair". They did it by saying, "Pay us more or we walk". And they got it.
All in all it's the network and studios fault that the "lower" members of the cast and crew are out of work. They could have actually been making deals all this time. But, they wanted to wait it out.

And in the end, it makes it BETTER for writers trying to make it because when you do make something brilliant that everyone MUST have all 11 seasons of (and we all know you will) you will get reimbursed for that like you should!
Joss had no crystal ball in 1997 to say, "Well, if this turns into an American landmark, I'd like it put in the contract that when people HAVE to have all seasons on DVD and they invent these things called iPods and people can download the shows to this nifty device that I get paid X for it." There is no way to put everything in your contract and tell what all things you'll need.

And the networks KNOW this, they just want to put it off. It's just a sneaky way to commit a form of plagiarism. They're taking someone else's work, and although admitting in the format that so and so wrote it, they are not the ones profitting from it.

The shows that stink, well, those writers probably won't make a lot from DVD and downloads anyway. But, the writers that create wonderful things, will be. And GREAT shows that still got canceled before they should be (Firefly) the writers will still get some decent proceeds off of those sales for their amazing work. I'll be a stuck PIG before I'll agree that FOX should get the bulk (or all) of the profits from the sales for the Firefly DVDs and/or downloads. Why? Because they were the nimrods who butchered it, aired it and then canceled it?
 
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