Thoughts/Feelings about Season 8

Tranquillity

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Okay, so we're 26 issues into season 8 with #27 just around the corner. So, what are your overall thoughts about Buffy's continuation in comic form? What have you loved? What have you been diasappointed with? What do you want to see happen next?
 
Well I only have the arc "The Long Way Home" and honestly I felt bored reading it and I don;t but for me comics are confusing cause it's like first your here then there and it just feels unorginzed for me.
 
Likes:

- I like how Tara's death is acknowledged as Willow's punishment for bringing Buffy back. "Magic has consequences." And Willow lost her girlfriend because she brought Buffy back.

- I'm so glad that Buffy isn't dating someone called the Immortal, first of all, the Immortal is so cheesy as a name and character, and second of all, there's no way Buffy would go partying and leave the mess she'd caused to her friends to take care of.

- The Buffy/Xander strong friendship started from S7 and kept going in S8. I love that.

- I like how Buffy's choice to turn the potentials into slayers backfired and now Buffy has to deal with it.

- I love Willow mentioning that she and Tara were like Dawn's parents, because they really were in S6.

- The fact that Willow and Xander were the ones taking care of Dawn in S7 while Buffy was too busy with her responsibilities is played out in S8 as well, but at least it won't be ignored in this season like it was in S7.

- I'm glad Buffy finally went through a healthy sexual experience in which she parted with Satsu on good terms, first time Buffy's relationship with someone ends with understanding and smiles.

- I can watch Buffy vs Dracula and listen to Xander's butt-monkey speech with a smile, knowing that he'll stand up to Dracula and shuts him up eventually.


Dislikes

- I can't enjoy Warren's death like I used to.

- I was happy with the send off of Riley's character, and I'm scared that they'll ruin him for me. I love Riley.
 
Likes: No future for you arc was ok(for a comic)
Dislikes: the rest of it.

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Totally agree it feels too big in scale and unlike the show, as the main reasons the comic ain't doing it for me. 🙂
 
I've enjoyed the season 8 comics every bit as much as a season of the TV series.

I love the new large scale and the new challenges it introduces for Buffy & friends; the idea of the Slayer Army; the mystery surrounding Twilight, the big bad, and the fact that after 26 issues we still have no clue who he is; Buffy's relationship with Satsu; the Fray crossover and the can(s) of worms it opened; what they've done with the Andrew character; the overall quality of writing and art; and just the fact that Buffy's story is continuing on.

I haven't really hated anything; I've been indifferent to some things. I think it was a mistake to spend more than half a year on one-shot issues that didn't really move the plot that much. But starting with next Wednesday's issue, things will get pretty intense right through the end of the season.

I'm a person who a) is devoted to the TV series, and b) doesn't like change. But I just love season 8. It might help that I was already into comics, but I know quite a few people who never read a comic book until season 8 came along, and are now addicted.
 
Dislike:

-The if-we-can-draw-it-it-shall-happen mentality of the comic. It's too big, too over-the-top. It's just too much. The Castle I could accept buy pretty much everything after that is way beyond the suspension of belief. I think instead of making the comic better, as Joss said it would, it has made the comic even less believable and discedited its place in canon.

-Twilight. I'm sick of it at this stage. Maybe I'll feel different after the reveal but right now I am completely over it. He's not interesting, rehashing the Ininiative storyline and the Warren storyline were rather underwhelming for me and I keep waiting for it to be interesting...and it hasn't happened yet. Also, it is clear that the real story of this season is with Buffy and her friends and what has happened in their relationships. They keep skimming the topic and then pulling away. I would much rather read the Scoobies in turmoil then Twilight being so boring that it apparently qualifies him as evil.

-The disappionting Fray arc. It had the potential to be amazing and it was anything but. A crossocer of that magnitude dieserved more.

-The complete lake of acknowledgement of what is going on in L.A. i.e. with Angel and Spike. I know that it is all business that is hampering this but it just seems wrong and, I don't know, sloppy? to not mention even, that L.A. went to Hell. There were Slayers there surely with their intel the Scoobies would have known something. Simply ignoring it is a bad move in my book.

-The events of Empty Places doesn't seem to have been addressed. There is huge fallout for this and we need to see it. Maybe it happened in the interim between Chosen and Issue 1 but we still need to know what happened because it completely changed the whole dynamic of the Scoobies.

Likes:

-The dialogue. There have been several instances where the writing has been so right and just so Buffy that I have really felt like I had the show back. It almosts makes up for the sucky parts.

-The Faith/Giles/Gigi arc. I LOVED this. It so on point and pitch perfect. Easliy the most enjoyable part of season 8.

-Buffy. I really like how she is being portrayed in the comics. I think it is very much true to the character (Satsu aside...I'm not as dogged about this as I was but I still kinda feel it was just thrown in there) and like the Buffy we knew.

