Thoughts on 'Dead Things'

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I haven't been able to watch BTVS at such a quick pace lately, so it might take me a month or two to finish the series if I'm unlucky. One nice thing about not hurrying through it all, though, is that I'm able to appreciate and contemplate each episode much more than I did when I was watching entire seasons within the span of a week or two.

'Dead Things' was so beautiful-yet-disturbing that I've watched it a few times in a row. It definitely touched me, and I'm still thinking about it before I continue on with the rest of the season. I apologize in advance if there are any grammatical issues with this post, or inconsistences with tenses. I just wanted to get my thoughts down quickly.

First things first: Spuffy. Do I hate their relationship, or do I love it? It's hard to say. Everyone knows I'm a Spike fanatic, but I just don't know if he and Buffy are the greatest idea. They're certainly hot together, and the conversations they have are compelling. But are they in love with each other? I don't know. In my opinion, they both feel a kind of love for each other, but I find myself doubting that it is romantic at its core.

...And then I see some things, and I'm sure they're star-crossed lovers or something. The scene where Spike's lighting a cigarette and crumbling something into a glass of blood (at least, that's what it looks like he's doing), and he senses Buffy outside his crypt was intense enough that it brought tears to my eyes. The juxtaposition of "Out Of This World" and the imagery of him and her being separated by the heavy crypt doors made me think they desperately needed and wanted each other, in far more than a sexual sense. I felt the same way during Buffy's dream sequence, when Spike arrives to comfort Buffy in her bed and they begin to make love like a "normal" couple...before it all goes to hell, of course, and she starts staking people in her dreams.

When he let her beat him up after telling her she would be wrong to go to the police, I felt like a turning point had just occurred. To me, her eyes said it all: She loves him - in which way, I'm still not absolutely sure - but she is deeply upset that she does. When she cried in Tara's lap, her crisis was existential and palpable. Dawn feels abandoned, and so she's going through a crisis also.

(The sex scene at the Bronze was hot because of the dialogue, but it was so unrealistic. You see Spike lifting Buffy's skirt up, and suddenly he's inside her? It makes no sense. There are no zippers or buckles being undone, at least that I can hear, and that bothered me.)

The Trio remind me of the current trend I've seen of young men who call themselves "nice guys" while hating women. They think that women are playthings, and their lack of confidence - combined with their misogyny, heavy or light - leads them to do some pretty disgusting things. The Trio supposed to be a mundane "Big Bad", but I see them as incredibly evil due to the fact that there are many rape apologists in this world, and that's a lot scarier than fictional demons are.

Seeing Willow and Tara outside the magic shop was sad. Having known a fair share of addicts in my lifetime, I find Willow's magic "addiction", along with Amy's enabling, to be a realistic use of metaphor. I understand why Tara left Willow, because Willow hurt a lot of people through her misuse of magic.

This episode actually felt much more disjointed than other BTVS episodes. A lot took place, but it didn't "flow" as well as it could have. Night and day seemed to collide with one another, for example.

Overall, though, I loved this episode, as I'm sure you can tell. A lot of ground was covered. I think it's going to be a turning point.

Agree with my ideas? Disagree with them? I'll check back when I get home from work this evening.
 
Re-reading this upon arriving home, I'm realizing I could have been clearer about some points if I had had more time.
 
I haven't watched this episode in a while, but I just remember that I really disliked the sex scene at the Bronze.

Warren is a jerk.
 
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A TOTAL jerk. One thing that bothered me was hearing Jonathan and Andrew say, "She's your ex? Gross!" As if rape was somehow only bad if it was done to one's ex.
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The sex scene at the Bronze was hot because of the dialogue

I think that dialog is the most important and interesting part of that scene. Mostly this line:

That's not your world. You belong in the shadows...with me.

Such an innocent, little line and yet I think that this is the single most important thing Spike says in this entire season. Why? Because it reveals his motives.That's not your world? What does that even mean? What world? Well, the world of the living obviously. And how can Buffy even belong in the shadows, as in you know, not in the sunlight? Only as a vampire. Now, add the big pile of visual metaphors and what Buffy says about not feeling alive and it becomes abundantly clear that Spike's goal in season 6 is to turn Buffy into a vampire, oh like he turned his own mother, the once most important woman in his life.

Here's something Spike doesn't know. Aside from the usual, probably instinctual detestation of vampires as a slayer Buffy has something special, a certain experience. That is, Buffy already was a vampire, in "Nightmares", she understands how it feels and what it means to be one, truly dead. Therefore she will never decide to become one, ever, ever OK, not a chance. This is an irreconcilable difference and also the moment when Spike/Buffy truly dies. It's a freaking killing blow.

The saddest part? Nobody noticed because oh mi god public sex!
 
Very interesting interpretation! I had never thought that "You belong in the shadows, with me." was meant to be taken literally. It seems metaphorical to me, and not at all "obviously" literal.

I've thought about Spike siring Buffy, though. Spuffy could only exist as an "eternal love" if he did that to her, and she probably wouldn't allow it (due to things like what you mentioned, EVIL UU).

One of the things I love about posting here is the variety of interpretation.
 
I don't think that Spike was so much wanting to turn Buffy as he was just wanting her to accept him as her protector and defender. Remember, Spike is at his best when he's protecting someone he cares about, and the more protecting that they need, the better he likes it. If Dru had been sane, I have little doubt that he would have never put up with her crap for the better part of a century. His first act to get Buffy's approval and gratitude was protecting her and "little sis" from Glory, and his first major alliance with Buffy and her friends was protecting Dawn and, of course, Buffy. I wouldn't even be surprised if at least part of his time spent smoking under that tree in Buffy's front yard was justified by him as "guarding" her from all of the bad things that lurked around in the dark.

He was in his glory during the summer after Season 5, protecting the Scoobies on patrol, Dawn through the night, and dreaming each night about how he could have saved Buffy. Even in Season 7, it seems that his mission in unlife is protecting his Slayer, watching her back on patrol, defending her when everyone else mutinies, encouraging her to carry on the good fight. Buffy's word is Spike's law, and her welfare is his main concern. He even sacrifices himself in the hellmouth to protect her, and winds up saving the world by doing it. Spike has a definite mother hen complex, which we finally see diminishing somewhat in Season 5 of "Angel," mainly because no one really needs his protection there. But he's back in business at the end of Season 8, charging in with his bug ship to rescue Buffy and her gang once more.

(Boy, I drifted away from "Dead Things" and Season 6 there, didn't I?)

My point is, wanting Buffy in the shadows with him is just Spike's way of saying, "You belong where I can protect you," which is exactly what he honestly believes that he's doing, even in their destructive sexual relationship. He's giving Buffy an outlet for her frustration, and a target to hit when the hell that her world has become closes in on her. (and note, this is SPIKE'S opinion of what he's doing, not necessarily mine)

Spike has a mother hen complex, probably dating all the way back to when human William took care of his ill mother, so strong that his first action upon becoming a vampire was to heal her by tuning her into a vampire.
 
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I love your viewpoint. Spike is very much a protector of others.
Am I the only one that say that line very literally. No underlining cryptic message, just Spike saying that Buffy doesn't belong to the land of the living because she doesn't, because she died and that changed her.
 
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Nice!
My interpretation is this: "There is no black and there is no white. There's only gray. Shadows are different shades of grey. You are a dark person despite fighting evil, and you should admit to your darkness and embrace it. Let's be dark and morally grey together. I love you."

Seriously, though, I am enjoying everyone else's differing views on this!
 
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