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Wow I really though I would have liked more than disliked. In saying all of that though, I'll still keep buying and reading the comics. I want to see how it ends.
 
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BillyidolwannaB
Totally Agree with your 1st point.
Tranquillity
Tranquillity
agree 100% - you saved me having to post an answer.
It's amazing how the things other people consider flaws are the things I like most about season 8.

Speaking for myself, the things I've listed above are things I dislike but that doesn't necessarily make them flaws. If we were to do this for every season I would have alot of things I wasn't crazy about in them too. That doesn't mean I don't frakking adore the show though.
 
Are the Season 8 comics worth it for a major Buffy fan, but someone who has never really read a comic?
 
Are the Season 8 comics worth it for a major Buffy fan, but someone who has never really read a comic?

I would always say yes to this question. Even though I'm not down with everything that is happening, it's still Buffy, ya know? I'll take it anyway I can get it.
 
What I love about S8:

The mysteries. I love that it's a whole big mystery with so many clues that do not tell you exactly what the hell is happening, why the hell Willow is doing this, why the hell Buffy turned out like this, is there more to Dawn's story with Kenny? And so on. Some fans can't be patient enough, I don't blame them, the slow pace in the comic medium is killing me as well, especially that we'll get the answers to all our questions in 2010. I think I'm more patient than most.

I love the main storyline. That Buffy's decision to make all potentials slayers had changed the world beyond repair. That Buffy must face the consequences of her decision, the big pressure of taking care of way more girls than the ones she had in S7, the pressure of having the government after her accusing her of being a terrorist who blew up a whole town, the pressure of hiding from society and real life, the pressure of not having a warm embrace to cuddle to at night, all that had driven the poor girl to become the woman you see in S8.

I love that they continued and blossomed some things we saw in S7: Buffy's "I'm the law" attitude, Buffy and Xander's friendship, Buffy and Giles' detachment, whatever some say, I can see continuity very clearly.

I love that S8 made me love Faith. I never cared about her character, but S8 made me more interested in her. If there was no S8, I'd never have appreciated the character Faith.

I love that Buffy and Giles have issues with each other, because I HATED the so-called patching things up in Chosen. "What do you think?" "Do you wanna hear my opinion?" "I wanna hear all your opinions." THAT'S the patching up a great relationship Buffy/Giles deserves? Meh. Hopefully S8 will do a much better job.

While it's not everybody's favorite, Wolves at the Gate was mine. It was a typical TV Buffy comedy. I really enjoyed the Dracula/Xander story, and I know many who think it's farce and don't believe it'll ever happen. But I think it can be believable, just don't take Andrew's explanation to heart. It's up to us how Dracula became obsessed with Xander. Xander, on the other hand, doesn't seem to like Dracula much, which is a given, he wasn't really Xander in those months he stayed with Dracula, now was he?

While I had my objections with Buffy/Satsu, I can see now that's also not a big deal. I believe it's something Buffy will do. Like I said, the girl wants a warm embrace to cuddle to at night, and she's been moaning about not having sex from #1. She's been having sex dreams about Xander, for God's sake. Well, he's the only man in the castle. And she can't ask him to have a one night stand, because he's her best friend and she doesn't wanna wreck that by making it complicated, plus she knows about his feelings for Renee. Knowing that Satsu loves her and admires her made Buffy feel loved, she rejected Satsu at the beginning, then she was reluctant. She wanted the warm embrace. She explained to Satsu that she's not gay, she's not looking for a relationship, and Satsu still accepted to sleep with her.

I love that Buffy's healthiest sexual expreience/relationship was with another slayer. It started with understanding and support from both girls and it ended with understanding and support from both girls. It was the first time Buffy actually ends a sexual experience with a smile, not just from her, also from Satsu. Both girls knew what it was about, knew it could never lead to anything serious, but they still enjoyed their time. I don't think Satsu hated Buffy or regretted what happened. She knew what she was getting herself into and she was okay with it.

I love that S8 makes me think: For example you have Xander/Dracula, fans have been pondering about how it works. I found a believable version that I'll share: Dracula had kidnapped Xander and put him under his thrall (Like Buffy vs. Dracula) Xander stayed with Dracula for months (because he was under Dracula's thrall), in which Dracula grew attached to him, until Buffy saved Xander. When Dracula was needed, notice how Xander looked annoyed and upset, he didn't want to interact with Dracula again. He brought Renee with him to keep him on his feet, sadly he slips one time after another at the presence of Dracula until Renee snaps him out of it. From the looks of it, Xander doesn't seem to care much about Dracula while Dracula is obviously very attached to Xander. Even the last scene between them shows how much Xander resents Dracula's way of treating him, like a slave/manservant. In fact, the last scene is the best resolution to Xander's speech in Buffy vs Dracula where Xander got to stand up to Dracula, a great ending to his Butt-Monkey arc with Dracula.

The "gay love" here is obviously one sided: from Dracula's side. Xander, as it shown in Wolves at the Gate, isn't that interested in Dracula at all. Only went to him when the mission needed him. That's how I've been seeing this arc. And it sounds pretty much so canon to me and not that hard to picture. But I can see why fans are having a hard time with it: they actually believed Andrew's tale while there's so much evidence that Andrew doesn't know jack about the real story.

I love that S8 inspired me to write my first ever Spuffy fic. I also love that it brought new ideas and as well as new fics to read. Even the Crack fics. *winks*

So, yeah, I love S8 with all its mysteries and character-development and character-detachment. And I'm waiting for Buffy's fall, patiently.


-The events of Empty Places doesn't seem to have been addressed. There is huge fallout for this and we need to see it. Maybe it happened in the interim between Chosen and Issue 1 but we still need to know what happened because it completely changed the whole dynamic of the Scoobies.

On this front, I think you'll be disappointed. The writers seem to think that what happened at Empty Places wasn't a big deal, and was dealt with in S7 -where? I have no idea.

S8 opens up with Buffy and Xander being so close -something we've seen in S7. So, I guess Empty Places didn't really affect their relationship. Buffy understands why they'd "fired" her, and they understand that what they did was over the top.
 
On this front, I think you'll be disappointed. The writers seem to think that what happened at Empty Places wasn't a big deal, and was dealt with in S7 -where? I have no idea.

True... in season 8, even Rona has been given a commander position in Buffy's army. Looks like everyone made their peace sometime between seasons 7 and 8.

That's not to say there's no lingering resentment there. The strained feelings between Buffy and Giles, Faith, Dawn, and Kennedy may have been aggravated by those memories. Buffy also seems to be a bit more touchy than before about anyone (even her close friends) questioning her orders or judgment.
 
I've read them all, and the only one's I have liked are those written by Brian K.Vaughan. It's funny how someone who is not connected to the BuffyVerse has managed to grasp the characters so well. I loved his take on Faith, and having Giles with her is a nice idea.
The rest of the issues are a real struggle. Mainly because I think Joss' has lost the voice of the characters. And is trying to create epic, over the top storylines to try and cover it. The occasional hint of funny dialogue, isn't enough to sway me into believing that these are the characters I knew.
I am a big old comic book geek, and Joss' really isn't a great comic book writer. He can write great dialogue, but he rarely manages a great storyline. Take X-men, very funny, he writes a great Kitty Pride, but the stories were a bit of a mess. The same with Runaways, but the dialogue was spot on.
I just think he needs to remember his characters. There is still sometime, I hope it will improve. If not, Brian K. Vaughan should write season 9. 🙂
 
Likes: The Giles/Faith arc (it is brilliant).

The dialogue and interactions between the main characters.

The consequences to the turning of the Potentials into Slayers.

Dislikes: That the knowledge of vampires and slayers is becoming so widespread throughout the world. It is strange that after millions of years of paranormal activity, and people turning their heads from it, that a character like Harmony can have a reality tv show where she kills a slayer and the general public doesn't think it's unbelievable.

I know I'm impatient but we've been waiting over two years to wrap up the Season 8 arc and I feel like the story is going down rabbit trails. I want to find out who Twilight is and finish up this arc.

I agree with the people who have complained that the issues between the gang and Giles are not being explored enough.

Willow delving into the black arts again (haven't we already been down that road?)

I agree with Kean about the Fray arc being disappointing.

The character's need the actors, too often it just doesn't seem like the actual characters talking. Plus the horrible artwork (with the exception of Jo Chen) doesn't help. Why couldn't we get better artwork? I thought the artwork for Astonishing X-Men and the Serenity comics was amazing.
 
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BillyidolwannaB
Harmony. Kills. Slayer. Reality. TV show??? Omfg. Thats so lame!
I've hated: Buffy sleeping with a girl out of no where, which is something that wouldn't of happened on the show. It felt unnatural. I haven't enjoyed the comics much since issue 12 because of that forced fan fiction moment. I'm still trying to find the point to that mess. Then there's mecha Dawn, the fact the slayers have a submarine, and have infinite money.

The world has become too big, and very unrelateable. I hate that vampires are in and slayers are out. They haven't explained that very well and it really doesn't make any sense. Harmony bites Andy Dick and now vampires are popular? Huh?

Didn't like the tree creatures either. Also, Whedon messed up with Warren being alive and the First Evil being able to turn into him. How could Whedon forget that? I wonder if he is just playing and having fun with the comics and not being serious about them. Sick of Andrew too while I'm at it.

What I've liked: The Chain, Anywhere But Here, A Beautiful Sunset. Faiths arc worked well and felt like TV Buffy as well. Also I found After These Messages to be fun.
 
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BillyidolwannaB
Submarines? Lol that sounds so silly
Odd, how different people can look at the same thing and see vastly different things.

It's one of my half-dozen favorite comics series of all time.
 
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